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chatterbox24 -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 9:05:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

It's not only possible that a submissive be assertive in other aspects of life, it's 100% desirable.
I want a sub, not a doormat.

Which is more fun for a skilled equestrian?

1. A 25 year old gelding?
or
2. A barely trained 4-year-old stallion?

They'll both get you from point A to point B but which is more fun and satisfying when they end up doing as you wish?


This goes right with what I was saying. THE CHALLENGE. BUt oh oh oh I am always wrong. Goes right back to how challenging is YESSUM after awhile.

TIme tells all, back to being bat shit crazy.




GreedyTop -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 9:08:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

WEll remember I am bat shit crazy, but myself I like someone who has some kick, edge, sass, backbone, will argue if they have to............making up is half the fun. But thats me. Not total chaos, but I honest to God find taking your own beliefs and changing them to suit another as really weak. Its cool if people want to do that, takes all kinds, but definitely not my thing. I think after awhile most people are going to explode trying to stuff themselves.



what? are you suddenly a femdom, now, that you are defining what you want in your submissive?




chatterbox24 -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 9:21:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

WEll remember I am bat shit crazy, but myself I like someone who has some kick, edge, sass, backbone, will argue if they have to............making up is half the fun. But thats me. Not total chaos, but I honest to God find taking your own beliefs and changing them to suit another as really weak. Its cool if people want to do that, takes all kinds, but definitely not my thing. I think after awhile most people are going to explode trying to stuff themselves.


Honestly. I dont have a label. I am being me, which is totally great. I love my freedom being back. Much less confusing. IM assertive and edgy, and crazy, and can be funny, loving, affectionate. I can be sweet unless provoked then IM a LIONESS. Just being me Dear. Let the good times roll.


what? are you suddenly a femdom, now, that you are defining what you want in your submissive?





LaTigresse -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 9:34:23 AM)

The horse analogy.......

I consider myself to be a very skilled equestrian. What is fun depends upon my goal. I am fortunate to have two horses of very different temperaments.

I have, in my life, ridden horses so dead broke, in spirit and will, that they are no fun at all. They are walking robots. Then tend to be dumber than a post and haven't the ability to do anything other than what they've been trained to do. On the flip side of that, I've also ridden horses with spirit and mind left intact, that are so well trained, they are a complete joy to ride. The slightest touch will trigger a reaction from the properly educated rider.

Because the well trained but spirited horse does exactly what is asked by the right rider, does NOT make riding that horse boring. Quite the opposite. It is an absolute joy.

I have ridden horses that are full of life and intelligence that are still untrained but, with the right human, willing to learn and are, with the right handler, not dangerous or difficult to manage. You simply have to have the knowledge and ability to work with them rather than against them. Handled improperly and you may have a very dangerous animal. They can become the joy to ride I described above quite easily.

I have ridden horses that are, in effect, bat shit crazy. Usually not very bright. They tend to be difficult to train because they are often unable to learn. They usually end up on the hands of a 'trainer' and I use that term loosely, who simply beats them into stupid submission. Once they've been beaten enough, they become the mindless robots........or they end up changing hands until they go to a kill buyer. Never fun to ride at all regardless.

I've ridden stallions that were borderline too dangerous too ride and I've ridden stallions that were loads of fun as long as you didn't forget you were riding an animal that thinks primarily with it's balls. I've also ridden mares that were quite honestly, the most evil nasty bitches in the pasture and would just as soon put a bullet through their head as ever consider it again. I personally prefer geldings that consistently do not have hormonal issues.....but that's just me.

Horses are like people. There are many variations, the above are only a few. One of mine is gentle as can be with women and children but put a man on his back and he becomes as willful and obstinate as you will ever find. He is a senior citizen in horse years. The other, while 10 years old, consistently acts like a 2 year old every time he can get away with it, and will only ever be ridden by experienced riders. An experienced rider settles him right down and he is easy to manage. An inexperienced rider would be miserable because he would outsmart them and it could be dangerous.

Neither horse is more work or less. Although one would assume the second would be much moreso than the first. It's all about the rider, the rider's experience, and the goals. There are some things one is better for than the other. Some situations that one is stronger and the other weaker. Both will submit equally with the right person. Both will make life miserable for the wrong people.




chatterbox24 -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 9:55:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

The horse analogy.......

I consider myself to be a very skilled equestrian. What is fun depends upon my goal. I am fortunate to have two horses of very different temperaments.

I have, in my life, ridden horses so dead broke, in spirit and will, that they are no fun at all. They are walking robots. Then tend to be dumber than a post and haven't the ability to do anything other than what they've been trained to do. On the flip side of that, I've also ridden horses with spirit and mind left intact, that are so well trained, they are a complete joy to ride. The slightest touch will trigger a reaction from the properly educated rider.

Because the well trained but spirited horse does exactly what is asked by the right rider, does NOT make riding that horse boring. Quite the opposite. It is an absolute joy.

I have ridden horses that are full of life and intelligence that are still untrained but, with the right human, willing to learn and are, with the right handler, not dangerous or difficult to manage. You simply have to have the knowledge and ability to work with them rather than against them. Handled improperly and you may have a very dangerous animal. They can become the joy to ride I described above quite easily.
I have ridden horses that are, in effect, bat shit crazy. Usually not very bright. They tend to be difficult to train because they are often unable to learn. They usually end up on the hands of a 'trainer' and I use that term loosely, who simply beats them into stupid submission. Once they've been beaten enough, they become the mindless robots........or they end up changing hands until they go to a kill buyer. Never fun to ride at all regardless.

I've ridden stallions that were borderline too dangerous too ride and I've ridden stallions that were loads of fun as long as you didn't forget you were riding an animal that thinks primarily with it's balls. I've also ridden mares that were quite honestly, the most evil nasty bitches in the pasture and would just as soon put a bullet through their head as ever consider it again. I personally prefer geldings that consistently do not have hormonal issues.....but that's just me.

Horses are like people. There are many variations, the above are only a few. One of mine is gentle as can be with women and children but put a man on his back and he becomes as willful and obstinate as you will ever find. He is a senior citizen in horse years. The other, while 10 years old, consistently acts like a 2 year old every time he can get away with it, and will only ever be ridden by experienced riders. An experienced rider settles him right down and he is easy to manage. An inexperienced rider would be miserable because he would outsmart them and it could be dangerous.

Neither horse is more work or less. Although one would assume the second would be much moreso than the first. It's all about the rider, the rider's experience, and the goals. There are some things one is better for than the other. Some situations that one is stronger and the other weaker. Both will submit equally with the right person. Both will make life miserable for the wrong people.



I am also a very skilled rider, who showed big lick and had horses all my life. ANd yep horses personalities can be compared to people. I am the BOLD horse, which horse are you? lol




LunaM -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 9:59:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

The horse analogy.......

I consider myself to be a very skilled equestrian. What is fun depends upon my goal. I am fortunate to have two horses of very different temperaments.

I have, in my life, ridden horses so dead broke, in spirit and will, that they are no fun at all. They are walking robots. Then tend to be dumber than a post and haven't the ability to do anything other than what they've been trained to do. On the flip side of that, I've also ridden horses with spirit and mind left intact, that are so well trained, they are a complete joy to ride. The slightest touch will trigger a reaction from the properly educated rider.

Because the well trained but spirited horse does exactly what is asked by the right rider, does NOT make riding that horse boring. Quite the opposite. It is an absolute joy.

I have ridden horses that are full of life and intelligence that are still untrained but, with the right human, willing to learn and are, with the right handler, not dangerous or difficult to manage. You simply have to have the knowledge and ability to work with them rather than against them. Handled improperly and you may have a very dangerous animal. They can become the joy to ride I described above quite easily.

I have ridden horses that are, in effect, bat shit crazy. Usually not very bright. They tend to be difficult to train because they are often unable to learn. They usually end up on the hands of a 'trainer' and I use that term loosely, who simply beats them into stupid submission. Once they've been beaten enough, they become the mindless robots........or they end up changing hands until they go to a kill buyer. Never fun to ride at all regardless.

I've ridden stallions that were borderline too dangerous too ride and I've ridden stallions that were loads of fun as long as you didn't forget you were riding an animal that thinks primarily with it's balls. I've also ridden mares that were quite honestly, the most evil nasty bitches in the pasture and would just as soon put a bullet through their head as ever consider it again. I personally prefer geldings that consistently do not have hormonal issues.....but that's just me.

Horses are like people. There are many variations, the above are only a few. One of mine is gentle as can be with women and children but put a man on his back and he becomes as willful and obstinate as you will ever find. He is a senior citizen in horse years. The other, while 10 years old, consistently acts like a 2 year old every time he can get away with it, and will only ever be ridden by experienced riders. An experienced rider settles him right down and he is easy to manage. An inexperienced rider would be miserable because he would outsmart them and it could be dangerous.

Neither horse is more work or less. Although one would assume the second would be much moreso than the first. It's all about the rider, the rider's experience, and the goals. There are some things one is better for than the other. Some situations that one is stronger and the other weaker. Both will submit equally with the right person. Both will make life miserable for the wrong people.




A horse may be broke by one hand but that doesn't mean it is tame to all hands. :)

(In other words, I agree with your horse analogy)




LaTigresse -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 11:06:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24



I am also a very skilled rider, who showed big lick and had horses all my life. ANd yep horses personalities can be compared to people. I am the BOLD horse, which horse are you? lol


I am not a horse. I own them.

A horse is a prey animal. They think and behave like prey animals. I don't.




DesFIP -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 11:17:24 AM)

What horse you want depends on what you're doing. If you're going into Marshall & Sterling finals, you don't want an untrained stallion. If the 25 year old enjoys taking a 6' jump, then that's who you want. My kid, who for years did western all around, some speed trials, cutting and penning is now learning to jump on a 25 year old who sees no purpose in the little 3' fences that she's supposed to take. If she isn't in control, he takes her over the highest one in the arena because that's what he enjoys. He has a personality and is clear about what he does and doesn't like. But he would be useless when confronted with a cow.

We've had horses that decided when they were done showing and made it clear you had signed up for one more class than he could handle.
One who if you were an experienced rider wouldn't do a damn thing you asked unless you fought him every step of the way. But if you put a child or someone with disabilities on him was as gentle as a lamb.

Nobody wants to have to wrestle and beat the other person into obedience when they ask for a refill of their tea cup at 8:00AM.
At the same time, if what you get off on is force play, then you fill your own cup in exchange for someone who will wrestle and fight in the bedroom. Like everything else in life, you decide what you must have and what you'll give up in exchange for it.




GreedyTop -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 11:26:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

WEll remember I am bat shit crazy, but myself I like someone who has some kick, edge, sass, backbone, will argue if they have to............making up is half the fun. But thats me. Not total chaos, but I honest to God find taking your own beliefs and changing them to suit another as really weak. Its cool if people want to do that, takes all kinds, but definitely not my thing. I think after awhile most people are going to explode trying to stuff themselves.


Honestly. I dont have a label. I am being me, which is totally great. I love my freedom being back. Much less confusing. IM assertive and edgy, and crazy, and can be funny, loving, affectionate. I can be sweet unless provoked then IM a LIONESS. Just being me Dear. Let the good times roll.


what? are you suddenly a femdom, now, that you are defining what you want in your submissive?





I don't have a label either. BUT I challenge you, or anyone else, to find the same kind of 14 day (give or take) flipflopping/psycho/batshit posting that YOU have done in any of my postings. Good on you if you are comfy with that as a normal behavior for yourself, but I honestly pity any partner you might currently have(assuming they actually exist, which I have profound doubts about...).



I think the bit of your comment which I have highlighted sums you up, in toto.




kalikshama -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 12:25:06 PM)

Sunny!

Nomination for QOTD here:

quote:

Nobody wants to have to wrestle and beat the other person into obedience when they ask for a refill of their tea cup at 8:00AM.

At the same time, if what you get off on is force play, then you fill your own cup in exchange for someone who will wrestle and fight in the bedroom. Like everything else in life, you decide what you must have and what you'll give up in exchange for it.




chatterbox24 -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 12:34:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

WEll remember I am bat shit crazy, but myself I like someone who has some kick, edge, sass, backbone, will argue if they have to............making up is half the fun. But thats me. Not total chaos, but I honest to God find taking your own beliefs and changing them to suit another as really weak. Its cool if people want to do that, takes all kinds, but definitely not my thing. I think after awhile most people are going to explode trying to stuff themselves.


Honestly. I dont have a label. I am being me, which is totally great. I love my freedom being back. Much less confusing. IM assertive and edgy, and crazy, and can be funny, loving, affectionate. I can be sweet unless provoked then IM a LIONESS. Just being me Dear. Let the good times roll.


what? are you suddenly a femdom, now, that you are defining what you want in your submissive?





I don't have a label either. BUT I challenge you, or anyone else, to find the same kind of 14 day (give or take) flipflopping/psycho/batshit posting that YOU have done in any of my postings. Good on you if you are comfy with that as a normal behavior for yourself, but I honestly pity any partner you might currently have(assuming they actually exist, which I have profound doubts about...).



I think the bit of your comment which I have highlighted sums you up, in toto.


Oh boy.........I didnt label you. I never said you were crazy or flip flopping or etc. SO why all the defensiveness?
Again, being called a liar. SOmetmes the response you get is the response you deserve. A tit for tat.




sunshinemiss -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/5/2012 3:27:06 PM)

Sunny
Quote of the Day
goes to DesFIP.
for
Nobody wants to have to wrestle and
beat the other person into obedience

when they ask for a refill of their tea cup at 8:00AM.


http://www.collarchat.com/m_4049310/mpage_3/tm.htm




submaleuk12 -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/7/2012 12:37:35 AM)

Dude your not a submissive, your just a bit kinky, your gonna get pissed off letting someone control you after a while




kalikshama -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/7/2012 7:13:54 AM)

Despite what it says in the lower right corner, I KNOW that wasn't meant for Kana; I'll withhold comment until you clarify to whom that was addressed.




LunaM -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/7/2012 7:45:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Despite what it says in the lower right corner, I KNOW that wasn't meant for Kana; I'll withhold comment until you clarify to whom that was addressed.



Agreed. I know that couldn't have been directed at Kana.....




littlewonder -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/7/2012 8:18:59 AM)

that would be hilarious if it was. I think it would have me rolling in laughter for days until He had to slap me to stop. haha




LunaM -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/7/2012 8:21:29 AM)

Your already rolling around in laughter at the mere thought. Lol!




Kana -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/7/2012 8:24:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: submaleuk12

Dude your not a submissive, your just a bit kinky, your gonna get pissed off letting someone control you after a while



*Weeps*
You promised you wouldn't out me.
Promised
Even crossed your fingers and hoped to die.
And then...Sandbagged galore...

Flees, sobbing into his hot pink and frilly hanky




GreedyTop -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/7/2012 8:29:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

WEll remember I am bat shit crazy, but myself I like someone who has some kick, edge, sass, backbone, will argue if they have to............making up is half the fun. But thats me. Not total chaos, but I honest to God find taking your own beliefs and changing them to suit another as really weak. Its cool if people want to do that, takes all kinds, but definitely not my thing. I think after awhile most people are going to explode trying to stuff themselves.


Honestly. I dont have a label. I am being me, which is totally great. I love my freedom being back. Much less confusing. IM assertive and edgy, and crazy, and can be funny, loving, affectionate. I can be sweet unless provoked then IM a LIONESS. Just being me Dear. Let the good times roll.


what? are you suddenly a femdom, now, that you are defining what you want in your submissive?





I don't have a label either. BUT I challenge you, or anyone else, to find the same kind of 14 day (give or take) flipflopping/psycho/batshit posting that YOU have done in any of my postings. Good on you if you are comfy with that as a normal behavior for yourself, but I honestly pity any partner you might currently have(assuming they actually exist, which I have profound doubts about...).



I think the bit of your comment which I have highlighted sums you up, in toto.


Oh boy.........I didnt label you. I never said you were crazy or flip flopping or etc. SO why all the defensiveness?
Again, being called a liar. SOmetmes the response you get is the response you deserve. A tit for tat.




I didn't say you were crazy. But you sure as fuck appear to be.




chatterbox24 -> RE: Assertive Submissive (3/7/2012 9:20:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop


quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

WEll remember I am bat shit crazy, but myself I like someone who has some kick, edge, sass, backbone, will argue if they have to............making up is half the fun. But thats me. Not total chaos, but I honest to God find taking your own beliefs and changing them to suit another as really weak. Its cool if people want to do that, takes all kinds, but definitely not my thing. I think after awhile most people are going to explode trying to stuff themselves.


Honestly. I dont have a label. I am being me, which is totally great. I love my freedom being back. Much less confusing. IM assertive and edgy, and crazy, and can be funny, loving, affectionate. I can be sweet unless provoked then IM a LIONESS. Just being me Dear. Let the good times roll.


what? are you suddenly a femdom, now, that you are defining what you want in your submissive?





I don't have a label either. BUT I challenge you, or anyone else, to find the same kind of 14 day (give or take) flipflopping/psycho/batshit posting that YOU have done in any of my postings. Good on you if you are comfy with that as a normal behavior for yourself, but I honestly pity any partner you might currently have(assuming they actually exist, which I have profound doubts about...).



I think the bit of your comment which I have highlighted sums you up, in toto.


Oh boy.........I didnt label you. I never said you were crazy or flip flopping or etc. SO why all the defensiveness?
Again, being called a liar. SOmetmes the response you get is the response you deserve. A tit for tat.




I didn't say you were crazy. But you sure as fuck appear to be.


Hee hee hee hee............Okay so you didnt say I was crazy[8|][8|]....no insinuation or anything[:D]....I am totally cracking up.

I am seriously thinking of changing my name on here to BATSHITCRAZY. [sm=horse.gif]




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