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farglebargle -> The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/24/2012 5:55:08 PM)

If they respected the rank-and-file of the GOP, why would they throw this election in such a clear, obvious way?

Running two religious nuts against a guy who has NEVER kept a sacred oath he's sworn, and is therefore known to be untrustworthy, and therefore not qualified for the job, giving the election to Obama is pretty pathetic. But I guess they don't think they need to bother constructing a plausible narrative.




SternSkipper -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/24/2012 6:01:16 PM)

let em go all the way ... Winner Take All Cage Fight.... and we give Ron Paul a sharpened toothbrush handle so he isn't Rick's bitch in the first 2 minutes.





SoftBonds -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/24/2012 6:03:14 PM)

For a while, the Republican party was the party of fiscal responsibility. Then Reagan came along, and spent his way to a second term.
Now the Republicans need a Democrat to take over after a few years of having Republicans in charge to restore the budget so they will have the money for whatever odd idea they have next (e.g. invade Iraq and fund religious organizations under Bush using Clinton's surplus).




SternSkipper -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/24/2012 6:14:28 PM)

It was a typo ... they meant "fecal"




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/24/2012 8:09:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If they respected the rank-and-file of the GOP, why would they throw this election in such a clear, obvious way?

Running two religious nuts against a guy who has NEVER kept a sacred oath he's sworn, and is therefore known to be untrustworthy, and therefore not qualified for the job, giving the election to Obama is pretty pathetic. But I guess they don't think they need to bother constructing a plausible narrative.


Farg.....this is all they have!

EVERYONE had a chance to vote for Perot.

My Mom told me (then)..."JJ....why did you waste your vote?" (when she found out I voted for Perot).

I said "Mom.....I voted for the man that could do the job".

She spent a great deal of time explaining to me "you have a responsibility to vote for the man that can win!!!!!"

I explained to her (in my very young naivete') "No Mom, I don't....I have a responsibility to vote for the person that can best do the job....and I pray to God everyone else does the same".

I stopped voting when Gore won against Bush. Gore had the most votes but the Electoral College told me who my President was.

I voted for Bush....but he didn't win. Wish he hadn't (won).

And when it was clear to me my vote (never) mattered.....I stopped voting.

Gore won.

Perot should have won (in several elections preceding), but few had the balls to actually pull the hammer down for the guy who could have done the job.

I read a poll a few months after the (Perot) election.

They asked...."who did you vote for?" it was an assembly of votes....few of which were for Perot

Then they asked...."who do you wish would have won?"

63% said "Perot".

I don't vote any more....but for those that do....I REALLY fucking hope you vote for the best person....and not who you think "can win".

2 cents.




DarkSteven -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/24/2012 8:25:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If they respected the rank-and-file of the GOP, why would they throw this election in such a clear, obvious way?

Running two religious nuts against a guy who has NEVER kept a sacred oath he's sworn, and is therefore known to be untrustworthy, and therefore not qualified for the job, giving the election to Obama is pretty pathetic. But I guess they don't think they need to bother constructing a plausible narrative.


Ron Paul's chopped liver?




SoftBonds -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/24/2012 8:29:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If they respected the rank-and-file of the GOP, why would they throw this election in such a clear, obvious way?

Running two religious nuts against a guy who has NEVER kept a sacred oath he's sworn, and is therefore known to be untrustworthy, and therefore not qualified for the job, giving the election to Obama is pretty pathetic. But I guess they don't think they need to bother constructing a plausible narrative.


Ron Paul's chopped liver?

Yes, Ron Paul is chopped liver, and everyone knows chopped liver is excellent cat food, and Obama is a hip cat.
Since Republicans don't like Obama, they will not give the hip cat chopped liver, so obviously Paul can't win the Republican nomination.
Sorry, it is obvious once you realize the cat link.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/24/2012 9:14:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If they respected the rank-and-file of the GOP, why would they throw this election in such a clear, obvious way?

Running two religious nuts against a guy who has NEVER kept a sacred oath he's sworn, and is therefore known to be untrustworthy, and therefore not qualified for the job, giving the election to Obama is pretty pathetic. But I guess they don't think they need to bother constructing a plausible narrative.


Ron Paul's chopped liver?

Yes, Ron Paul is chopped liver, and everyone knows chopped liver is excellent cat food, and Obama is a hip cat.
Since Republicans don't like Obama, they will not give the hip cat chopped liver, so obviously Paul can't win the Republican nomination.
Sorry, it is obvious once you realize the cat link.



Ron Paul can win....IF people stop focusing on "who can win" and start focusing on "who should win".




GrandPoobah -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/25/2012 12:27:28 AM)

First, I think it's entirely possible the eventual GOP candidate isn't even running for the office right now. This mess could easily result in a "brokered convention" where none of these four can win the nomination, so the backroom boys summon somebody else. I hear names like Christie and Rubio and a couple others, but I'm not sure any of them want to be sacrificed after the disaster these folks have created.

Second, some of the problem dates back to 2009, when Senator Mitch McConnell said "the most important task for us in the next four years is to ensure that Obama is a one-term President." Under normal circumstances, that would have been seen as post-election rhetoric and quickly forgotten. However, every time the tea party wing of the GOP halts discussion, compromise, or threatens to bring down the whole economy, people remember McConnell's words, and it's become almost Fact the the GOP won't do anything for Americans because they want Obama to be seen as a failure. That may or may not be remotely true, but voters don't base decisions upon Truth...but rather Perception. The perception of the GOP isn't good, as the original post for this thread adroitly points out.

Third, the GOP is terribly fractured, and there is no candidate who will mend those wounds and re-assemble it. In order to hold the far Right, the candidates MUST appeal to that group. So...they throw out the "red meat" and the crowd screams, stomps their feet, and demands more. Sarah taught them that, although she never governed at the national level and had no clue. The effect is that in order to keep the far Right on your side, the candidate must alienate the moderate middle, and that's where the election is won or lost. Traditionally, there is 40% of the votes you can't lose, 40% you can't win, and 20% (in the middle) who will decide things. In today's GOP, if you go after that middle, you'll lose the votes you "can't lose."

At this point, unless something really unique happens, the GOP cannot possibly win in November. It could well be as resounding a defeat as McGovern had...winning 1 state and Washington DC. If the economy continues to slowly improve, and the GOP tries to make the election about social (and religious) issues, they will completely fail. It's the post election actions that will be interesting. The whole party would (likely will) implode, and that hasn't happened for a long time.




DomKen -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/25/2012 3:27:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If they respected the rank-and-file of the GOP, why would they throw this election in such a clear, obvious way?

Running two religious nuts against a guy who has NEVER kept a sacred oath he's sworn, and is therefore known to be untrustworthy, and therefore not qualified for the job, giving the election to Obama is pretty pathetic. But I guess they don't think they need to bother constructing a plausible narrative.


Ron Paul's chopped liver?

Yes, Ron Paul is chopped liver, and everyone knows chopped liver is excellent cat food, and Obama is a hip cat.
Since Republicans don't like Obama, they will not give the hip cat chopped liver, so obviously Paul can't win the Republican nomination.
Sorry, it is obvious once you realize the cat link.



Ron Paul can win....IF people stop focusing on "who can win" and start focusing on "who should win".

A lot of us are focused on who should win which is a big reason why neither Paul wil ever be President.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/25/2012 9:23:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If they respected the rank-and-file of the GOP, why would they throw this election in such a clear, obvious way?

Running two religious nuts against a guy who has NEVER kept a sacred oath he's sworn, and is therefore known to be untrustworthy, and therefore not qualified for the job, giving the election to Obama is pretty pathetic. But I guess they don't think they need to bother constructing a plausible narrative.


Ron Paul's chopped liver?

Yes, Ron Paul is chopped liver, and everyone knows chopped liver is excellent cat food, and Obama is a hip cat.
Since Republicans don't like Obama, they will not give the hip cat chopped liver, so obviously Paul can't win the Republican nomination.
Sorry, it is obvious once you realize the cat link.



Ron Paul can win....IF people stop focusing on "who can win" and start focusing on "who should win".

A lot of us are focused on who should win which is a big reason why neither Paul wil ever be President.


I don't know what that means....."neither Paul"?




SoftBonds -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/25/2012 10:11:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoftBonds


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If they respected the rank-and-file of the GOP, why would they throw this election in such a clear, obvious way?

Running two religious nuts against a guy who has NEVER kept a sacred oath he's sworn, and is therefore known to be untrustworthy, and therefore not qualified for the job, giving the election to Obama is pretty pathetic. But I guess they don't think they need to bother constructing a plausible narrative.


Ron Paul's chopped liver?

Yes, Ron Paul is chopped liver, and everyone knows chopped liver is excellent cat food, and Obama is a hip cat.
Since Republicans don't like Obama, they will not give the hip cat chopped liver, so obviously Paul can't win the Republican nomination.
Sorry, it is obvious once you realize the cat link.



Ron Paul can win....IF people stop focusing on "who can win" and start focusing on "who should win".

A lot of us are focused on who should win which is a big reason why neither Paul wil ever be President.


I don't know what that means....."neither Paul"?


Probably Ron Paul's son Rand...




Kirata -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/25/2012 10:16:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Probably Ron Paul's son Rand...

With Gingrich and Santorum in the race, he might mean the Biblical Paul.

K.




DomKen -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/26/2012 6:34:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
A lot of us are focused on who should win which is a big reason why neither Paul wil ever be President.


I don't know what that means....."neither Paul"?

Rand Paul is setting up a 2016 run for the Presidential nomination. That's why Ron has been making nice with the GOP establishment recently.




erieangel -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/26/2012 6:50:31 AM)

I'm of the opinion the GOP gave away the presidency in '08 with the selection of Palin for the VP slot. This time around they're not even bothering to nominate somebody sane for the top of the ticket who might actually win. The GOP knows they need the Dems in office 4-8 more years to fix the fuck up that was Bush's tenure. '10 was never to happen the way it did. The looney tea party folks weren't suppose to hold so much power. Which is why Boehner is so bad at his job--he is doing it on purpose.




xssve -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/26/2012 8:29:31 AM)

It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether you win.




Raiikun -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/26/2012 1:53:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
A lot of us are focused on who should win which is a big reason why neither Paul wil ever be President.


Being focused on who should win is why I actually registered Republican this year (despite feeling dirty doing so), so I could vote for Ron Paul.




farglebargle -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/26/2012 2:10:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xssve

It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether you win.


It's not whether you win or lose, it's how much revenue you generate for the Corporate Media companies that own you.

The only reason there's any sort of contest, is because suckers keep lining up to donate money. As long as Disney is making money off the nitwits, they're gonna keep promoting the 'contest'...

The REAL solution is to laugh at a candidate when they suggest any donations, and point out to them that they're getting a paycheck to do a job, and if they can't manage their money to provide for their own reelection out of what THEY'RE ALREADY GETTING PAID, then maybe they're not smart enough to represent anyone?

Then once individual contributions dry up, you then stigmitize corporate spending on campaigning, so that the idea of a corporation spending shareholder resources on politics becomes identical to using corporate resources to rape children.




GrandPoobah -> RE: The RNC has nothing but contempt for its members... (2/26/2012 2:24:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel

I'm of the opinion the GOP gave away the presidency in '08 with the selection of Palin for the VP slot. This time around they're not even bothering to nominate somebody sane for the top of the ticket who might actually win. The GOP knows they need the Dems in office 4-8 more years to fix the fuck up that was Bush's tenure. '10 was never to happen the way it did. The looney tea party folks weren't suppose to hold so much power. Which is why Boehner is so bad at his job--he is doing it on purpose.


Unfortunately Boehner is in charge of a complete circus. He's got the lions and tigers running around in the same caucus as the clowns, and they simply don't play well together. In some ways I feel sorry for the man, but...he ran for the position so he has no one to blame but himself. If they were "functional"...even if "wrong"...it wouldn't be so bad, but they can't even be functional within their own world, let alone share the planet with humans.




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