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toodesireme2 -> thinking about going another way (2/25/2012 6:25:01 PM)

thinking about not being a slave and thinking about training to be a mistress....any suggestions and how do i go about by training to me come a domme/mistress?




hangemhigh1953 -> RE: thinking about going another way (2/25/2012 6:31:21 PM)

The best bottoms make the best tops... So if you have experience as a bottom you're probably off to a good start. Classes at local dungeons might be a good step too - ask around or search Fet to see if there's anything in your area.

If you specifically want to be a Pro Domme, maybe find a dungeon you'd like to work at, maybe they will be willing to train you if they think you have potential.




toodesireme2 -> RE: thinking about going another way (2/25/2012 10:35:33 PM)

thank you ..... i will do my search for a local dungeon. (a pro domme dungeon right?)




hangemhigh1953 -> RE: thinking about going another way (2/25/2012 10:40:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: toodesireme2

thank you ..... i will do my search for a local dungeon. (a pro domme dungeon right?)

Depends on whether you want to be a pro or a lifestyler. Which do you want to do more?




DarkSteven -> RE: thinking about going another way (2/26/2012 3:43:01 AM)

OP, I'm not following. The best subs/slaves are those who want to submit. The best Dommes/Mistresses are those who want to control. It's a part of your personality, not something you wake up and decide to change. That said, there are switches that are able to accommodate either role.

You cannot train to be Dominant or submissive. Like I said, it's a part of your personality.

That said, feel free to try out either role on and see how well it suits you. You'll have no lack of Dom and sub men eager to scene with you.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: thinking about going another way (2/26/2012 11:59:42 AM)

~FR~
I used to be a sub and just gradually switched over (lol) to being a Domme. My experience as a sub and knowing how things feel on the receiving end only helped me as I became a Domme. It's kind of like, I started out as a nursing assistant and then became an LPN. Since I'd already been a nursing assistant, the nursing assistants said I made an excellent supervisor over them because I understood the job they do and their needs.

NBMG




wittynamehere -> RE: thinking about going another way (2/26/2012 12:02:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: toodesireme2

thinking about not being a slave and thinking about training to be a mistress....any suggestions and how do i go about by training to me come a domme/mistress?

You can't change who you are simply by deciding to be someone new. But you can change your behaviours fairly easily. So yeah, you could easily learn what to do and say to be a "dominatrix" or "mistress". But if you aren't dominant, you can't just make yourself dominant by wishing for it to happen. Dominance comes from within you, it's not a set of actions.




DominaCeleste -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/12/2012 2:51:54 PM)

Although I agree that being Dominant is something that comes from within, I disagree with some of these replies. There is a lot to learn about becoming a good Domina and you can start by reading. Find websites (try Googling "FemDom Education") that are interesting. A great book to start with is "Screw the Roses..." You can find it at http://www.amazon.com/Screw-Roses-Send-Thorns-Sadomasochism/dp/0964596008 It's not only informative it's loving, passionate and even humorous.
Before you even pick up a toy to use on another person make damn sure you know what you're doing. After all, it's OK to hurt our slaves but it's not OK to damage them!




LadyPact -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/12/2012 2:57:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

OP, I'm not following. The best subs/slaves are those who want to submit. The best Dommes/Mistresses are those who want to control. It's a part of your personality, not something you wake up and decide to change. That said, there are switches that are able to accommodate either role.

You cannot train to be Dominant or submissive. Like I said, it's a part of your personality.

That said, feel free to try out either role on and see how well it suits you. You'll have no lack of Dom and sub men eager to scene with you.

On first glance, I'm going to agree with this.  I think it's more accurate to say that you can train to be a top, but not so much to train to be a Dominant.  For some of us, there really is a difference.  Topping is something that you  do.  Being Dominant is more about who you are. 




FrostedFlake -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/13/2012 1:00:45 AM)

I am ignorant, of course, but I completely miss the idea of 'training' to be a top.

I'm not trying to start a debate. But I think it is like anything else. You start small. If that goes well, you try a little more. If it doesn't go well, you have lived and learned. Like any journey, you get where you are going one step at a time. The direction of each step doesn't have to be the same, but if most of them are you will in short order find you have walked way over there.

If you want to see if the grass is a little greener, take a little walk. It's not a commitment. You can always walk back.




Wickad -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/13/2012 8:30:32 PM)

I do agree that you are either a Dominant or you aren't. That being said you can learn to be a Top. Learning to be a Top just means acquiring the right skills (ie: how to flog, how to use wax, etc). Anyone can learn these skills but learning and wanting to control and dominate someone is something much more inherent.

Wickad




ProlificNeeds -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/14/2012 6:17:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

OP, I'm not following. The best subs/slaves are those who want to submit. The best Dommes/Mistresses are those who want to control. It's a part of your personality, not something you wake up and decide to change. That said, there are switches that are able to accommodate either role.

You cannot train to be Dominant or submissive. Like I said, it's a part of your personality.

That said, feel free to try out either role on and see how well it suits you. You'll have no lack of Dom and sub men eager to scene with you.



I don't entirely agree with that.

A person can be trained to be assertive and controlling, to aquire leadership skills.

However I agree that won't change their sexual/romantic orientation, only add a skillset, the same as learning how to be good at public speaking.




MsSylverdawn -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/14/2012 2:13:58 PM)

You can train to be what is called a Service Top.... someone who services as a skilled person can be acquired.. like learning to be a plumber.. you learn a specific skill set and you offer it out. Now that can be done for various means and by various methods. Service tops require you to be neither submissive nor dominant in nature. I know alot of pro dominas who are great service tops... it is a specialized skill set that they offer to the public for a price. Now can you train to be dominant I suppose you can through specific behavior modifications. I mean it must be possible we have a standing miliatry after all.. But in the general sense I dont think you can train to be authentically what you are not in your soul.




ElanSubdued -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/14/2012 5:17:59 PM)

toodesireme2,

The debate about whether you can or cannot train to become dominant, in my opinion, misses the mark.  If you want to control someone, play with someone, and do dominant and/or toppy things, go right ahead.  Leadership and vision come to those willing to learn the skills they need and to take steps in that direction.

There are many different styles of leaders.  One dichotomy is those who are born with leadership traits versus those who acquire these.  However, there are many other ways to gain dominant, leadership skills and, indeed, many of us take on leadership roles in life because we must, or because we enjoy it, or to gain more control in our lives, or for a myriad other reasons.

There is a big difference between a professional dominant and someone who wishes to take on a dominant role in their relationship(s).  Personally, I don't think going to a professional dungeon is the right step.  My recommendation is to find local BDSM groups in your area that meet to discuss dominance.  You can find these by searching the groups and events on FetLife.  Also, you can seek partners willing to submit to you and willing to help you learn.  Other dominants may make great teachers, but submissives you know and trust may also make great teachers.

Reading books on leadership is one place to glean information.  You can also find specific books on BDSM geared toward developing dominance.  As a start, the two companion books The New Topping Book and The New Bottoming Book are a good place to get ideas about the psychological aspects of dominating someone.  There are also tips on negotiation, conflict resolution, safety, and many other things a dominant should be aware of in those two books.

Your own mind is a wonderful playground to explore.  Consider, for example, scenarios that turn you on and that you might like to try on a partner.  There is nothing wrong with going to a partner and saying "I'd like to try X;  are you willing to do X with me".  Many types of play do require some learning before engaging and I recommend asking others in your local BDSM community for advice and experience.  Again, FetLife is a great place to find local BDSM groups where you can meet people and exchange ideas.

As a starting place, there are play scenes you can do that are safe and for which you can use your own common sense.  One example is what is called an "inspection" scene.  Prepare a room so it is warm and inviting.  Add candlelight, some nice music, and whatever else sets an erotic mood.  Tell your partner to undress and put on a blindfold you've provided.  Then, with your partner in front of you (or on the floor, or laying on a bed, or wherever you command them to be), tell your partner you're going to inspect their body.  Use your eyelashes, breath, fingers, tongue, breasts, belly, thighs, feet, and entire body to inspect them.  Play in that lovely arena between touch and no touch... caressing, tasting, rubbing, and feeling every part of your partner's body that interests you.  Personally, I love the intimacy, sensation, and reaction of using different parts of my face to explore my partner.  For example, the tip of the nose can explore lips, the nape of the neck, the navel, thighs, and other sensitive parts of the body.  Eyelashes are another favourite, built-in "exploration tool".

If your goal is simply to explore, there doesn't need to be sexual release (for you or for your partner).  However, if you want this, you can add it.  After you've heated your partner up, you might masturbate while watching your partner's naked body in the candlelight.  I can almost guarantee your partner will enjoy listening to your sounds.  And, the fact your partner can only listen and not touch you will increase the eroticism.  Conversely, you might decide to add some sexual touch to your "exploration" and this could include masturbating your partner while they are blindfolded.  It's quite a powerful and enjoyable feeling to have control over your partner's pleasure and sexual response.  To add an extra element of control, you can put your partner in "mental bondage" by telling them they are not to move from where you place them.  Then, proceed to explore and arouse them as you wish.

Although you are putting yourself in a dominant role, ignore fantasy notions the ilk of "it's all about me;  I'm dominant so I can do whatever I want".  You have needs.  Your partners have needs.  And, a leader of any skill realizes they cannot do anything simply because they have the power to do so.  Yes, I suppose, you can do what you like, but if you want to keep your partner around you had better consider their needs and you certainly want to maintain their safety (and your own) at all times.

Okay.  I hope something in here is useful to you.  By the way, I'm a submissive who became a dominant, who swiched back to submissive, and who now entirely ignores labels.  I do what I do (with partners) because we enjoy ourselves, because we have affection for each other, and because we respect each other.  I suppose I identify more as a submissive than as a dominant, but to a partner on the receiving side of my bondage, dominance, and sadism, I honestly don't think, in the moment, they are terribly concerned with labels either.  For me, BDSM is about making human connections and those connections organically go wherever they go.




VanessaChaland -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/14/2012 11:57:13 PM)

Human beings personalities evolve and change. Where some might me meek, mild, submissive or passive at one point in their life, they may be roaring, dominant, bossy in later years. If you are looking at this as an aspect of your sexuality just follow your heart. If you are looking at it from a career standpoint, I would suggest you go to college. :)




LookieNoNookie -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/15/2012 12:14:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: toodesireme2

thinking about not being a slave and thinking about training to be a mistress....any suggestions and how do i go about by training to me come a domme/mistress?



I just looked....you're not old enough to know Abbey Road or Uma Guma so, we can't talk but I CAN tell you this.....go where you want to go.





vield -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/15/2012 12:44:17 AM)

This is NOT an unusual situation, toodesireme2.

Many people begin getting into the kinky life just trying one thing that they have wanted and thought about. Often as they begin to learn and to play, they feel they need to learn more things, and to try more things.

Even in these "progressive" modern days with all of our internet resources, I often find women new to the scene thinking they should be subs, slaves or bottoms because they are women, and men thinking they should be tops, doms or masters because they are male.

Often they try to force themselves into roles which really are not right for them.

Sometimes we try something because a partner we care about really wants that, whether or not it fits our needs. One of the hottest subs I've ever known began her kinky life when boyfriends talked her into topping them. She loved the literature and the porn, she loved the meetings and discussions but got totally bored topping them. Once she learned SHE needed to be the one surrendering, her life became very good! For you the opposite could be true.

Keeping an open mind, making dom and sub and switch friends in the BDSM community in your area, attending meetings, munches and events, and working out trying things you think you may like with people you trust is in my opinion a good way to go.

Everyone IS different. For me, if the interaction between a woman's personal charisma and mine draws her to her knees, I can dom her. If that personal energy interaction draws me to my knees, she can dom me. It really does not matter in one of us is dom or sub to the entire rest of the community but sub to me or me to her, our interaction determines who can be in charge.

An open minded but inexperienced dominant can have a LOT of fun learning from an open minded and very experienced sub or slave. As a submissive it can get very magickal helping a dominant learn to master me!

Good luck to you on your journey, and I hope you have a very fun ride!





ElanSubdued -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/15/2012 8:17:47 AM)

VanessaChaland,

quote:

Human beings personalities evolve and change.  Where some might be meek, mild, submissive, or passive at one point in their life, they may be roaring, dominant, and bossy in later years.  If you are looking at this as an aspect of your sexuality, just follow your heart.  If you are looking at it from a career standpoint, I would suggest you go to college. :)


Though I agree with your initial point, I don't so much see this as a scale one moves along.  Rather, these are facets of personality and few people I've met aren't multifaceted.  There are times when even my most self-assured, dominant partner melts into a puddle of passivity and self-doubt and needs me to hold her, caress her, and put her back together.  At those moments, though I may be administering care and love, a take-charge aspect of my personality comes out because this is what is needed to look after my partner.

In terms of aspects of sexuality versus career desires, I don't see these as entirely separate things.  People chose to display and use different parts of their personalities in different situations, but the sum of that person is still there.  For example, taking a course on the psychology of how groups form in a business environment may well provide insight that is useful in personal relationships and as a dominant too.  And, in business, there are certainly moments when one must follow their heart and have faith that their intuition is correct.  I'll admit, I have a strong fetish in this regard.  The mind of an intelligent, multifaceted woman is a strong aphrodisiac and this same woman's ability to show vulnerability and a need for softness and tenderness is just as enticing.

Side note for toodesireme2:  Some of my most dominant partners have been soft-spoken, gentle individuals.  Being dominant isn't about barking orders and making demands.  It is about seeking enjoyment, play, and relationships you wish on your terms, and having the desire and leadership skills to make this happen.  Effective dominants know how to use the resources around them.  As with any individual, a dominant may not have all the answers, but they're willing to learn and thus seek answers from experts in different areas.  This isn't an "all at once" kind of thing.  Rather, it evolves.  You can exercise dominance simply by deciding to make a certain experience happen for yourself and/or for your partner and negotiating with your partner so that this does indeed happen as you wish.

Note the importance of negotiation and compromise.  There may be fundamental things a dominant will not compromise on, but for those things that aren't of significance in getting to the dominant's goals, the dominant negotiates and compromises accordingly.  In order to get to a specific goal with a given partner, it may take several baby steps and this is something effective dominants recognize too.  All partners have needs, wants, fears, and limitations, and understanding these and working with them so that all partners get what they need is one of the most important skills a dominant must master.  This is why, for example, with one dominant I might outright refuse to do an activity, but with another dominant (who recognizes my needs and fears, and is willing to go at a pace that works for me) I may readily agree to the same activity.




GloriousMorning -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/15/2012 11:00:18 AM)

A for effort, but funny how it looks so different from the Dominants perspective.




ElanSubdued -> RE: thinking about going another way (4/15/2012 11:29:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GloriousMorning
A for effort, but funny how it looks so different from the Dominants perspective.


This is actually part of what I'm discussing.  There isn't a general "dominant's perspective" that applies to all dominants.  Each dominant has their own perspective and their own needs, just as their partners do.  There is no one way to becoming a dominant or to being dominant.




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