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tazzygirl -> Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 11:47:07 AM)

Washington (CNN) -- The government should never require health care providers to fully cover the cost of prenatal testing such as amniocentesis, which can determine the possibility of Down syndrome or other problems in the fetus, Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday.

In particular, amniocentesis "more often than not" results in abortion, said Santorum, a strident anti-abortion politician, on the CBS program "Face the Nation."

"People have a right to do it, but to have the government force people to provide it free just is a bit loaded," Santorum said in arguing against what he called a mandate in the health care reform bill passed by President Barack Obama and Democrats in 2010.

Santorum was responding to questions about comments he made the day before at a Christian Alliance luncheon in Columbus, Ohio, in which he said the mandate in the health care law was intended to increase abortions and reduce overall health care costs.

"One of the mandates is they require free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America," Santorum said. "Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free pre-natal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done, because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society."


http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/19/politics/santorum-prenatal-testing/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Complications of amniocentesis include preterm labor and delivery, respiratory distress, postural deformities, fetal trauma and alloimmunisation of the mother (rhesus disease). Studies from the 1970s originally estimated the risk of amniocentesis-related miscarriage at around 1 in 200 (0.5%).[7] A more recent study (2006) has indicated this may actually be much lower, perhaps as low as 1 in 1,600 (0.06%).[8] In contrast, the risk of miscarriage from chorionic villus sampling (CVS) is believed to be approximately 1 in 100, although CVS may be done up to four weeks earlier, and may be preferable if the possibility of genetic defects is thought to be higher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amniocentesis#Risks_and_drawbacks

Most are done as a result of the triple test results.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_test

So, basically, its another attack on women and their health.

Are the conservatives still so very proud of this man?

Just because he refused and did not discover his own daughter's condition, which would have been known through the test, doesnt mean every woman has to do the same.




Lucylastic -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 11:53:08 AM)

In my eyes, if he were a good father, he would be at home helping his WIFE AND children, coping with and helping with the littlest one as she is so ill.
To me, its shows his lack of empathy, compassion or giving a shit about womens rights and issues.
But then thats just me.
I posted similar to yours Tazz over in hypocrisy or Obsession thread




PeonForHer -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 11:55:09 AM)

Seriously, why is this man such a massive tosser? As a non-North American reading this forum with mounting astonishment at each new post about him, I honestly don't get it.




tazzygirl -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 11:56:36 AM)

And yet conservatives, for the most part, see nothing wrong with this.




PeonForHer -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 11:59:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And yet conservatives, for the most part, see nothing wrong with this.


Oh come on. Are you saying that there are unembarrassed supporters of Wacky Ricky on this forum?




tazzygirl -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 12:02:49 PM)

I am saying it has been posted repeatedly that any GOP, including Santorum, is better than Obama.




Lucylastic -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 12:07:25 PM)

And then some!!!!




slvemike4u -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 12:08:02 PM)

Lets turn that around tazzy...any tosser(to borrow a phrase) other than Santurom is now alright with me [:)]
I can not believe one of two major political parties in my country would put forth this train wreck of a candidate.
Fuck,bring back Palin.[&o]




PeonForHer -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 1:04:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I am saying it has been posted repeatedly that any GOP, including Santorum, is better than Obama.


Far, far out.




DarkSteven -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 1:11:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Seriously, why is this man such a massive tosser? As a non-North American reading this forum with mounting astonishment at each new post about him, I honestly don't get it.


Peon, Santorum was considered a laughable candidate on the level of Bachmann.  Any effort spent vetting him would be wasted effort.

Nobody except Santorum himself expected him to be viable at this point.  He benefited from flying under the radar till now.

Now he's getting vetted.




GrandPoobah -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/19/2012 4:01:23 PM)

Politicians, especially those espousing the restrictive views of a single religion, have no place telling doctors how to be doctors. That should be strictly between doctors and their patients, and health care funding should support any legal medical treatment, with the possible exception of un-necessary cosmetic surgery. If a woman would benefit from breast re-construction post-cancer, I'd support that. If she wants bigger boobs because she has self-image problems...she can pay for them herself. Considering the number of women who are on "birth control" hormone therapy to control issues other than conception, it's stupid to deny them that LEGAL medical treatment.

It makes no sense...unless you...well, if you're in the GOP it probably makes sense, but that's a much different case. If you watched the recent House hearings, you might have noticed an interesting situation. At the house hearings, you had an all-male panel of religious "leaders" stating what should be done about women's health. Oddly, that sounds just like what happens in countries like Iran. Male religious leaders deciding what rights women might be allowed to have. Truly sad!




tweakabelle -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/21/2012 6:45:30 PM)

This article should be compulsory reading for any one who is considering Santorum as a viable candidate for POTUS. And everyone else too, if only to find out the abhorrent results that will eventuate if his insane health policies for women and children ever get implemented.


http://open.salon.com/blog/sarah_gale/2012/02/19/why_rick_santorum_would_have_killed_my_daughter_1


Is this the future you want for your country? Frothy Mix is evil, truly evil.




kdsub -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/21/2012 7:17:47 PM)

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And yet conservatives, for the most part, see nothing wrong with this


tazzy why do you worry? There is no way the average American will vote for this nut case. If I were you I would hope the Republican party is stupid enough to make him their standard carrier because this will assure Obama's reelection.

I believe the Republican party has misjudged the American public. They have mistaken their mid-term success as a affirmation of the radical right’s way of thinking rather then simply dissatisfaction in the economic recovery led by the Democrats.

Now that the economy is turning around they are in for a rude awakening.

Butch




Lucylastic -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/21/2012 9:30:22 PM)

hiya Butch:) I agree with you. except, he is not gonna get it, but... its too damn close for comfort. The funnymentalism I mean
Good post:)




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/22/2012 12:55:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And yet conservatives, for the most part, see nothing wrong with this.


What we're seeing here is known as 'infectious insanity', or 'mob hysteria' - which has raised its ugly head in places like Nazi Germany, Revolutionary France, Soviet Russia, Cambodia, North Korea, Zimbabwe - any place where the leadership went ape-shit crazy and dragged the population along with them into madness and devastation.

Take these people dead seriously.

[sm=couch.gif]




tazzygirl -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/22/2012 1:03:21 AM)

What I see now is an attack on women. IF that war is won, and the christian right infiltrates our lives by that avenue, when will it stop? School prayer? Alcohol? I know of places that do not have legal hunting on sundays.... the reason because its a holy day.

How many conservatives really wish to buy into that type of religious utopia?




kalikshama -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/22/2012 4:36:03 AM)

Good article.

Why Rick Santorum would have killed my daughter

...Rather than turning to my local politician for prenatal advice, I followed the guidance of my obstetrician, who sent me to a perinatologist, who recommended I have an amniocentesis. Because he had a medical degree and years of experience treating pregnant women, I followed his recommendation.

...Happily, she made a full recovery and has no lingering effects from the disease. And it’s all thanks to that one medical test.

If Rick Santorum had his way, I wouldn’t have been able to get that test, and she most likely would have died. Because according to him, tests that give parents vital information about the health of their unborn children are morally wrong. Though he has no medical training, and no business commenting on the medical decisions that women and their doctors make, he argues that such tests shouldn’t be provided, or that employers at least should be allowed to opt out of paying for them on “moral grounds.”

...




Staleek -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/22/2012 5:09:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GrandPoobah

Politicians, especially those espousing the restrictive views of a single religion, have no place telling doctors how to be doctors. That should be strictly between doctors and their patients, and health care funding should support any legal medical treatment, with the possible exception of un-necessary cosmetic surgery. If a woman would benefit from breast re-construction post-cancer, I'd support that. If she wants bigger boobs because she has self-image problems...she can pay for them herself. Considering the number of women who are on "birth control" hormone therapy to control issues other than conception, it's stupid to deny them that LEGAL medical treatment.

I've read a lot about bioethics and issues such as the ones you've just raised are tip of a gigantic iceberg we are going to hit in the not too distant future. To allow politicians to set an agenda that medical practitioners have to abide by sounds ridiculous now, but what about when gene therapy increases the human lifespan by an extra 200 years? Even now we are faced with a dilemma of whether or not to take organs from the newly deceased without consent. And what about when people want to design certain aspects of their children? Change height, hair colour or whatever? Aren't we quantifying and adding arbitrary value to human life based on characteristics and not just the fact that they are alive at that point?

What do you think of this case?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1916462.stm

There will be a time when we as a civilization decide, through our political representitives, to tell doctors how to be doctors - whether religious or not. The problem in this case is that Santorum is being an opportunistic little scumbag, who is exploiting a manufactured controversy in order to get his face on TV and get votes in the race to become the Republican candidate. While I agree with his comments about this resulting in more abortions (FYI I don't like that kind of abortion but I respect the right to choose) the idea of not testing is clearly stupid, as the test itself does nothing. Furthermore his methods are themselves deeply unethical. If he genuinely believes that abortion is an issue which ethically crosses the boundaries of what a civilized society should aspire too he should make that case then ask the people to give him the authority to make it law. He shouldn't just be denying the right to those without the money to do it themselves.

If something is wrong it's wrong. It's not only wrong if you don't have money.




thishereboi -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/22/2012 6:19:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Seriously, why is this man such a massive tosser? As a non-North American reading this forum with mounting astonishment at each new post about him, I honestly don't get it.



Good question. I just saw his new commercial which slams Romney for slamming him. Then it goes on to tell us just how terrible Romneys record it and then ends with another slam against Romney for making negative ads. I kept thinking if you would make an ad telling me the good things you are going to do, instead of trying to make everyone else look bad, I might just listen. But then again, maybe he can't think of anything good to say about himself either.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Santorum Stupidity part 2 (2/22/2012 7:03:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


...... I kept thinking if you would make an ad telling me the good things you are going to do,.....



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