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Raiikun -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 1:27:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Christianity promotes itself as the 'religion of love'. If it tolerates hate-motivated acts in its name, it has abandoned the principles that, according to its own account, makes it what it is. In short it has ceased to behave as a religion and is now something else. This statement kinda bugs me...is "Christianity" a person? How can it "tolerate" or "not tolerate" acts done in it's name? I know as individuals, lots of us Christians don't tolerate hate-motivated acts done by those claiming to be Christians. For example, here in Topeka, it's not been unusual for Christians to be among those protesting against Westboro. (I've got a few sign ideas that I think will be hilarious for future protests btw hehe). But somehow those of us that actually follow the teachings of Christ ("relaxed and groovy" according to Eddie Izzard) don't get the same attention as the Phelpses and other asses.

tweakabelle -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 1:56:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Christianity promotes itself as the 'religion of love'. If it tolerates hate-motivated acts in its name, it has abandoned the principles that, according to its own account, makes it what it is. In short it has ceased to behave as a religion and is now something else. This statement kinda bugs me...is "Christianity" a person? How can it "tolerate" or "not tolerate" acts done in it's name? I know as individuals, lots of us Christians don't tolerate hate-motivated acts done by those claiming to be Christians. For example, here in Toperattention as the Phelpses and other asses. I sympathise with your position Raikun. I would imagine lots of genuine Christians are uncomfortable with the status quo too. There is no mention in the OP of the Catholic Church intervening to stop petty acts of bigotry, or the use of the parish website to promote partisan politics, much less condemning such petty bigotry against the Girl Guides. Do you feel that a stronger line against the bigots by Church authorities might help counter the image that you find unfortunate? Is this silence or perception of silence (or even some of the attempts to excuse bigotry as we see earlier in the thread) adding to this perception?

SternSkipper -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 3:58:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Christianity promotes itself as the 'religion of love'. If it tolerates hate-motivated acts in its name, it has abandoned the principles that, according to its own account, makes it what it is. In short it has ceased to behave as a religion and is now something else. This statement kinda bugs me...is "Christianity" a person? How can it "tolerate" or "not tolerate" acts done in it's name? I think it depends a lot on whether HG Wells was right, or just really high.

SternSkipper -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 4:08:16 PM)
quote: I sympathise with your position Raikun. I would imagine lots of genuine Christians are uncomfortable with the status quo too. Ummmm I just want to ask something. Can you share with us what your denomination of faith you follow? Or are you an atheist or agnostic. I will tell you what I think. Since the very nature of Christianity is based on a very individual relationship with three facets of the same higher being.... and if we are to be concerned with our own individual acts. Why would I feel any guilt for what people not truly worshiping do? Of course there are things I see that I resent. But they are on the whole misuse of name and title. Please, since you're asking questions of us about our faith. Give us some insight to yours.

SoftBonds -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 4:35:19 PM)
Proof that the Girl Scouts of America support Planned Parenthood: 1. GSA is composed of girls. 2. Girls grow up to be mothers. 3. Mothers need medical care. 4. Planned Parenthood provides a lot of medical care for women. QED: GSA supports Planned Parenthood... (note that by the same logic, the Catholic Church supports Planned Parenthood LOL)

DaddySatyr -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 4:44:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven About time to revoke its tax-exempt status. Yes! Now, we need to legislate what organizations churches have to allow to use their facilities! That'll teach 'em! We can use church basements as BDSM dungeons for the under-privilaged kinksters. You're hatred is showing. Peace and comfort, Michael

DarkSteven -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 4:47:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven About time to revoke its tax-exempt status. Yes! Now, we need to legislate what organizations churches have to allow to use their facilities! That'll teach 'em! We can use church basements as BDSM dungeons for the under-privilaged kinksters. You're hatred is showing. Peace and comfort, Michael Nope. Churches are tax exempt under the separation of church and state. If a religion begins acting like a PAC, they are no longer apolitical. Not a case of hatred. Hell, I attended Catholic masses for fifteen years when married to a Catholic. It's just that when churches tell us how to vote, they've overstepped a line.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 4:53:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Not a case of hatred. Hell, I attended Catholic masses for fifteen years when married to a Catholic. It's just that when churches tell us how to vote, they've overstepped a line. How is this a case of them telling us how to vote? Are you serious? It's a case of: "We don't like who you associate with. I'm sorry but you can no longer use our facility (at a very nominal fee)" I have attended many an AA meeting in many a Catholic church basement. I have seen meetings "thrown out" because of some of the things that went on at the meetings (fights, failure to clean up, after, etc.). By your logic, the church wants people to be hopeless drunks? Peace and comfort, Michael

DarkSteven -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 5:02:09 PM)
Under the concept of separation of church and state, the state is not supposed to dictate how we are to worship, and the religions are not supposed to tell us what politics to follow. This is tricky because they can, and should, make us subscribe to a moral code. I apologize for being unclear - what I should have mentioned is that the original linked article stated that the church "does prominently address the issue of the Obama administration's recent mandate regarding insurance coverage for contraceptives, even by religious institutions." That's past the line. I'm also steamed that the church banned Girl Scouts for something it did not do. It has not supported Planned Parenthood yet is taking flak as though it had done so. That's not a violation of separation of church and state, but it is perpetuating a rumor and penalizing GSA for something they didn't do.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 5:08:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I apologize for being unclear - what I should have mentioned is that the original linked article stated that the church "does prominently address the issue of the Obama administration's recent mandate regarding insurance coverage for contraceptives, even by religious institutions." That's past the line. Yeah, I read the article. The church is not allowed to voice an opinion? Jumpin' Jay Hossenfat! Seriously? There's no secret that the church is not in love with most politicians. They find an excuse to condemn just about all of them. You're doing what the left accuses the right of doing and your ideas are a bit dangerous. You're trying to silence those whose opinions you (vehemently, I guess?) disagree with. It's a non-issue. A group that's being forced by the government to do something they don't want to do is speaking out against it? Should we have outlawed the NAACP in the 60s? Keep it up, some day, one of your munches will get raided. Peace and comfort, Michael

DarkSteven -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 5:10:11 PM)
Michael, please reread my post. If churches with to take political stances, that's cool. But they shouldn't keep their tax exempt status if they do so. Regardless of the political stance they show.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 5:18:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Michael, please reread my post. If churches with to take political stances, that's cool. But they shouldn't keep their tax exempt status if they do so. Regardless of the political stance they show. I read the entire post. You're not understanding. You mentioned the seperation of church and state. You had the right amendment but the wrong part. It's a free speech issue. ALL speech must *always* be free for everyone or it means nothing. I HATE the nazis but, I have to support their right to march and print their leaflets. If I don't, someday, someone will come along and want to silence me or a group to which I belong. Yes, churches are tax exempt but that has nothing to do with the right of free speech. There's no linkage. Essentially, you're saying if *any* church makes *any* statement that could be remotely associated with politics, they cease to be a religion? Does that mean that a politician that has ever attended a church service should be barred from politics? I have to go to karaoke but ... No, no. No, no, no. No. Peace and comfort, Michael

DesideriScuri -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 5:19:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Under the concept of separation of church and state, the state is not supposed to dictate how we are to worship, and the religions are not supposed to tell us what politics to follow. This is tricky because they can, and should, make us subscribe to a moral code. I apologize for being unclear - what I should have mentioned is that the original linked article stated that the church "does prominently address the issue of the Obama administration's recent mandate regarding insurance coverage for contraceptives, even by religious institutions." That's past the line. I'm also steamed that the church banned Girl Scouts for something it did not do. It has not supported Planned Parenthood yet is taking flak as though it had done so. That's not a violation of separation of church and state, but it is perpetuating a rumor and penalizing GSA for something they didn't do. I don't think the church is anti-Obama. It is against his mandate that they have to pay for things the church is against. They can very easily make their stance known without it being political. If GWB had put this mandate in place, do you think their moral code would be any different? Would they not have come out against it? Not partisan politics on that part.

dcnovice -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 6:13:02 PM)
It's not just that one parish: http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=35768 My aunt was lamenting the other night how embarrassing she finds it to be Catholic these days. My take: Time to stock up on Thin Mints and Samoas!

SternSkipper -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 7:20:54 PM)
quote: On a serious note, Wait ... you forgot to mention that mountain in Dolce, Nm with the holograph the space aliens fly out of on their way to staffing the OWS protests. Just sayin...

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 7:26:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven There is no organization I am aware of called LGBT. They have not made monetary contributions to a nonexistent organization. They have accepted a trans girl. Would you consider that to be in violation of their nonprofit status? Then how did they come up with "The Gay Agenda"? [8D]

SternSkipper -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 7:35:08 PM)
quote: It's not just that one parish Supposedly the list they got ended up with emails sent to hundreds of thousands of Catholics and other christians. The Methodist minister where my sons Troop has been based for 73 years got one and his church has never hosted any women's organization besides their own Ladies Auxiliary and the Fisherman's Wives in their nearly two centuries. I was bummed he just read it laughed and deleted it as he told us at the meeting the other night (he lives in connected quarters to the church and used to be a scout when he was a boy). I would love to get my hands on the header to first round of that email.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 7:48:20 PM)
You are entirely correct, DarkSteven. It's long overdue that we the People crack down on these wannabe State Churches by dropping their exempt status and denying them all the preferred treatment real churches receive. Seeing how iffy the finances of most churches are, that will force them to pull in their horns, or drive under those who won't. This is clearly a part of the Radical's Hate Agenda. Do we want to live in such a country? [sm=evil.gif]

SternSkipper -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 7:51:16 PM)
quote: I read the entire post. You're not understanding. You mentioned the seperation of church and state. You had the right amendment but the wrong part. It's a free speech issue. ALL speech must always be free for everyone or it means nothing. You're of course right. However this thread is really more about email fraud and attempts to harm long standing and highly beneficial organizations to our society on the whole. But I'll certainly grant you that even the biggest morons who want to play head games a group who's really harmed no one and doesn't deserve to be dragged into it. That's their first amendment right to sound like a complete humans operating on the fumes of an intellect being flexed. And I can only hope those people get through their low moment sooner than later cause their meanderings are neither out of concern nor any kind of moral position. If an asshole move like this was ever made on the part of Scouting by either organization (matters of sex and gender preference are OUTSIDE of scouting ... It's about kids having a safe youth and learning common decency and leadership)... but if it took that route most people here would find me ahead of them in line telling them to knock it the fuck off.

SternSkipper -> RE: Anyone looking for a church to boycott? (3/1/2012 7:57:18 PM)
quote: Proof that the Girl Scouts of America support Planned Parenthood: 1. GSA is composed of girls. 2. Girls grow up to be mothers. 3. Mothers need medical care. 4. Planned Parenthood provides a lot of medical care for women. QED: GSA supports Planned Parenthood... (note that by the same logic, the Catholic Church supports Planned Parenthood LOL) That's not proof that's allegation ... but you're battin 1000 tonight anyway ... saw your horneyguy post RE Limbaugh earlier... haven't gone back since the thread is mostly likely either a) a shitstorm or b)you apologizing to half the female posters on the planet [:D]

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