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WestBaySlave -> Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:17:25 AM)



Uh-oh - it's one of those threads. You know, when a poster pours out their current relationship car-wreck and somehow expects a forum full of near-strangers to fit into the role of therapist! [8|] Well, I don't, but I would be curious if some of the long-time members have any thoughts on the situation.

Almost two years ago now I met my fiance online. It seemed very unlikely at the time: he was Egyptian, I was Canadian, and we were both thousands of kilometers apart. For the first few months the sheer distance and difficulty dissuaded us from giving it a shot, but we kept being drawn back together. In September 2010 I visited him, and after much soul-searching, I moved to him mid-January 2011.

As you may well imagine ( especially those who keep track of the news ), the year was quite the adventure, but by New Years this year we were both happy, still deeply in love, had great jobs, and a pretty decent life overall. There were trials - we had to keep a secret life and live as "roommates" in the eyes of everyone but a few gay friends - but we made it through together.

He proposed to me, and I accepted. But, we knew, in the long haul, Egypt would never be a home for us. Suspicion would rise the longer we were together, family pressure to marry a woman and conform to the culture would only grow stronger, and we'd spend our whole lives looking over our shoulder. So, we planned a route where I'd return to Canada, get a job here, and he'd follow me here a few months down the road, when we'd marry and I'd sponsor him into the country.

Well, I'm one week into my return, and somehow, it's all gone wrong. Let me back track a bit.

A couple weeks before I was due to return, he mentioned that he had a deal with a few Saudi and Gulf friends to help introduce them to westerners for a fee. Their English was weak and they often were without western connections. The demand for people with a Caucasian features is very large there, plus there is a ( accurate, I'm sorry to say ) idea that westerners are more likely to be self-accepting in terms of being gay and less tied to family obligations. It seemed an odd sort of work, but if it wasn't prostitution or anything of that kind, just a one-man dating agency.

My first eyebrows starting being raised when my fiance said he didn't want me to be a part of it. I accepted, though it raised a few flags, I reasoned it away with "Well, I only speak a few words in Arabic, I guess I'm not much use" and felt flattered when he said he was jealous of me hanging around men who were seeking out white western guys.

A few days ago, he asked me if he could use a bonus account I still had on one of my old BDSM sites for his Saudi friends. I'd had enough paid accounts in the past they had put me on some sort of free, contact-all-users policy. I rarely used it bar to contact a few old friends, so I said sure, just keep the log-ins the same as some of the friends on there I no longer had emails for. He agreed, and all seemed well.

The next day, I tried to open the account and found myself blocked out. It was very odd for me, I kept on thinking it must be a mistake until I found the email address had been changed, too. Feeling upset and hurt I asked him why, and he refused to answer, just saying that I didn't trust him. Then, on pushing forward, he said that I wouldn't like what I'd see there as he'd been contacting people for his Saudi friends. I was kind of surprised he'd say this, as I knew that's why he wanted to use it; why would I be bothered?

Eventually, he gave me the log-ins. I logged in to find my profile changed into his old profile, advertising with his old pictures and his details. Not a single mention of anyone in Saudi or Gulf regions he was ostensibly looking for.

I'll admit I was angry at this point; I said things I regret, mostly just childish insults which I got back, in turn. After calming down for a couple hours, I told him it would be okay if he would just close down the profile, I'd try to forget I'd even seen it. "Let's just delete everything and start from square one, and try to fix this."

He told me that he couldn't; we needed the money from the Saudi guys too badly. I was baffled by this, as he has a good, upper-middle class job and offered to send what's left of my - admittedly meager - savings to cover whatever debt was troubling him ( as far as I know, the only credit debt we have is my flight home ), but he said I needed it here. I flat out told him that no amount of money was worth having our relationship dissolve over this issue. Then he told me he missed me so much he wanted the money to come to me soon. I told him I'd rather just return to Egypt now if his loneliness was driving him to do stuff like this.

In the end, I gave him an ultimatum: either the profile goes, or give me that engagement ring back ( or at least its meaning ). I gave him a week to think about it.

( For the record, we are monogamous and that is a very hard limit for both of us, always has been - it's part of what brought us together. Also, we're mostly D/s only in the bedroom - that's just how things worked out for us. )

I don't know if it was the right thing to do. I don't know if I was too hard, too easy, too quick, too slow. I've apologized for the heated words I said on seeing his advertisement, but otherwise, I don't know which way is "up"; which is the best route to go.

I have a huge amount of rage in me right now, and I don't know if it's misplaced or not. Part of me is angry at the situation, but it's not even the situation itself, as much as the timing. If this had happened in Egypt, well, I had another life to fall back on. Right now, I'm back in Vancouver, sharing a room, looking for work, and the thing that made me make this move is slipping through my fingers. It makes an already stressful situation worse.

Another part of me is confused - the inevitable ''But I thought I knew him!" reaction. Now I'm wondering how much of what I know is real. Were there ever any Saudi guys seeking dates? I mean I certainly have been hit on by different Arab men; I'm ''in demand'' there, far more than Canada, so the dating agent scenario seemed plausible. Was he really wanting me to leave to start a new life for us both, or was it just an underhanded way to get me to leave, period? I don't know how much is reasonable doubt and how much is paranoia.

Sadness is inevitable, I guess.

I'm open to hearing anyone's comments. Feel free to stab with pointy sticks. I don't mind criticism, I just don't know what's right.

Currently, he's mostly been avoiding me or giving monosyllabic responses online. I phone our old friends and he's been giving them the silent treatment too, which makes me wonder if there's something bigger afoot. I'm not sure if I should reach out to him or, if he keeps on drifting farther away, let him go.




LaTigresse -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:20:05 AM)

I am going to guess he decided he really doesn't want to move. Wish him well, let it go, and move on.




kalikshama -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:26:28 AM)

I wouldn't begin to try to guess at his motives, but he's clearly been dishonest, so let him go.




Lockit -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:30:08 AM)

I'm sorry you are hurt, but am very glad you are basically home with your broken heart. It is clear he hasn't been honest with you and maybe not with those that he has contact with through your old account. There may come a time when you are thankful for learning this but now you just feel betrayed, confused and hurt. There is no other way than to get through the pain and continue moving on with your life, whatever lessons learned in a romantic betrayal kind of way. You may never figure out what he is doing or has done and expecting answers is what we typically do in a situation like this, but I know few that actually get them.

I hope you can find a job and start putting together your new path in life. Again, I am sorry for your pain and this experience you have to find your way through.




SoftBonds -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:43:18 AM)

If it looks like he lied to you and was looking for someone else, maybe he wasn't the one for you. That means the right guy for you is still out there. Keep looking, and you will find him.
Good luck!




mnottertail -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:48:44 AM)

I am sorry to be rather blunt, as well as opaque for the reasoning, kiddo but:

There ain't nothin' as over as Christmas. Get another life starting right now.

Ron




Fornica -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:53:04 AM)

Could he be having cold feet? Acting out because he misses you? He's been dishonest, has he ever been before?




Kana -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 10:34:47 AM)

Sorry, but anytime I hear bout stuff like that I start thinking there's a scam somewhere at the heart of it.
Maybe I've received one to many nigerian lottery letters, but when folks from another country want to use my accounts (Whatever type of account it is) to contact others from other countries and money's involved, my antennae go upupup




ProlificNeeds -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 12:36:10 PM)

FR:
Wether he's malicious with intent or not in his actions or inaction, it really boils down to one thing.

Does he want to meet you half way to make it work or not?
If not, don't for one more minute waste your efforts on a man unwilling to work just as hard as you. It hurts, but if he doesn't want you, or want to go be with you, then you can't make him, and you shouldn't try. You deserve to be in love with a man who wants you as badly as you want him, and who will show it in action not just words.




VioletViolence -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 1:58:05 PM)

He did something underhanded, you found out, freaked and he retaliated. I probably would have done something similar in your situation. So now you've given him a week to nut up and if he doesn't it's over.....I don't see anything else you *can* do. Either he wants you enough to make things better or he doesn't. Unfortunately it doesn't appear like he's willing to put in the effort. It's a shame, but most people aren't, especially when there's an ocean separating them from the person they supposedly love. I sincerely hope that it all works out for you, even if he doesn't end up making things right and if you're ever needing to vent I also live in Vancouver :)




DesFIP -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 2:54:12 PM)

West Bay, you are a good, honest and loving man. Unfortunately that also means you expect others to be the same.
I don't think he ever saw himself moving permanently, he just wanted a hidden gay lover. But that's different than loving you.

You're settling for less than you deserve, and as always when you do that you wind up getting even less than you're settling for.

Before he locks you out again, you need to change the password so he can't use it to scam others. Because as it's your account, you'll be the one blamed.




AnEquinox -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 7:34:27 PM)

My heart goes out to you! That sounds so hard! Do you have older family and friends to rely on right now?

I'm guessing that there is something else you don't know about. Maybe he is being blackmailed. Maybe he has something in his past. I'm guessing he has noble intentions and is trying to protect you because he genuinely cares about you (or else he would be trying to get money from you) and this feels bigger than anything he can handle!




WestBaySlave -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:26:14 PM)

Thanks all, for replying!

As an update, I had a long, long talk with him today ( as in a good five hours ). At first it seemed to go no-where; a lot of the same argument I described up-thread, but I took a different take mid-way and decided it would be much simpler if I split the actions into "Was this wrong or right? Yes or no." And went through all I described. Eventually he agreed that it was the wrong course of action, but it he seemed very reluctant and getting an apology was a somewhat hard-won affair. He did say sorry in the end, and then, gave me the passwords to the accounts. With his permission I changed the password, and changed the profile ( with some of his pictures still in it ) to a warning that a scammer had taken over this profile and to delete any messages received from it over the last week. I must admit that last part was a little fun, even if it's petty.

On the whole, I'm left feeling somewhat better but still unsure. I've now changed all the passwords on my accounts, and gotten my privacy back. Still, that doesn't feel right, somehow. A grudging apology when someone's clearly lost a war of words is fun in a political debate, but poor in love. Sure, I've got my account back, and my privacy back, but it was never the account itself I cared about so much as the show of mistrust, and I don't want to have to have to change my passwords to avoid my fiance, of all people. On paper, I got what I wanted. Yet, it's feeling kind of a Pyrrhic Victory at the moment, and I'm left with a huge blow to my trust levels.

I'm not about to end it just yet, but I'm not sure I'm comfortably engaged anymore, either. I'm trying not to get too bogged down in thinking about it though, as today's drama took up a lot of time I could have used towards establishing myself here.




LanceHughes -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:37:20 PM)

I've posted my a tag-line from my sig block so that if I ever change my sig block, said tag-line will still appear in this post.

Any-who:

"Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer, but wish we didn't." Erica Jong




xxblushesxx -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/22/2012 9:47:46 PM)

WBS, In your heart, you know what's going on.
You don't want to admit it.
You don't want to see it.
You damn sure don't want to feel it.
But you do just the same.
It's that little voice in your head, screaming out the truth.
You're going to have to listen to it, one way or the other.
If you don't break it off, the other guy will.
Move on, and find someone worthy of the honest love you have to give.
Best wishes to you.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (2/24/2012 12:26:38 PM)

I'm sorry you've had this experience. And the prospect of a relationship that was meaningful to us breaking down is always confusing, saddening and upsetting.

Lots of good advice here already. Just want to add one other thing that is more of a public service message than anything else. Anytime you are dealing with someone from a foreign country (outside of a few very affluent countries where people can easily travel in and out of the country), you have to be mindful of the fact that there could be some other hidden agenda. I'm not saying that is necessarily the case here, but I think one has to consider the possibility, and make decisions along the way with that in mind. Don't mean to be a cynic, but when people come from parts of the world where any of the following is true: widespread poverty, repression, limited geographic mobility, you have real reasons to view things through a slightly suspicious lens. As part of the plan you had together was for you to sponsor him for Canadian citizenship, I would just be cautious as to the depth of his real emotion for you, and the nature of his true objective.

Yes, I readily admit I could be painting this situation with an unfair negative brush, and that the reality is not at all what I describe. But just please be cautious.




WestBaySlave -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (3/11/2012 11:07:10 PM)

Well, I'd just thought I'd let all who took the time to contribute know how it all went down. ( Not that I think Collarme is waiting with bated breaths, but I notice a common complaint around here is that the OP asks advice and never returns to say how it all worked out. )

We went back and forth for a week or so, he split up with me, then we got back together, then I decided I really needed to end it as I saw the same arguments cycling through again.

For a week we weren't speaking, but we seemed to have moved into a tentative, nascent friendship. Really, there is a sadness at the loss, but, this is really as amicable and life-affirming a split as I could imagine. We both still care for each other deeply, and we've both promised to be there if the other ever needs help.




GreedyTop -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (3/11/2012 11:33:27 PM)

*hugs*




pyroaquatic -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (3/12/2012 2:04:33 AM)

Dear WastBaySlave,

you are a smarty pants and a cutie-pie.

You control your gate; you feed your drama-lama. I am very happy you chose to be happy over trying to make it work out when it was apparent that part of the party did not want it to work.

Speaking from my own situation:

If my heart was less generous then I would not give people second, third, fourth, fifth... (gulp), sixth, or seventh chances.

You would think that after the third maybe I might learn and beyond that it really is my fault.

Because my heart is so generous I only want to see good people have good things happen to them. The trick is having the radar to determine which people are good. Manipulators and cheats are everywhere... in the vanilla and bdsm world.

So I may have to hire a third person psychological profiler to screen people as my acid tests are becoming very very complicated.

Most fail the first 3 of mine quite swiftly.

No one sits on my Ty Frog. No one. X[




DesFIP -> RE: Relationship Drama-Lama: Enter At Your Peril! (3/12/2012 12:09:17 PM)

Hugs to West Bay




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