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dcnovice -> Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 7:48:05 PM)

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[Wisconsin] State senator Glenn Grothman, an admitted opponent of the social welfare establishment that he believes encourages women to have children out of wedlock, introduced Senate Bill 507, which would formally consider single parenthood a contributing factor to child abuse, if passed into law.


Source: Huffington Post

Wow. Just wow.

From LaFollette to this--what's happened to poor Wisconsin?



erieangel -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 7:49:55 PM)

I can hardly believe that it was just 5 short years ago I was at a conference and met a group from WI. One of them told me that WI is the most liberal state in the country. Seems like a lifetime ago.



dcnovice -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 7:50:55 PM)

Here's the actual bill.



SoftBonds -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 7:51:52 PM)

Spanking a child with implements has been shown to cause many types of permanent damage. Many conservatives believe in "spare the rod, spoil the child," and will spank even small children with canes, belts, or other levers.
Perhaps being a conservative should be considered a contributing factor to child abuse?

(BTW, I do give my kids the occasional single swat to get their attention. That said, I don't need a lever to hit my kid harder, my hand works just fine. Also, I don't need to use something so I won't feel the amount of pain I'm inflicting on my kid-if I'm gonna swat him/her, I'm gonna feel it too, fair is fair).

Edit:
On the flip side, while there is no evidence that spanking improves the behavior of children, there is a strong correlation between spanking children, and those children becoming involved in BDSM later in life. So at least the Conservatives are contributing to a kinkier America...



Daddysredhead -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 7:56:19 PM)

DC, as I posted elsewhere, I'm sitting here in tears, thinking of how many parents are raising their children alone. Some because of a broken relationship, some because of a deceased parent, some because the other parent is overseas on business or in t...he military, some because the other parent may be incarcerated, and maybe even some are single by choice and never had a co-parent to raise their child. But, one thing single parents know is sacrifice. (Most) Single parents would go without, if it meant that their child could have some special gift or a good meal, etc.

I know plenty of single parents who are generous with the resources they have because it's a "community" of sorts, one that knows and appreciates the kindness of others. Single parents who adore their children will do whatever they can to make sure there is food on the table, a roof overhead, clothes on the child's back, and if anything else can be done to make their lives more happy, they will do that, too. Single parenting is not child abuse. Sometimes it is the path life takes, and the parents who stick around, will rise to the challenge.

And giving credit where it is due, I am thankful that I have a good co-parenting relationship with my ex-husband. It's good for the kids to see that just because we couldn't be happily married, we can be good to one another because it's good for them...

Is it ok for me to hate this man from WI? Because I do...



Hillwilliam -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 7:57:51 PM)

Is he going to also propose a bill making attendance of a seminary a contributing cause to pedophilia?



tj444 -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 8:25:39 PM)

did ya'll notice the "nonmarital" part? That also means an unmarried couple living together would also be in the same boat... You want to keep your kids and not be charged with child abuse, you will be forced to get married..

"nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect"

oh, I cant wait for all the other states to follow suit and enact the same type of thing.. [8|]



SorceressJ -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 8:28:45 PM)

"nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect"

Bullshit. [8|]



SoftBonds -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 8:36:35 PM)

Yes, it is ok to hate a dirtbag for being a dirtbag. For pandering for votes by throwing people under the bus for things they often can't change.



Daddysredhead -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 8:38:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Yes, it is ok to hate a dirtbag for being a dirtbag. For pandering for votes by throwing people under the bus for things they often can't change.



Good, because I wouldn't want to hate him out of turn...



slvemike4u -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 8:50:16 PM)

I raised my son as a single parent...he turned out pretty good.
And it never led to child abuse [:D]



DarkSteven -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 8:56:02 PM)

Aside from the all around insanity of the bill, it doesn't even have solid science backing it up. It's possible that single parenthood does in fact create an environment - more stressful - that contributes to child abuse. It could also be that the kind of parent which would abuse their child is also less likely to get/stay married. Not only that, but as others have pointed out, it does not distinguish between literal single parents and dual parent households in which the parents are unmarried.

The bill states, with no proof, that the research can be superseded by political fiat. Having "facts" determined by political bias is a horrible precedent.




slvemike4u -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 9:00:18 PM)

Not arguing with a thing you said DS.but speaking for myself,there was never added stress from being a single parent.
Not being able to say goodnight and good morning to my only child.....now that would have been stressful [:)]



Owner59 -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 9:07:27 PM)

Question.....


Is this a case of republicans all getting more and more extreme and whacked out or has it always been this bad and we`ve just gotten better at with detecting it?



SoftBonds -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 9:08:58 PM)

I was raised by two single parents off and on. The times they were married (to others, not each other) were not always better than when they were not. I know Mom was poor when she wasn't married, but her first husband after my dad wasn't a nice person, and I sure didn't like him. Course, I was like, 4 to 6 years old, so what did I know?
I have since learned that they fought a lot, and a lot happened between them, but they kept it away from me somehow. I hope I can be as good a parent to my munchkins as my parents were to me...



tj444 -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 9:26:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Aside from the all around insanity of the bill, it doesn't even have solid science backing it up. It's possible that single parenthood does in fact create an environment - more stressful - that contributes to child abuse. It could also be that the kind of parent which would abuse their child is also less likely to get/stay married. Not only that, but as others have pointed out, it does not distinguish between literal single parents and dual parent households in which the parents are unmarried.

The bill states, with no proof, that the research can be superseded by political fiat. Having "facts" determined by political bias is a horrible precedent.

Its more than that imo.. its an anti-woman bill...
Its aimed at women as there are 5 single mothers to each single father.. isnt that frequently due to the fathers skipping town and not wanting to support the kids they helped father?
He is saying women are just having kids for the money.. gee,.. who knew having kids and keeping them could be so profitable.. [8|]

"single mothers outpacing single fathers five to one."
"financial benefits he says are driving the rise in single motherhood among low-income moms."



DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 9:31:47 PM)

In an overall sense, what we are seeing in these lunatics is the final death spiral of the Radicals as they circle the psychological drain. No doubt we will see a lot more of this sort of filth as their power in Washington slips, and they start looking to the state legislatures to try to undercut liberalism by a 'death by a thousand cuts'. The Radicals aren't going away any time soon, and it's only going to get worse.
[sm=couch.gif]



DaddySatyr -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 9:43:26 PM)

While I certainly don't agree with this bill (talk about "government over-stepping"?) I think it's another pendulum issue.

There are reams of studies that have made the case that children raised in two-parent households "do better" in many ways; socialization, education (not just affordability but performance), their own family lives, etc. The case has been pretty well made.

That said; I think this is reactionary (as well as government trying to raise yet more of our children) to say the least. It stems from the idea that "It takes a village ..."; the over-all belief that society has a right to decide how people should raise their children and it stinks, on ice.

Maybe, someday, the sheeple in this country will realize that this kind of stuff comes from both sides of the aisle, stop treating their friends and neighbors with opposing viewpoints as if they're the enemy and band together and take down the real enemy to freedom which is bureaucracy.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



tj444 -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 9:54:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
There are reams of studies that have made the case that children raised in two-parent households "do better" in many ways; socialization, education (not just affordability but performance), their own family lives, etc. The case has been pretty well made.

But what does that have to do with child abuse? This is an Anti-Women Having Kids To Get Welfare bill..



DaddySatyr -> RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? (3/2/2012 10:03:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
There are reams of studies that have made the case that children raised in two-parent households "do better" in many ways; socialization, education (not just affordability but performance), their own family lives, etc. The case has been pretty well made.

But what does that have to do with child abuse? This is an Anti-Women Having Kids To Get Welfare bill..


See, this is where just re-posting snippets is a really bad idea. Reading more of what I wrote would have answered your question.
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ORIGINAL DaddySatyr

That said; I think this is reactionary (as well as government trying to raise yet more of our children) to say the least. It stems from the idea that "It takes a village ..."; the over-all belief that society has a right to decide how people should raise their children and it stinks, on ice.


I don't grant your premise that it's anti-woman anymore than the birth control issue versus the church is "anti-Catholic". I do believe that it's anti-family. It's seperating children from their parents. An idea that did not work well in Greece, Crete, Rome, or Nazi Germany.

A good friend of mine once begged me to look at who stands on the same side of an issue before I make a final decision.

I see this as a step to empire building and tyranny, a threat to the American family, and something which needs to be soundly defeated.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



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