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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/18/2012 5:16:42 AM

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That was sort of my point.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/18/2012 5:26:57 AM

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it is not only a matter of freedom of science it is also a matter of responsibility in science.
a lesson for some to learn from Heisenberg - sometimes responsible research is no research at all
thus Hitler did not get the atomic bomb ...

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/18/2012 6:10:15 AM

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Hitler was attempting to get the bomb. He had some of his best people working on it and his delivery systems would have been vastly superior to ours with the V1 and V2 versus our bombers.

We just lucked out (and executed some pretty nifty acts of sabotage) and got it first.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/18/2012 9:42:43 AM

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Italy changing sides buggered up his uranium supply as well. That may well have been a bigger factor than the spook stuff.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 1:39:27 PM

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Humanity meets those criterion...

Obviously.

But it is rare that diseases cure previous instances of themselves.

Health,
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its a well known fact that vaccines are worthless and people build up their own immunities without them.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 1:42:24 PM

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it is not only a matter of freedom of science it is also a matter of responsibility in science.
a lesson for some to learn from Heisenberg - sometimes responsible research is no research at all
thus Hitler did not get the atomic bomb ...

had the equivalent of the b38 that he could have bombed the US from germany only weeks from production.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 1:43:50 PM

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it is not only a matter of freedom of science it is also a matter of responsibility in science.
a lesson for some to learn from Heisenberg - sometimes responsible research is no research at all
thus Hitler did not get the atomic bomb ...

thats the problem. rther than let it mutate on its own and see where it goes, create an engineered of of mutation that likely would never have happened in nature.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 1:57:40 PM

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it is not only a matter of freedom of science it is also a matter of responsibility in science.
a lesson for some to learn from Heisenberg - sometimes responsible research is no research at all
thus Hitler did not get the atomic bomb ...

had the equivalent of the b38 that he could have bombed the US from germany only weeks from production.

Heisenberg was uncertain of that, oder?

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 2:38:17 PM

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Why not consider how many antibiotic resistant anthrax strains have been developed, OR the fact that the Soviet Union was working on more virulent strains of Small Pox and those strains still exist.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 5:22:50 PM

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Why not consider how many antibiotic resistant anthrax strains have been developed, OR the fact that the Soviet Union was working on more virulent strains of Small Pox and those strains still exist.

Anthrax is not very effective. It only takes the postal services to stop functioning to stop any anthrax epidemic.

Small pox is easily vaccinated against and plenty of people survive infection.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 5:53:38 PM

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Why not consider how many antibiotic resistant anthrax strains have been developed, OR the fact that the Soviet Union was working on more virulent strains of Small Pox and those strains still exist.

Anthrax is not very effective. It only takes the postal services to stop functioning to stop any anthrax epidemic.

Small pox is easily vaccinated against and plenty of people survive infection.

Yep.
On the other hand, we still put huge numbers of Turkeys, Chickens, Pigs, or Cows in tiny enclosures where they mix and mutate germs, while giving them enough antibiotics in their feed to make sure the germs become immune to everything we can throw at em...
Maybe requiring that animals have enough space to walk while growing would do more to protect us from a pandemic than worrying about a lab?

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 6:18:08 PM

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I'm especially interested in hearing from EU-ers on this:

http://www.cafothebook.org/howitshouldbe.htm

The European Union currently leads the world in CAFO reforms. These changes are rooted in a seminal report produced in 1997 by the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), an independent advisory body established by the British government over a decade earlier. The FAWC adopted the principles from the earlier 1965 Brambell Committee Report known as “The Five Freedoms.”

These essential principles have become the guidelines and codes of practice for various animal rights, animal welfare, and humane organizations around the world. The Five Freedoms include:

1. Freedom from Hunger and Thirst—by ready access to fresh water and a diet to maintain full health and vigor.
2. Freedom from Discomfort—by providing an appropriate environment including shelter and a comfortable resting area.
3. Freedom from Pain, Injury, or Disease—by prevention or rapid diagnosis and treatment.
4. Freedom to Express Normal Behavior—by providing sufficient space, proper facilities, and company of the animals’ own kind.
5. Freedom from Fear and Distress—by ensuring conditions and treatment that avoid mental suffering.

The European Union has agreed to phase out the most egregious confinement techniques—battery cages (for laying hens) and gestation crates (for pregnant sows)—by 2012. Some countries within the European Union are also adopting measures to make slaughtering more humane. Moving away from electrical stunning and toward gas-based stunning on chicken disassembly lines is one example. In 1999 Denmark, a leading hog producing nation, placed strict regulations on antibiotic medicines in the swine industry.

Requiring a CAFO to become less pharmaceutically dependent imposes limits on the size and scale of confinement operations. This is essential for a country like Denmark, with a finite land area for manure application. The antibiotic regulations were also intended to prolong the effectiveness of these medicines as human safeguards

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/24/2012 8:43:49 PM

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Update

Ron Fouchier was on dutch television 21-2-2012

http://dewerelddraaitdoor.vara.nl/media/87649

for dutch only hahahahahah

Shortly what he said. It's not a deadly virus he mutated, but one that can infect mammals.
Yes it's well protected like any good lab and its not labeled as the flu, so you would have to take the complete inventory. That means you need a truck to steal it. There is only 15 other scientists in the world capable of this kind of R&D.
He is doing this research because the W.H.O. and the USA asked him to do so.
There is already a vaccin that's effective.
And the goal of the research is to be able to detect a mutation in nature early on, so you can contain the spread. So you dont even need a vaccin.
Publication of the research was held back by UN or some not by Ron, but is now released.

So the question is do you wanna be ahead of it or lack behind.
There is already a cure for AIDS, but the pharmaceutical industry is doing everything to hold research back.
Otherwise they won't sell their pills. They don't want to cure it. They want to keep aids-patients sick and alive.
More profit for them, aint that a bitch.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/25/2012 2:55:17 AM

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Yeah, I did a little bit of reading on it, because I tend to panic about these things at 2 AM when I have nothing else to fill my brain, and I guess I do understand. We (where I am, U.S.) may want the knowledge to be limited because of possible terrorist threat. But worldwide, WHO felt it should be shared so that we can stay ahead of whatever mutations may come down the pike. More brains working on solving the problem may lead to a solution more quickly than if the information is contained. It's a matter of which is the greater threat. Is that about right?

If I have that right, sigh....I hate it, but I guess I understand it. I kind of still don't see why the information can't be provided selectively instead of being open to all.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/25/2012 7:18:48 PM

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Hell, the same kinds of labs do research on Lassa virus, Ebola, etc. Lassa is lethal as all hell, in very small amounts. And an airborne mutation of Ebola got loose in a monkey lab in Reston, VA back in the '90s, IIRC. Fortunately it was lethal to the monkeys but not to the humans, especially for a few of the cleanup crew that contracted it.

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RE: Doomsday virus - 2/25/2012 7:20:57 PM

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You'll be thankful for this virus when the aliens land and want to take over earth.

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