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xssve -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/19/2012 9:02:38 AM)

No, I think it's largely a matter of preference, I don't think one can substitute for the other, although they can and do overlap a great deal - I see plenty of masochistic bottoms that aren't into psychological dominance at all, and plenty of professed slaves who aren't into pain.

Compromises are possible I imagine, most people seem to be open to either/or both to varying degrees, but for the most part I don't think the Two things are interchangeable, strictly speaking.




sheisreeds -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/19/2012 9:17:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Of course, as I think on this more, perhaps we are not so much a community as a loose coalition of somewhat like-minded thinkers. Perhaps I am expecting too much to expect the notion of "community" around something as broad as BDSM?

Eh, for me it's a pretty real community. As I've gotten older I've thought a lot about maintaining community. I've often wondered how I would survive when I got to be my parents age since they have always had their church, and I don't got one of those. I've come to realize that the BDSM community fulfills all the same things as church does for my family. My friends and I vary a lot in terms of how BDSM manifests in our lives, but regardless it is a core component of our lives, our relationships, and how we experience growth.

My dynamic with my partner has always been an oddball, until recently there were NO other couples like us. The school yard fighting dynamic, blowing spitballs on your crush in 6th grade mentality didn't make a lot of sense to a lot of our friends. Though we were able to relate philosophically. We approached this BDSM thing in the same way our friends did, as a vital part of who we are, as a construct for our relationship, and a means of growing and learning about one another and ourselves.

On Authenticity:

For me, this is being true to who you are, accepting what you need, and accepting all the positive and negative consequences of what you need. People I respect in kink demonstrate this. One of my good friends is just a man whore. He likes a little S&M thrown in but he knows what he is, he doesn't try to represent himself as anything different. He likes running around naked and getting attention from the ladies. He gets and understands BDSM, but it isn't a huge priority for him personally. Though he's a great and willing assistant in scenes, and he's game for just about anything. He's more authentic than me, he's more authentic then a lot of the M/s couples that I know, and he doesn't fit any classic BDSM definition or role.

Authenticity to me also means being willing grow, to be willing to be actively involved in the give and take required to make these relationships work. People who just want a certain range of activities in a certain way don't read as "authentic" to me, they read as not being in touch with themselves. BDSM is a constantly evolving thing, relationships are constantly evolving and rely on cooperation to meet needs. Authenticity at the core is about being genuine with ourselves, until we can do that we can't be genuine with anyone else.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Because yes, many who are experienced feel that their definition should somehow be the correct one for me, too, even though I've been at these for a decade, and at this point, after many different types of experiences, have a very clear sense of what I like, and what I have zero interest in. At the end of the day, really, it is all about being respectful of the choices that people make. At my age and level of experience, I would just like Dominants to be respectful of my version of BDSM, and not assume that because of my stated role and gender that somehow I either don't know what I want, or have made a mistake defining what I like or that I need a man/Dominant to help me define what it is that I want. Another word comes to mind. Arrogant.


Be careful though, your response here is defensive and carries it's own airs of arrogance. Also, it's important to remember most "doms" on this site have ZERO experience and live in their own fantasy land. Though regardless in any kinky relationship BDSM is always a combination of both partners definitions of BDSM. No one but you is going to have your definition. You clearly know what YOU want, but what room is there for what your prospective partner wants?




JanahX -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/19/2012 9:20:55 AM)

whats extreme to one person is passe' to the next. Now UNLESS the Roberts Rules of BDSM book directs otherwise ...




JeffBC -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/19/2012 9:30:49 AM)

...This is an attitude that I come across more from people who I encounter on the Internet
Ahhhh... well there you have it then. Internet BDSM and BDSM'ers are nothing at all like real life. Here on the internet I'm not kinky enough, not dominant enough, not masterly enough, not... well... you get the idea -- except for the times when I'm being too much of one or more of those things. Here on the internet I've been told all sorts of things such as... "It doesn't count since Carol obeys out of a personal desire to please the man she loves". Here's another favorite... "Nobody can expect obedience all the time." In other words, what I read on the internet doesn't really match up well with reality as I know it.

In the real world, my friends like hanging with me and they don't really care whether or not I get up to the same stuff they do. They like it that I don't freak out when someone kneels and I laugh when there's a bloody horror after the spanking with a cheese grater incident. In short, I think that worrying about the opinion of "internet people" is kind of pointless. People, in my experience, do not behave on the internet the way they do in real life... not just BDSM people, but all people... gamers, you name it.




DesFIP -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/19/2012 9:40:04 AM)

Word play, I don't see much difference between extreme, intensity and edginess.

As far as the attitude of they will teach you to like what they like. And yes, every female here has gotten those emails, it's because they just want to get laid in the way that does it for them, and they don't care about whether or not it does anything for you. They assume that domineering is the same as dominant, and are hoping this attitude will make you want to submit. You would think after getting turned down and ignored a thousand times that they might realize they're doing things wrong, but it never does. It takes confidence to admit that they've made a mistake and need to learn what they've obviously missed. But these guys don't possess confidence, the opposite instead.

However as far as mainstream BDSM goes, I'm sure I'm not in it. Since we aren't much into s & m, we're pure bondage when it comes to play. And heavily power dynamic outside of play. In fact, play for us is probably the one time where there isn't a power dynamic, where I can say no. Because he wants me aroused and doesn't enjoy play/sex without it.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/19/2012 2:27:29 PM)

Thanks sheisreeds for your comments on community and authenticity. I have in my years in the lifestyle developed a sense of community (albeit a small one), but still, I do feel like I have something in common with others who are in the lifestyle generally, even if we are not the same gender, role, sexual orientation, or even if we don't share the same set of interests. I still enjoy my friendships and conversations, particularly, with those who are part of this world (however we choose to frame what this community is to us).

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ORIGINAL: sheisreeds

Be careful though, your response here is defensive and carries it's own airs of arrogance. Also, it's important to remember most "doms" on this site have ZERO experience and live in their own fantasy land. Though regardless in any kinky relationship BDSM is always a combination of both partners definitions of BDSM. No one but you is going to have your definition. You clearly know what YOU want, but what room is there for what your prospective partner wants?

If I sound defensive or arrogant, it is because when I turn down someone, I usually do it in the polite way of saying that we are not really compatible and generally speaking, my assessment has been correct. (On the few occasions when I've compromised, it usually doesn't last very long, and actually results in more hurt feelings all the way around, because then each of us has invested more time and energy trying to make things work. But it is quite difficult to take someone who isn't into s&m and make them genuinely enjoy that type of play -and believe me, I have tried, not just once. But really it can become a frustrating and ultimately futile exercise.)

But I digress. When I politely decline, and cite fundamental compatibility issues, I am often met with responses that disparage my interests as not being authentic. But when I politely decline someone, I never make any judgment about their choices. One either perceives someone as being compatible or not. There is never any judgment coming from me about whether their choices are authentic. They are free to choose what they enjoy doing, and to search for compatible partners. But the moment I turn someone down on the compatibility front, I sometimes get attacked. I am not saying others cannot want what they want. But trying to force fit someone who doesn't share one's interests is usually a futile endeavor. I mean if someone is a big needle play enthusiast, I am not the right match. If someone is into M/s, I am also not the right match. I know myself well enough to know what I'm looking for (and have no difficulty finding like minded people). I am just personally shocked (because I do view this as a community of sorts) at the angry retorts that I get when I cite lack of compatibility in turning someone down. Again, if I am being both forthright about my interests and respectful of theirs, I just don't feel an assessment on my part that there isn't much compatibility should be met with hostility.

For me the room for negotiation is still around certain foundational/fundamental things that we must still share. If a Dominant's main set of interests are in my hard limits category (in some cases because I've experienced them, and have decided I'm not interested in those things), I'm not sure where the compatibility is. In the same way, if a Dominant is not really into s&m, it is difficult to imagine where the overlap is going to be. And his right to search for someone who matches his set of interests is equal to my right to do the same. I do not believe a Dominant/Top is somehow entitled to more compromise on the part of the submissive/bottom from the outset of a relationship, simply due to desired role.




MrBukani -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/20/2012 4:36:45 AM)

Describe the word tribal tattoo to an authentic tribe and you will see there is little authentic about it.
Extremes are for people who cant get enough kicks outta one thing. They are limited in experiencing the full effect of one concept.
No limits is bullshit when I take my dentist drill out.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/20/2012 9:17:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrBukani
No limits is bullshit when I take my dentist drill out.

Ok, MrB. This is not a happy image. Novocaine, please....




LizDeluxe -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/20/2012 3:24:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Although BDSM is a wide umbrella, it appears to me that many people within the community have certain preconceived notions of what is both authentic and extreme in the BDSM world.


This has been my perception, as well. It is one of the reasons that while I do participate locally I tend to keep things at arm's reach. I have always attributed this phenomenon not to anything specific regarding peoples' feeling about BDSM so much as I attribute it to basic human nature. It doesn't matter whether the discussion is about BDSM activities or rap music versus rock music or democrat versus republican or Ford versus Chevy. Many humans (most, to be entirely honest) tend to feel that if they give any credence to "the other side" then it diminishes their side. So they dig in their heels. It's truly amazing that we have survived this long as a society much less having progressed to the extent that we have.




ProlificNeeds -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/20/2012 5:03:54 PM)

FR ~

There will always be some people who want to feel that the space under the umbrella is limited and finite, that only select company can fit beneath it, this allows them to feel special.

There are those who don't give a flip if they fit under the umbrella at all, they want to feel like rebels.

Some people are oblivious that there even is an umbrella.

It takes all kinds.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/20/2012 6:08:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Bear with me on this, because it was difficult for me to find a succinct way to describe the following.

Although BDSM is a wide umbrella, it appears to me that many people within the community have certain pre-conceived notions of what is both authentic and extreme in the BDSM world. For me, authenticity and extremeness can come in many guises. And all of these different aspects ought to be respected. I really feel that no one aspect should be considered more authentic or necessarily more extreme.

What do I mean by this? For example, I am currently a bedroom-only submissive/bottom, and my primary play interests are s&m combined with some elements of D/s. At times, I correspond with people who feel that I am a "very-light" player, or somehow lack authenticity as a submissive, because I restrict D/s to the bedroom. But, by the same token, I have had Dominants who I have had relationships with tell me that I could withstand more pain (within the activities I engage in) than anyone else they had played with. I am also bisexual, and not averse to multi-player play or poly relationship dynamics. So along certain dimensions, I am actually more "extreme" if you will. But then there are other dimensions, like control, where I readily admit, I am not interested in anything extreme. D/s is restricted primarily to the bedroom, and I have no personal interest in M/s or other more extreme control dynamics. I also know, for example, gay bottoms, who are heavily into pain play of a sort that I have no interest in, but have zero interest in any type of power dynamics. I know female submissives who self-describe as slaves, who have zero interest in bisexuality, or pain, but who are interested in more extreme power dynamics than I would ever be interested in personally. So while their power dynamic might be more "extreme", other aspects of their play are not as extreme as what I do. I also encounter Dominants who are into control, but really not into administering pain (or vice versa). In other words, many different types of people with many different types of interests, each authentic and extreme in their own way.

So my point is, that I respect any possible approach as being "authentic". "Authenticity" is really what BDSM means to each of us, and the sincerity with which we seek that out. No one approach is necessarily more "authentic" than another. I also readily accept that "extremeness" depends on what aspect of BDSM you are looking at. Some people are very extreme in the dimension that they seek, but not interested at all in other dimensions. No one aspect of BDSM has a monopoly on "extremeness". (I found the terms authentic and extreme to best describe what I am getting at, but would welcome other terminology suggestions.)

Anyway, just wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on this based on their own experiences and journey through the BDSM world.


I sold my umbrella.

It felt too confining at the end of the day.




DennisNajee -> RE: Authenticity and Extremeness Under the BDSM Umbrella (2/22/2012 4:05:15 PM)

Authentic and extreme are useless words when talking about BDSM.  They are too subjective with definitions varying.

It is more important to behave safely in all you do in your BDSM interactions and do what leads to your own fulfillment.  It is your life and relationship(s).




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