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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 8:57:31 AM

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OK, good to know, thanks Hillwilliam...

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 9:12:28 AM

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Perhaps it was because he was a one term President...but if he had been serious then we may not be in the situation we are in today....and... I'm afraid we will be in again in the future. None of our representatives can get past the oil lobby to start massive emergency programs that are needed.

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Carter was VERY serious about it.

REAGAN cancelled ALL those programs immediately upon becoming president. That's why we're not much further than in 1979.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 9:16:11 AM

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Could be...I am not trying to single out any particular party...but I am saying the failure to follow through with developing alternate fuel sources is a failure of both political parties.

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 10:03:55 AM

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Could be...I am not trying to single out any particular party...but I am saying the failure to follow through with developing alternate fuel sources is a failure of both political parties.

Butch

Imo,.. one problem with alternate fuel is that as soon as enough people jump on that bandwagon and switch to the alternate,.. the freakin price goes up..

I like solar since the sun shines and is free.. but i would like to see the panels/materials less expensive.. I like the idea of solar on vehicles.. and plug into your solar panel covered house when needed..

One other thing,.. electric/solar vehicles have a limit on how fast they go.. so 55 or 60mph is about the max (for now).. imo, there would be less accidents or as deadly accidents if everyone had electric/solar vehicles, just cuz you wouldnt be going as fast as gas vehicles go now.. that would save lives and reduce repair costs, imo.. another plus..

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 10:29:02 AM

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Could be...I am not trying to single out any particular party...but I am saying the failure to follow through with developing alternate fuel sources is a failure of both political parties.

Butch

Imo,.. one problem with alternate fuel is that as soon as enough people jump on that bandwagon and switch to the alternate,.. the freakin price goes up..

I like solar since the sun shines and is free.. but i would like to see the panels/materials less expensive.. I like the idea of solar on vehicles.. and plug into your solar panel covered house when needed..

One other thing,.. electric/solar vehicles have a limit on how fast they go.. so 55 or 60mph is about the max (for now).. imo, there would be less accidents or as deadly accidents if everyone had electric/solar vehicles, just cuz you wouldnt be going as fast as gas vehicles go now.. that would save lives and reduce repair costs, imo.. another plus..

Actually, solar panels will get less expensive the more we use. The costs are not that great to make them, it is the cost of the plant set up and transportation.
There is a relatively new solar cell technology that is imprinted in plastic. It isn't nearly as efficient, but it costs 1/10th as much. It can be shipped in rolls instead of in carefully packed crates, and is much more difficult to damage.
They just haven't had the demand to mass produce it...

Edit: I'm not saying solar cell materials are cheap, I am saying a lot of the costs are fixed costs that go down as a percentage of cost as number of units sold increases... Doubt you could drive costs down more than 50% without tech improvements (like the imprinted plastic cells).

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 11:36:04 AM

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Actually, solar panels will get less expensive the more we use. The costs are not that great to make them, it is the cost of the plant set up and transportation.
There is a relatively new solar cell technology that is imprinted in plastic. It isn't nearly as efficient, but it costs 1/10th as much. It can be shipped in rolls instead of in carefully packed crates, and is much more difficult to damage.
They just haven't had the demand to mass produce it...

Edit: I'm not saying solar cell materials are cheap, I am saying a lot of the costs are fixed costs that go down as a percentage of cost as number of units sold increases... Doubt you could drive costs down more than 50% without tech improvements (like the imprinted plastic cells).

Yes, I know about the peel n stick solar plastic roll out panels.. that is what i would use, yes its cheaper but yes, less efficient.. but.. why do i need a "professional" to install it to take advantage of the govt incentives tho? I have assembled my own kitchen cabinets before and i know how to weld with the scary fire stick so i should be able to install that stuff..

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 1:14:30 PM

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Remove all the TAXES government collects on every gallon, and you got a deal.

And let the roads and bridges what are maintained with that money fall apart.

That is one of the STUPIDEST ideas Ive ever seen posited in PnR.

It's a shame the pols don't use the money meant for infrastructure, for infrastructure... Ain't it? According to Dems, our infrastructure is already on the verge of collapse, yet states and the feds have to use Union contractors to "repair" our roads... How about we stop paying excessive amounts for union labor, and spend the massive amounts we already spend, a little more wisely?

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 1:34:21 PM

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Remove all the TAXES government collects on every gallon, and you got a deal.

And let the roads and bridges what are maintained with that money fall apart.

That is one of the STUPIDEST ideas Ive ever seen posited in PnR.

It's a shame the pols don't use the money meant for infrastructure, for infrastructure... Ain't it? According to Dems, our infrastructure is already on the verge of collapse, yet states and the feds have to use Union contractors to "repair" our roads... How about we stop paying excessive amounts for union labor, and spend the massive amounts we already spend, a little more wisely?

Sure thing Rob...while we are at it,rather than use good,safe and reliable Union labor we could hire some illegal day laborers to work on our bridges...but do me a favor.
Try that policy out on the bridges YOU drive over first...the one's I drive ,on I-95 please leave to Union workers will you,I like the peace of mind in knowing the damm things aren't going to tumble down

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 5:13:08 PM

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Remove all the TAXES government collects on every gallon, and you got a deal.

And let the roads and bridges what are maintained with that money fall apart.

That is one of the STUPIDEST ideas Ive ever seen posited in PnR.

It's a shame the pols don't use the money meant for infrastructure, for infrastructure... Ain't it? According to Dems, our infrastructure is already on the verge of collapse, yet states and the feds have to use Union contractors to "repair" our roads... How about we stop paying excessive amounts for union labor, and spend the massive amounts we already spend, a little more wisely?

Sure thing Rob...while we are at it,rather than use good,safe and reliable Union labor we could hire some illegal day laborers to work on our bridges...but do me a favor.
Try that policy out on the bridges YOU drive over first...the one's I drive ,on I-95 please leave to Union workers will you,I like the peace of mind in knowing the damm things aren't going to tumble down

did ya'll ever read about this bridge???

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/3/2012 8:25:19 PM

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It's a shame the pols don't use the money meant for infrastructure, for infrastructure... Ain't it? According to Dems, our infrastructure is already on the verge of collapse, yet states and the feds have to use Union contractors to "repair" our roads... How about we stop paying excessive amounts for union labor, and spend the massive amounts we already spend, a little more wisely?

According to verifiable facts, some of our infrastructure has already collapsed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/4/2012 4:30:38 AM

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It's a shame the pols don't use the money meant for infrastructure, for infrastructure... Ain't it? According to Dems, our infrastructure is already on the verge of collapse, yet states and the feds have to use Union contractors to "repair" our roads... How about we stop paying excessive amounts for union labor, and spend the massive amounts we already spend, a little more wisely?

According to verifiable facts, some of our infrastructure has already collapsed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge

I guess we should have hired illegal aliens to build it, it might not have collapsed... Oh, that's right, it's my side that wants them deported, and fighting Mike's side on amnesty... Silly me!

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/4/2012 5:23:38 AM

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It's a shame the pols don't use the money meant for infrastructure, for infrastructure... Ain't it? According to Dems, our infrastructure is already on the verge of collapse, yet states and the feds have to use Union contractors to "repair" our roads... How about we stop paying excessive amounts for union labor, and spend the massive amounts we already spend, a little more wisely?

According to verifiable facts, some of our infrastructure has already collapsed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge

I guess we should have hired illegal aliens to build it, it might not have collapsed... Oh, that's right, it's my side that wants them deported, and fighting Mike's side on amnesty... Silly me!

What does illegal aliens have to do with the fact that you proposed eliminating gas taxes and I showed how utterly stupid that idea is? Nice try at dissembling.

The bridge died because of lack of maintenence. Period.

This area is finally getting around to fixing bridges that were built before the great depression. Want to say soemthing stupid about them and illegal aliens?

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RE: A Conservative speaks about gas prices - 3/4/2012 5:30:01 AM

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What does Adam West have to say about all this?

Per the OP:

Will scoffed at complaints from Republicans earlier in the week, including Republican Florida Rep. Allen West and GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich.

“Allen West from South Florida, a Republican, said he was outraged this week because it cost him $70 to fill his car,” Will said. “He drives a Hummer. Newt Gingrich said the American people have a right to demand $2.50 gas. They have a right to demand lobsters grow on trees. This is economic nonsense.”

The Washington Post columnist later suggested that instead of pursuing Obama so aggressively on the gas price issue, they should instead attack the Federal Reserve.

“Part of the problem is about 10 blocks from here at the Federal Reserve building,” he said. “As long as oil is traded in dollars, as long as we’re promiscuously printing dollars and the value of the dollar is going down, the price of oil and the price of gasoline is going to go up. So blame the Federal Reserve while you’re at it.”

[Note - a Hummer gets 15 MPG]

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