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Fightdirecto -> By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 3:07:26 PM)

Progressives - Go Galt!

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If you're a conservative who thinks Ayn Rand called it true with this producers/parasites thing, then by all means: let's go there. All the way there — and then some. But fair warning is in order: you may not like where we end up.

By way of a modest proposal, I hereby declare the birth of a new Progressive Objectivism — a frankly producerist personal-responsibility crusade aimed at getting these whiny red leeches off our collective blue hide. If they think they can get by without us, let’s not stand in their way. What these people need from us, at minimum, is some tough talk — the kind of stern, grown-up verbal whoop-ass the conservatives wouldn’t hesitate for a moment to unload on us if the roles were reversed.

The time has come for blue America to go Galt. Our farewell rant — long and epic, as Rand's turgid writing style would have required — might sound a bit like this:

FIRST off, dear Red Staters: If your town’s economy depends on a nearby dam, canal, harbor, airport, military base, interstate highway, national park or monument, or prison, just STFU. Because you are, in every way possible, a parasite, living off something the rest of us paid to build.

SECOND: If you are a homeowner who takes a mortgage interest deduction — which is how the rest of us subsidize your house, and with it your status in the middle-class — we don’t want to hear another word from you about how you made it all on your own. And that goes for those of you who got your education via the GI Bill, or took out an SBA loan, or went to well-funded public schools back when such things existed. You are what you are because we believed in you, and invested in you. And we’re deeply insulted that you refuse to even acknowledge that fact.

THIRD: Don't come crawling to us to support those kids you couldn't afford to have, but refused to allow contraception or abortions or actual fact-based sex education to prevent. It's just that simple. Our blue-state babies are better off in every way that matters because we plan our families. A failure to plan on your part does not create an obligation on ours. Your policies force women to have kids, even when they're patently not ready to have them. Now (as you’re so fond of telling women who find themselves unhappily pregnant), you get to live with the consequences of those choices.

FOURTH: Don't ask us to pay to educate your kids if you're not willing to have us teach them what we know about the world. We believe in free, comprehensive, rigorous and reality-based public education because it’s done more than any other government service to make us rich, powerful and successful; and we want the same for you.

We realize some of you aren't too keen on public schools. It's great that you want to take on more personal responsibility for educating your own kids. Just be warned: if you don't teach them real science and real history — including evolution, climate change and the actual contents of the US Constitution — we're probably not going to hire them. So we hope you're also ready to take responsibility for that, too, which will probably mean supporting your grown kids in your basement until you die.

FIFTH: Between federal water reclamation projects and farm subsidies, we are paying you zillions of dollars to grow stuff we'd actually rather not eat. Don’t look now, but those of us in blue cities and states are moving away from your petrochemical-saturated GMO-bred CAFO-grown industrial “food” products as fast as we possibly can. There aren’t enough organic and community-supported farms to feed all of us yet — but we have taken responsibility for this, and are working hard on the problem. You can either get on this train, or holler at it while it flattens you. What you cannot do is yell at us because we don’t want to eat what you choose to grow.

Notice, too, that the only reason we’re having to subsidize you in the first place is that the all-holy free market does not bless you with profits on this crap. In your own book, that makes you a capital-L Loser. In ours, we’ll settle for “parasite.”

SIXTH: We are so over your bigotry. Again: we know from our own long experience that including women, gays and minorities makes us not only culturally richer; it also makes us more economically productive as well. And the recent economic meltdown has shown us that monocultures run exclusively by rich white men tend to stagnate into breeding pools for all kinds of social and financial parasites, who then come forward to prey on those least able to resist -- like you.

Diversity isn’t just an idealistic fetish for us: we do it because we think it makes us richer on every front that matters. If “parasite” is just another word for “people who willfully make bad choices that keep them poor and ignorant,” then your prejudices by definition make you parasites. And we are not, therefore, obliged to deal with you.

And FINALLY: If you want to pretend global warming isn't happening, you do not get to come whining to us when you get hit with droughts or floods. We're not going to send FEMA to bail you out. We're not going to build canals to give you our water. We're not going to fund your levees. If you're so sure God will provide, go ask him to keep your reservoirs full and your cities dry. Because we resign.

That’s the point of going Galt: it’s a big fat tantrum designed to prove just how important you are in the grand scheme of things. (The tactic is also not unfamiliar to any mother who’s gone on a protracted housekeeping strike to gain appreciation from an uncooperative family.) If others have to suffer hardship to learn the lesson — well, that’ll teach 'em. The emotionally satisfying goal is to get the parasites to come back, begging on their knees for your vital help and resources. They know now, in a way they didn't before, that they cannot survive without you.

Would that we had the guts to go Galt. We probably don't; it's just not in our natures to tell people who are hurting to go to hell, or leverage our economic might to get the political upper-hand. But there's nothing stopping us from pointing out, loudly and often, exactly who is really who in this producers-versus-parasites relationship. We didn't draw that ridiculous battle line -- but maybe it's time for us to accept their terms of engagement, stake our rightful claim as the country's actual producer class, and show them just how tall and proud we are to stand on our far more fertile ground.




Fightdirecto -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 3:10:39 PM)

Go Galt!

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farglebargle -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 3:17:19 PM)

I like that point. If you deny a woman reproductive healthcare, you increase the burden on the public.




Edwynn -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 3:56:45 PM)



Testimony given. Here we have the indisputable proof that some people think that mere bigotry is not enough. What is needed, they apparently feel, is a thirty-two pound sledge hammer of the most callously presumptuous and outrageously asinine sort of bigotry, such as this foam-mouthed rant ... to save the day.

Oh, this will definitely solve our problems.


Another option would be preventing the ongoing super tanker convoy of cash from residents of blue states (where all the money is, coz they are better at stealing from the rest of the country) to the the wackiest political causes wherever they reside. But that would require having a clue.

Never mind, the bigotry is lots more fun.

Sorry to interrupt.







Fightdirecto -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 4:28:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
Testimony given. Here we have the indisputable proof that some people think that mere bigotry is not enough. What is needed, they apparently feel, is a thirty-two pound sledge hammer of the most callously presumptuous and outrageously asinine sort of bigotry, such as this foam-mouthed rant ... to save the day.
Oh, this will definitely solve our problems.
Another option would be preventing the ongoing super tanker convoy of cash from residents of blue states (where all the money is, coz they are better at stealing from the rest of the country) to the the wackiest political causes wherever they reside. But that would require having a clue.
Never mind, the bigotry is lots more fun.
Sorry to interrupt.

So stating the fact that the hardworking liberals and moderates are supporting dead-beat conservatives with their taxes is "bigotry" against dead-beat conservatives?

Is stating the fact that if you drop something, it will fall to the ground "bigotry" against gravity?

Is stating the fact that the sky is a shade of blue (except in inclement weather) "bigotry" against the atmosphere?

Is stating the fact that if you walk outside during a rain storm, you will get wet "bigotry" against rain storms?

Is stating that fact that Idi Amin, Ghadafi, Sadam Hussain, Stalin and Hitler were dictators "bigotry" against Idi Amin, Ghadafi, Sadam Hussain, Stalin and Hitler?

Is it the 2012 Conservative position that facts are "bigotry" - or is just your personal position ?

It must be difficult to be you when you're faced with, and have to deal with, the "bigotry" of facts.

But, as Stephen Colbert once said, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."




SLRN158782985 -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 4:54:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Go Galt!

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*Double thumbs up!*




DaddySatyr -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 5:02:22 PM)

I stopped reading as soon as the OP suggested that the MGIB was a "give-away". What horse crap.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Owner59 -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 5:35:02 PM)

Fact:

The poorer states get back more fed dollars than they pay in......and tend to be red-states.......

Question:

So when are these red-staters going to live within their means without taking hand-outs and give-aways and gubment cheese from the liberal New Yorkers and Hollywood elites?

General reply:

It`s interesting that Rand coincidentally has become so popular......just after bush and the neo-cons threw her and every one of her principles under the bus.




Edwynn -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 6:11:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Is stating that fact that Idi Amin, Ghadafi, Sadam Hussain, Stalin and Hitler were dictators "bigotry" against Idi Amin, Ghadafi, Sadam Hussain, Stalin and Hitler?



No, but ignoring the fact that all of them had significant support from Western powers or corporations residing therein, in preference to jumping up and down and incessantly repeating the obvious about what bad guys they were is pointless and nothing but useless distraction.


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Is it the 2012 Conservative position that facts are "bigotry" - or is just your personal position ?



You'll have to ask them about your first question. To the second question, they wouldn't have any more clue than you do, but they are at least as presumptuous as you are. You guys will get along just fine on that one.


Those who cannot recognize right off the bat the major problem this whole red/blue state thing presents in terms of prejudice, for a multitude of reasons, leave a person with only one conclusion about the proponents of it. Even though that sentence is not speaking to an individual, I'll stay in the spirit of TOS on this one and not state what that conclusion is. Those who know don't need to be told in any event.


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But, as Stephen Colbert once said, "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."




What a non-surprise. After all that you unwittingly quote a man born and raised in a red state.







erieangel -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 6:22:37 PM)

I read this article this morning before work. I've also been hearing for years how the red states take more federal tax dollars than they pay. The comments on alternet, where I read this piece were interesting. Some went so far as to suggest that it isn't enough to look at the states, we should be looking at each county to compare their federal taxes paid vs. federal taxes received. I would wager that it would mostly hold true--counties in heavily blue states would less federal tax dollars than those in red states because the state government takes in fewer.




SternSkipper -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 6:38:55 PM)

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Go Galt!


Awesome sticker!




Owner59 -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 6:41:05 PM)

Alaska is one of the biggest offenders........they would be a 3rd world back-water with a few spots of wealth and comfort here and there if it wasn`t for massive federal investment.

Even with their oil and fishing businesses.....they could NEVER afford the highways and infrastructures the federal government provides Alaska,all on their own.




Edwynn -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 7:01:01 PM)


You are at least putting some thought process to it. There are lots more details than that too. But the whole concept of the red/blue contrivance was for purpose of serving those who prefer political ranting to troubling themselves with details.

In the SE at least, many of the poor counties spoken of have an even higher percentage of black population than the region itself already does, within which higher portion of poor. Something overlooked in all the ranting about how much money 'red states' take.

But the whole concept of labeling a state or region or county as 'red' or 'blue' allows a convenient stigmata for the simpleton political types to label everyone within that geographical territory, regardless of how any individuals actually voted. A state could have voted 49% 'blue,' but every resident within, the entire political makeup, the alleged geist of the whole state, are nevertheless now labeled as 'red'.

One thing I do know is that three of Jesse Helms' four elections in NC were plenty close enough that if it weren't for all the money being poured into his endeavor from residents of NY and CA, among other 'blue' states, there's a better than even chance he would have lost at least one if not two of those elections.

The politician that has done the most harm to the country in many decades, by way of starting the ball rolling on allowing corporations to usurp the democratic process, was born and raised in a Midwestern  'blue' state and started his political career and had great success in a large Pacific coast  'blue' state before coming to the highest office in the land, and there's little imagination needed to guess the political color of the states whose residents put the lion's share of money and effort toward that cause.







Musicmystery -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 7:04:01 PM)

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SoftBonds -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 7:06:21 PM)

When I lived in Alaska, the Federal Government paid $6 in Alaska for services for each $1 in taxes collected. Might have gone down some since then.
Still, it would be a wonderful idea to propose that, as a way of reducing Federal spending, no state could receive more in Federal spending than, say, 110% of the money it's citizens paid in taxes. New England, the Mid Atlantic States, and the West Coast wouldn't notice. The bible belt would go into a great depression...




Edwynn -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 7:07:52 PM)


Modern art indeed.

That's purty.







Owner59 -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 7:14:08 PM)

What`s best about this dig is the victims of it aren`t the poor,out-of-the-loop,nameless/faceless people cons like to dump on........ but rather it`s the connected and powerful folks who run those parasitical republican states with mud on their faces........




erieangel -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 7:15:57 PM)

SoftBonds, I like the way you think. You should contact your congress critter about it, I will do the same.




Edwynn -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 7:23:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

When I lived in Alaska, the Federal Government paid $6 in Alaska for services for each $1 in taxes collected. Might have gone down some since then.
Still, it would be a wonderful idea to propose that, as a way of reducing Federal spending, no state could receive more in Federal spending than, say, 110% of the money it's citizens paid in taxes. New England, the Mid Atlantic States, and the West Coast wouldn't notice. The bible belt would go into a great depression...


Hey, I'd be all in favor of that, as long as we don't stop there. It would be an even better idea to propose that the SE states prohibit the predatory lending companies headquartered in blue states form doing business there, and that these same companies and the investment banks in the blue states cannot sic their pit bull ratings agency from NY, Standard & Poors, down to Georgia and announce that all their bond ratings are being pulled in that state until the legislature vote to rescind the previously enacted predatory lending law it had passed.

Lots more where that came from. All the financial deregulation enacted at the federal level at the behest of a blue state's investment bankers that resulted in more foreclosures and layoffs and more poor people nationwide. How many people in Oklahoma or Alabama were screaming for Credit Default Swaps?


The 'bible belt' would be noticeably less poor, that's a fact.






Owner59 -> RE: By Ayn Rand's Standards, Red States Are the Parasites (2/29/2012 7:37:08 PM)

As long as the gun makers in red states stop flooding and super saturating our streets with with cheap hang guns.......maybe we can make a deal.[:D]

Do something about all that meth and we`ll stop it with the gay marriage stuff......[;)]

But since Ms. Rand is a conservative icon and mythical hero to republicans who trashed folks who took money they didn`t earn........the thread does kinda shoot holes in the whole GOP-as-economic-conservatives narrative.......Yes?




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