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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Until you have actually shown how a Universal Health Care system would reduce costs, you have not answered the question. That you haven't shown any sort of process that would lower costs shows me that either you don't know how the cost drop would be effected, or that you know it won't actually do that.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. It makes more sense with the Kool-Aid.
I must have missed the part where the Afghan government called Bush and asked him to "enter" the country to "fight for it."
As for your other question--which changes the subject again--yes, we had a lot of other options. But the point was to surround Iran and install bases, not the bullshit fed the public as justification.
How did we get bin Laden? With special forces, which is what we should have done from the start.

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Until you have actually shown how a Universal Health Care system would reduce costs, you have not answered the question. That you haven't shown any sort of process that would lower costs shows me that either you don't know how the cost drop would be effected, or that you know it won't actually do that.

Aetna administrative costs, 18%, other health insurance companies are similar (vs. 2% for medicare)
Hospital billing costs, over 20%
Increased costs of procedures for the uninsured and under-insured due to not going for care until they need the ER, unknown (but at least 12%). A good example of that is the friend of Fluke who had to have an ovary removed because the health insurance company kept trying to claim that the birth control pills she needed to treat her PCOS were just for birth control, therefore they wouldn't cover it.
There you have it, a huge amount of money that is on the table, easily allowing us to save 50% of what we currently spend on health care, if we just get rid of the health insurance bureaucracy (ironic that the government is so much more efficient, yes?).

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According to Peter Orszag, the director of the federal Office of Management and Budget, about $700 billion, or 5 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product, is wasted on unnecessary care, such as extra costs related to medical errors, defensive medicine, and just plain fraud.
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But there are a few problems with this logic. While the past decade has seen dramatic increases in the use of emergency care and ER crowding, ER care is but a tiny portion of the U.S. health care pie: less than 3 percent. The claim that unnecessary visits are clogging the emergency care system is also untrue: Just 12 percent of ER visits are not urgent. People also tend to think ER visits cost far more than primary care, but even this is disputable. In fact, the marginal cost of treating less acute patients in the ER is lower than paying off-hours primary care doctors, as ERs are already open 24/7 to handle life-threatening emergencies. And while we're at it, let's dispel one other myth: Despite the belief that the uninsured and undocumented flood ERs, most emergency room patients are insured U.S. citizens.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. It makes more sense with the Kool-Aid.
I must have missed the part where the Afghan government called Bush and asked him to "enter" the country to "fight for it."
As for your other question--which changes the subject again--yes, we had a lot of other options. But the point was to surround Iran and install bases, not the bullshit fed the public as justification.
How did we get bin Laden? With special forces, which is what we should have done from the start.

They didn't have to ask us to "enter" the country. We were already there.

I agree we should have sent in the special forces right off the bat.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. It makes more sense with the Kool-Aid.
I must have missed the part where the Afghan government called Bush and asked him to "enter" the country to "fight for it."
As for your other question--which changes the subject again--yes, we had a lot of other options. But the point was to surround Iran and install bases, not the bullshit fed the public as justification.
How did we get bin Laden? With special forces, which is what we should have done from the start.

They didn't have to ask us to "enter" the country. We were already there.

I agree we should have sent in the special forces right off the bat.

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ORIGINAL: slaveforDomme
the government requires the hospitals to take walkins why not fix that.

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Its call the hegelian dialectic.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Its call the hegelian dialectic.

Not even close.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Interesting philosophical argument. Not exactly convincing.

But it is the explanation of Hegelian Dialectic I expected from you.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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Its call the hegelian dialectic.

Not even close.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The problem stems from americans supporting those who are non-citizen, or those who have no tax paying liability or contract with the gub.

All these functions could have been accomplished by modifications to social security which is already presumed to be a benefit from lord US.

If the gub wants to force hospitals to treat anyone regardless of status then the gub should require those people to pay taxes, not force the rest of us under its self sanctioned 3rd party debt collector agency with no recourse to the individual.

The gub by forcing hospitals to treat anyone and everyone for any reason forced americans to pay in higher medical bills as hospitals try to stay afloat.

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The gub instead of leaving incidents and mishaps up to the courts greedy for more tax money stuck their nose in and created this problem in the first place as a result of their usual one sided regulation.