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OsideGirl -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 7:42:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: curious23
But goddamn it, so many of them think I was born yesterday and that turns me off of them.


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So I'm just wondering if this attitude is just the Dominant condition that I have to just get use to because that's how Doms are (I'm well aware that they can be protective and go into mentor-mode at the drop of a hat) or is this something that I shouldn't tollerate ever?



Here's the deal: There's a whole group of guys out there that look for unexperienced submissives because they don't have the experience. They're eager to do things right and can be easily convinced that there's a right way and wrong way to do WIITWD. These guys aren't really dominant, they're just looking for easy sex from someone that thinks they have to do everything they say. They're playing the numbers and they get lucky once in awhile.

Just tell them good luck and move on. I firmly believe there's someone out there for all of us that has a similar view of what they want out of a relationship. Be picky and don't let the idiots stop you from finding something good.




Kana -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 9:42:57 AM)

1-Folks with weak self esteem like to play the white knight, go riding to the rescue.
2-Why discuss this like most of the folks are serious-they are the same collection of male HNG, wankers and frauds that populate the rest of the topics. That they choose to come on as nice and protective makes them no less wankers.
3-OP-Hey, news flash-rape ain't dominant-in fact it has nothing, as in nada, zip, zilcho, not a damn thing, to do with BDSM. Rapists ain't dominant-they are scared, angry folks whereas, IMHO< a good dominant is neither of those things.
4-All that said, it's the net, an open forum and you have an open profile. Why do you care what idiots write? Delete and move on, end of story.




ResidentSadist -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 11:51:38 AM)

Becoming a cynic is certainly your choice.
Displaying a cynical attitude will be a public service for those good-hearted pessimists as they can avoid you.
Now, look at the pool of people left you will attract with nonsense like I have read in your profile and your post.
Is that really the choice you want to make?

Your choices define you, your path and your options in life.




lovelyk -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 12:17:42 PM)

Are you interested in having someone you do not know/have not screened rape play with you? From what I read, that is what these men are gleaning from your profile and so are trying to warn you that this could be dangerous.

It might be smart to include a small section detailing the importance of safety to you and getting to know the other individual first before playing (assuming you want to rape play with someone you trust). It might seem kind of like a "duh" suggestion, but if your rape play fantasy is the only subject on your profile it could be a smart one.




subtlebutterfly -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 12:24:29 PM)

Just the title of this discussion
"I'm NOT stupid" makes me want to reply and so I will.

I beg to differ.




angelikaJ -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 1:03:08 PM)

Honestly, if you understood how many women post that as a fantasy they say they want actualized (or sometimes in my opinion, have it posted for them without their knowledge) you might be a little more tolerant of the men who send you the cautionary messages.
Not all of those women know what they are getting into.

It is actually kind of refreshing to read that some men are sending those kinds of messages vs: the kind we usually hear about: men who do the kneel bitch thing and who don't show any concern for the other person's well being.

edit: typo






DennisNajee -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 1:30:43 PM)

Whenever I meet a salesman who tells me that he is honest, I hold onto my wallet.  And when someone says they are not stupid, well I do not know how many times Edison had to utter those words.  The thread starter comes across to me as a whining little girl.

As for the gist of the thread, there was a time when I would caution subs about what goes on in the lifestyle.  But I learned something, people are doing to do what they do in spite of the warnings.  After posting warnings online for over 10 years, you know what, take your medicine.  Quite simply, one will not learn until she is abused by some wannbe dom, scarred by someone who didnt know the first thing about edge play, or mangled by some lunatic in a motel room because the suggestions for a safe meetings are ignored.

Yes submissive women are like spoiled teenagers who know better.  They have all the answers.  And before anyone starts thinking it is just tuning out the dominants, I have seen this same interaction when other subs/slaves warn a new person.  It all falls on deaf ears.

So do what you want...it really matters to nobody but yourself.






SoftBonds -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 1:45:08 PM)

Yeah, I saw a profile of an 18 year old woman who wanted to be used as "Meat," and wanted no holds barred, no limits slavery. I couldn't help myself, I sent her an "are you sure," message.
Maybe I'm a weak person with a white knight fantasy, maybe I'm a fake dom, or maybe I just care about my fellow human beings?
Weird thing is, I wasn't even interested in having her as a sub (a little too young ya know?), I just couldn't help sending a warning/"if you need to talk" message.




mnottertail -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 1:54:06 PM)

It never ceases to amaze me how little regard women have for the depravation and horror that resides in the secret ganglion of men.


Sie werden sicherlich leiden, wenn das ungeheuer ist entfesselt..........

I'm not Stupid,
My name is Lisa,
Stupid left you,
for some other guy..........

Now I am getting all weepy, I can't go on......... 

(changed die to das I think.......not sure, native Germanisch hilfen, bitte) 




PeonForHer -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 1:54:50 PM)

I think you're a very clever and delightful young lady indeed and that you show a properly grown up attitude to BDSM. These people who are patronising you are absolute cads and rotters.




angelikaJ -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 1:59:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DennisNajee

Whenever I meet a salesman who tells me that he is honest, I hold onto my wallet.  And when someone says they are not stupid, well I do not know how many times Edison had to utter those words.  The thread starter comes across to me as a whining little girl.

As for the gist of the thread, there was a time when I would caution subs about what goes on in the lifestyle.  But I learned something, people are doing to do what they do in spite of the warnings.  After posting warnings online for over 10 years, you know what, take your medicine.  Quite simply, one will not learn until she is abused by some wannbe dom, scarred by someone who didnt know the first thing about edge play, or mangled by some lunatic in a motel room because the suggestions for a safe meetings are ignored.

Yes submissive women are like spoiled teenagers who know better.  They have all the answers.  And before anyone starts thinking it is just tuning out the dominants, I have seen this same interaction when other subs/slaves warn a new person.  It all falls on deaf ears.

So do what you want...it really matters to nobody but yourself.




Your generalisation is really just as bad (and "whining") as the OP.

I had men and women who offered me suggestions in the beginning.
I appreciated their taking the time to do that; I didn't always follow the advice and I made some mistakes but most of them had nothing to do with not following advice being given.

Not all submissive women end up abused when they are new (whether or not they choose to follow the advice of others.
Some people do verywell by using their own common sense and trusting their gut.

Sometimes people who have been doing this for a long time end up victimised by others.
Sometimes experienced dominant men and women can end up hurting the people they 'play' with; accidents do happen.




SailingBum -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 3:35:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

Just the title of this discussion
"I'm NOT stupid" makes me want to reply and so I will.

I beg to differ.


Doth protest too much

BadOne




curious23 -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 3:42:16 PM)

I just got home from work and managed to read through the posts. Some were harsh and some were informative and some were both. Im a big girl and appreciate the honesty.

I guess I'll go down the list. Poise? you said:
"And then you insult ALL dominant men by assuming that only a dominant man is a rapsit, which is wrong on so many levels."

You got it backwards. While I do think there is an element of domination that a rapist has, I NEVER said that ONLY A DOMINANT MAN IS A RAPIST. Ever. I worry about what other profiles say because my question has to DO with what other profiles say. ARE these girls (including myself) doing themselves any favors? Because maybe someone who's written that they aren't dumb on their profile is reading this thread, too. I am allowed to extend my curiosity to others.
Another thing you say:
"There is nothing you offer anyone with interest to grab on to and discuss with you, other than your fantasy, so of course, you are either going to get "Hey, be careful out there, there are alot of men with ill intent." OR "Hey baby, let's meet up so I can rape you."

You notice I didn't complain about the second option. I don't mind jumping right into the topic of my kink. I prefer it actually. What I DON'T care for is the condescension. That's what this post was about. The warning messages or the messages that attempt to test my own knowledge on the subject. I wanted to know the best way to tell guys like these not to do me any favors. If the only solution is to simply ignore/delete messages like that, fine. I'm cool with that. If there were other options, I was open to hearing them.

In the back of my mind I was hoping this post would get men to understand that we younger submissives do not need you to volunteer your services for help. Sure if we don't know something, we'll ask. But we don't need you to quiz us on our own knowledge of our kinks just so you can sleep at night.

It was a hope (Darksteven, Mr.Blue76, Softbonds, and all others who apply). But not the point of the post.

Kana, you said:
"it's the net, an open forum and you have an open profile. Why do you care what idiots write? Delete and move on, end of story."

I'm not sure if you noticed but I don't live in a vacuum and my actions may indeed influence what happens to others. That's the point of this entire thread. While I'm not trying to make the choices of others subs, I am trying to see what I can write to prevent a problem that others might be facing. Sure I could just ignore the issue as if it doesn't exist but I don't do that. Not in any other facet in my life, either. I don't ignore the needy. I don't ignore the rude (unless attention only makes the problem worse), and I don't ignore confrontation. Sure, it's an easy way out to ignore but it gets you intellectually no where. My goal with the post was to perhaps make a difference about what people write and how they conduct themselves.

I never really consider any advice completely useless. Not even the advice I'm claiming to hate. But DennisNajee, your advice has to be the worst in the history of advice. When someone asks for advice about something, your best bet is to say (tl;dr) "Do what you want"? That's more worthless than silence. I'm not saying that to be rude or mean. I'm saying that in the hopes that he might consider not doing that ever again. May work. May not. Sorry if you think I should just click ignore and move on as far as comments I don't like are concerned. Even though subtlebutterfly (not-so) subtly told me she thought I was stupid, at least she managed to fit in some sort of opinion in with her post. All Dennis said was that he didn't care. It's his choice but, goddamn it, THAT'S NOT ADVICE.

To all the rest, thanks for the advice. I look forward to reading more. I know I did a lot of focusing on the posts I didn't agree with but that's only because I find it difficult to say anything but "Thanks for the great advice" to the posts that were helpful unless something stands out.






DesFIP -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 3:47:29 PM)

However I see that you totally missed my point about the men wanting to engage you in conversation first about safety in order to determine if you are a safe person for them to play with. Because you don't appear that way. You do appear to be unaware of what the reality will be like which means that playing with you is a huge risk for them to spend ten years in jail. They may well not be writing to protect you, but to protect themselves and their fellow dominants.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 3:55:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curious23
At first I gave men the benefit of the doubt but you would not believe the patronizing mails I get. And there are SO many. "You do realize that anal sex will hurt for the first time, right?" Really? REALLY? You felt the need to explain that to me and call your intentions noble? If anything, you insult me.


Lots of good advice on here already. But I will say this. You are looking for something very specific. And that is fine. You are not required to respond to everyone who writes to you. So correspond only with those who you feel are approaching this the way you want. But I wouldn't discount every Dominant just because they want clarifications, or just because they are actually being thoughtful people. Be careful that you are not interpreting something that is well-intended as meaning, "oh, he thinks I'm dumb". Communication is a two-way street. There is what is said. There is what is perceived. And an on-going dialogue in the getting to know you phase sometimes means giving people the benefit of the doubt. Unless someone is writing an entire letter to you that suggests they think you are dumb, I would say, be cautious about honing in on one question, if the entire rest of the letter has been to your liking.

With that said, I have this to say about the quote above that I copied. Anal sex, even the first time, does NOT have to hurt. Yes, it's a fact. So, with respects to the statement above I would say that I disagree with both the man who sent you that note, but also with you. So, perhaps you are not as knowledgable as you think if you think that anal sex, even the first time "has" to hurt. And a man who sends that note to you, is clearly indicating that he doesn't know much about anal sex. So, the blind, leading the blind. If that is what you want, go ahead. But you might want to pause and learn a little more about certain things before finding the right Dominant for your rape play. I'm not sure how you are going to negotiate limits for a rape play scenario if you think anal sex has to hurt.

I will also say this from personal experience. I am heavily into resistance play and what some people might call rape play (although I'm not really into elaborate rape play scenarios, I think resistance play is a better description of my true interests). But, I only engage in this kind of play with a trusted partner. There is too much that can go wrong with someone new to you - and I would NEVER recommend this as play for a first time session. You are free to ignore the advice, or think that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to you and your understanding of what you seek. But I've been at exactly the type of play that you describe for a while. And some of your baseline assumptions are wrong.

No, you're not stupid. But being smart does not mean that you are knowledgable about everything on the face of the planet. So, you might want to reconsider whether you know that much about what you are seeking. I consider myself a smart cookie. I know a lot about literature, for example, but when it comes to theoretical physics, I would have to claim lack of knowledge. Doesn't make me stupid. [sm=2cents.gif]




curious23 -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 4:00:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

However I see that you totally missed my point about the men wanting to engage you in conversation first about safety in order to determine if you are a safe person for them to play with. Because you don't appear that way. You do appear to be unaware of what the reality will be like which means that playing with you is a huge risk for them to spend ten years in jail. They may well not be writing to protect you, but to protect themselves and their fellow dominants.


Engaging in a conversation about safety is not the same as sending an obligatory "Be careful". And the "Be careful" was what I referenced along with Duh-advice (it could get scary, etc...). I hope you can see the difference.




Casteele -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 8:50:29 PM)

I'm going to illustrate my thoughts first with a little exercise for the OP. Go find ten profiles at random, truly random, not just ones that somehow stick out or interest you, and read them. Then write to them and tell them exactly who you think they are based upon those profiles. Just be prepared for the responses you'll get, most of them won't be pretty and most will be just like yours; "You don't know a thing about me! Stop making such critical judgments about me based on so little evidence!"

The point to this is that a profile is nothing but an indicator, and indicators are understood from the start that they are ONLY an indicator, not a true, complete and accurate assessment of the material they are representing. While I understand that some or most people may come off as condescending or treating you like you're just a young and foolish girl who doesn't really understand what she's getting in to, and it can be quite frustrating for YOU.. But try to look at it from other perspectives. We see hundreds of profiles that scream "I want this or that" from many foolish young women who truly and really don't understand the full implications of effects of what they think they want. And we hear many bad stories about how they got exactly what they wanted, only to find out they truly did not want it after all.

Your profile and those experiences are all that we have in which to assess you and your desires. I've no doubt that some are the "white knight" type, some are the "I'll be the man who saves you from yourself" type, some are this and some are that, as other have said. But I'm betting that most are simply playing the 80-20 rule: When 80% of the people we see are of the "You really don't know what you are asking for" type, we tend to approach them with that attitude, accepting that we may make the wrong assumption and judgments about the 20% minority. So, if you're in that 20%, my advice is to just get used to it and not let it affect or jade you, or you'll end up miserable no matter what. Reality won't change, not for me, not for you, and the reality is that we're all human beings and act like human beings.

Consider your own post here, for example. Based on the responses you've gotten, you've jumped to assume that nearly anyone who writes such a comment to you is being condescending and assuming that you have not done your homework. While some may have explicitly stated such, have they all? Do you know for absolute fact that all the responses you received which put you off were in fact taking the attitude that you accuse them of taking?

I'm betting that you cannot be certain, you're not perfect and all-knowing. Neither are we.

I'm also betting that based upon something so little as a few words or maybe a few paragraphs in a single email, that you're judging their attitudes and beliefs, and extending that to an absolute, just as you accuse "us" of reading your short profile and making "snap judgments" that you're young and do not know what you are asking for.

So what's the real difference here between you and us? I don't see much. The specifics of the subject matter, maybe, but that's because you know yourself a lot better than we do, as we know ourselves a lot better than you do, do it still is not all that different, is it?

I guess what it comes down to is that if you expect others to meet standard in which you cannot meet yourself, you'll forever end up miserable and jaded. But if you expect others to be just as human as you, and learn to just shrug it off and move on, you'll greatly increase your chances of living happily and fulfilling your own goals and dreams. That is exactly why so many here take the attitude about unwelcome emails of "shrug, delete/ignore, move on, forget about it" rather than trying to "educate the masses about how wrong they are."

I'm actually fascinated by your fantasies and what you are looking for; I'm curious what drives them, and you. I'd already pondered contacting you and asking, but honestly, the way your present yourself in your profile pretty much put me off. It gave me the feeling that you would most likely respond exactly as you have in posting this thread--That you'd jump right in to making the same snap-judgments that you are making in saying that is what others are doing, and being quite harsh about it, rather than engaging in some genuine conversation about the topic. So, you see, how you present yourself really does make a difference, and when you consider how others respond to you, you should also consider how it is that you are presenting yourself that is encouraging others to respond as they have. As you said yourself, you do not exist in a vacuum; What you say and do affects others, and what they say and do affects you.






Rochsub2009 -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/23/2012 10:05:08 PM)

I wish I were as smart now as I was when I was 23.

That's not advice, nor is it aimed specifically at you, OP. It's just an odd reality that I think many of the older folks on here will agree with.

Good luck in your search.




DarkSteven -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/24/2012 4:10:57 AM)

OP. just letting you know, as a Dominant man, I tend to fee protective toward a sub woman that is new to the scene. In that, I'm not unique, and I know female subs that would also feel protective. In other words, IMO there's just something about the lifestyle that makes us keep an eye out for new female subs.




tameeks -> RE: I'm NOT stupid! (2/24/2012 5:53:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

OP. just letting you know, as a Dominant man, I tend to fee protective toward a sub woman that is new to the scene. In that, I'm not unique, and I know female subs that would also feel protective. In other words, IMO there's just something about the lifestyle that makes us keep an eye out for new female subs.



I just had to post to second this here. He's been awesome to me since I got here. I wub DS. Shhh, just don't tell Daddy.




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