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MzMia -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 7:19:38 PM)
Well I do know the unemployment rate is rising, and will probably rise more due to the housing industry. Pressure mounting for big rate cut - Jan. 4, 2008 With so many illegals wanting to do all these jobs Amerikans don't want to do, I wonder what the future holds? job wise that is One thing is sure, jobs or NO jobs, the majority ain't going back to Mexico.

popeye1250 -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 8:01:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia Well I do know the unemployment rate is rising, and will probably rise more due to the housing industry. Pressure mounting for big rate cut - Jan. 4, 2008 With so many illegals wanting to do all these jobs Amerikans don't want to do, I wonder what the future holds? job wise that is One thing is sure, jobs or NO jobs, the majority ain't going back to Mexico. Mia, well they ain't staying here. Like they tell you at Closing Time in the Pubs; "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here."

MzMia -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 8:07:19 PM)
lol popeye ....kiss kiss kiss! I live in the Northern Virginia area, and from what I have seen, and those I have talked to, most have NO intention of going back to Mexico. Many have children here, no way jose, popeye. from what I have seen and heard, being poor and unemployed in America, is far better than being poor and unemployed South of the Border, amigo.

TheHeretic -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 9:24:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy You might find this surprising, TheHeretic, but most of my life involves having long and involved conversations with people who have different values and beliefs than my own. The thing I find successful is to ... try to understand the context in which their beliefs and values were developed and become actualized. trimmed at ... I see. You study them. Like interesting specimens for your enlightened disdain. The spectral range of people I deal with, and have in my circle of friendly aquaintances stuns even me, when I step back and look at it (and I'm not counting you fun online folks). The smallest inner circle of people I love goes from office professionals and religious, social conservative to outlaw bikers and the hippies on the hill. I'm certainly aware of the vast differences of opinion between us, but rather than trying to arrogantly decipher their development ("What went wrong???"), I seek the common ground that will draw us together. I'd be curious to know what shared values you found. Multi-culturalism is a good thing, remember? Sure, they have some attitudes we find distasteful, but you get a enough of a kick out of abusing women (the term they would use) to be hanging around in a place like this. Our attitudes came from somewhere, so did theirs. So what? What they do is even legal. Granted, the True Believer types can get annoying, but did you meet anyone from that group you'd have a beer (whatever) with?

popeye1250 -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 9:48:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia lol popeye ....kiss kiss kiss! I live in the Northern Virginia area, and from what I have seen, and those I have talked to, most have NO intention of going back to Mexico. Many have children here, no way jose, popeye. from what I have seen and heard, being poor and unemployed in America, is far better than being poor and unemployed South of the Border, amigo. Mia, I couldn't care less about their "intentions". They can scream and cry all they want when they cuff them up and load them on a bus for deportation. No criminal likes to be arrested and cuffed I can assure you of that. Some people seem to think that if they can sneak into our country that for (some reason) they can stay here. I don't know where that thinking comes from. The longer they're here the more chance that they'll be caught for a minor infraction and found out. So they can think whatever they want to think but once Bush goes there's going to be a lot more law enforcement in this area.

juliaoceania -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 10:11:16 PM)
quote: Sure, they have some attitudes we find distasteful, but you get a enough of a kick out of abusing women (the term they would use) Who are the "they" in your statement... and who is getting a kick out of "abusing" women?

TheHeretic -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 10:20:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: Sure, they have some attitudes we find distasteful, but you get a enough of a kick out of abusing women (the term they would use) Who are the "they" in your statement... and who is getting a kick out of "abusing" women? The "who" would be Sinergy, who identifies as a male dominant on a BDSM board, and the "they" using that term in relation to WIITWD would be people who think WE in the community are the sick and broken ones. (But it's kinda cute when you come running to his defense) [8\|]

juliaoceania -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 10:25:18 PM)
In what way does my Daddy abuse women? Edited to add, that is slander, in case you are not familiar with the term, and your fucking straight I am going to "defend" him against that sort of accusation, what basis do you make it on? I have known him going on two years, he hasn't abused me

TheHeretic -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 10:39:58 PM)
Tell it to the judge. That's the label that gets slapped on our kind. Get past taking my statement as a personal attack, or don't, Julia. I'm heading off to bed soon enough.

juliaoceania -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 10:41:34 PM)
Because of the way you have went after Sinergy in the past because he teaches self defense, I thought that was a swipe at that, not his being a Dom.

TheHeretic -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/14/2008 10:47:50 PM)
I've come after (and fended off) Sinergy on a great many topics, Julia. I don't think his work has been on the list (unless I've suggested that some such defense classes teach women just enough to really piss off an attacker and get themselves even more badly injured). I was strictly referring to the BDSM thing, and that "abuser" is a label easily thrown at any male-type dominant.

gorgeous1 -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 9:33:06 AM)
I promised myself I wouldn't mix my kink with politics, and I opened my big fat mouth! YOu know, I don't think any of us are saying illegal immigration is a good thing- we can all agree on that. Julia, I see where you're coming from, and you raised some really good questions. Bottom line is we have a problem with Illegal Immigration, and those of us that see that it is economically driven are right. On America's side, it is driven by greed, selfishness, over-the-top consumerism, laziness, decadence.... One the side of those who come from other countries, it is driven by desperation, poverty, hopelessness... I am not a cold and heartless person. I understand why these people come here. It's a terrible burden on them...but it's not our cross to bear. We cannot continue to feed, clothe, house, educate, and medically treat the world's poor and weary masses. As a 35 year old, I am very worried about how my generation will be able to provide for the needs of the retiring baby-boomers and take on the staggering amount of social services that Illegal Aliens require. I don't see how it's possible to do it without becoming a socialist country. All those fabulous folks in Washington had better pull their heads out of their asses and see that we are headed for disaster unless they fix the problem...and fast! I think we should all blame Washington for our little debate here!

luckydog1 -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 9:35:09 AM)
Julia, why are you asserting the Minute Men do not operate on the Canadian Border also? 10 seconds on Google shows that to be 100% false. Let's use reality based argument points, or else it is simply made up.

popeye1250 -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 10:06:30 AM)
Luckydog, Julia's just being "academic" again. She's looking for a "Boogeyman" that doesn't exist.

luckydog1 -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 10:14:04 AM)
Popeye, but does being an academic actually mean making up stuff?

DomKen -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 10:51:54 AM)
Jim Gilchrist founded the Minuteman Project. He ran for Congress as a member ofg the Constitution Party (American Indepedanet Party in Cali). The Constitution Party is a racist theocratic outfit using a patriotic name to attempt to subvert this nations core principles. If Gilchrist is such a patriot why did he run for office affiliated with a party that wants to destroy the constitution?

popeye1250 -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 11:49:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Jim Gilchrist founded the Minuteman Project. He ran for Congress as a member ofg the Constitution Party (American Indepedanet Party in Cali). The Constitution Party is a racist theocratic outfit using a patriotic name to attempt to subvert this nations core principles. If Gilchrist is such a patriot why did he run for office affiliated with a party that wants to destroy the constitution? Gee DomKen, if you read that a different way you could apply that to the Democratic Party! All the Segregationists were, after all Democrats. Just ask Senator Robert "Grand Kleigal" Bird D.- W.V.

DomKen -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 1:04:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Jim Gilchrist founded the Minuteman Project. He ran for Congress as a member ofg the Constitution Party (American Indepedanet Party in Cali). The Constitution Party is a racist theocratic outfit using a patriotic name to attempt to subvert this nations core principles. If Gilchrist is such a patriot why did he run for office affiliated with a party that wants to destroy the constitution? Gee DomKen, if you read that a different way you could apply that to the Democratic Party! All the Segregationists were, after all Democrats. Just ask Senator Robert "Grand Kleigal" Bird D.- W.V. Ever read me see a kind word about Byrd, beyond you know spelling his name correctly? However the Democratic party does not call for dumping essential elements of the Constitution nor does it presently support instituting Leviticus as the basis of US law. Both of which are positions held be the so called Constitution party. Several posters have made mention of Gilchrist as some sort of paragon and I just want to know the answers to the question: What makes anyone call a man who fundamentally wants to overthrow the very foundations of the USA a patriot?

domiguy -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 4:12:45 PM)
I'm sure if you live in the border states you probably can feel the direct effect of the illegals. It is all such a crock of shit. Though I am confident that that there are a pile of illegals in Chicago I imagine that most of them are working....Extremely hard and laborious jobs. They are necessary to those industries. So many industries are dependent upon them to stay competitive. I know some will say that there would be others willing to do the work....lol. Or you probably don't deserve to be in business if this is the only way that you can turn a profit or stay afloat. No one is arguing. It just is a lack of seeing the "big picture." Popeye and others are proposing to try and round-up all of the addicts instead of trying to eliminate those individuals who supply them with the drugs....It is at best short sighted and at the worst just a plain and simple waste of time and manpower that accomplishes nothing but punishing those who are only interested in bettering their lot in life. It is as stupid as it is gutless. I really do think that people are not very smart. This is going to become one of the "hot' topics of this election...Which will result in virtually nothing being done....Probably some weak ass legislation about allowing workers into this Country. Bitch on!....It really must be something to be so easily swayed....What does it feel like? Can you put it into words? I'm dying to know.

Bobbie9395 -> RE: Do you support the Minute Men? (1/15/2008 7:54:20 PM)
I support the Minute Men 1000%. And, I had never thought about settting up minefields. What a great idea, particularly along the southern border in the areas the Minute Men and Border Patrol are unable to patrol. I'm sick to death of my tax money going to pay for medical expenses, education, etc., etc. for the illegals, not to mention the terrorists who can come across so easily. The whole situation frustrates the hell out of me. God bless the Minute Men and our Border Patrol agents (who end up in prison for doing their jobs).

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