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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 6:21:07 PM   
Nanako


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what's disrespectful is your making this topic, and the implications in it.

You talked to disrespectful people. PEOPLE. The fact that they were also dommes is neither here nor there.
Would you walk up to a random african and ask why all black people are rude? I would assume no if you've any sense.

painting entire groups because of bad experiences with some of them is unfortunate. Perhaps consider that all the nice dommes simply won't talk to you if they aren't interested, rather than get into a discussion about why.

As to why you have hard luck with finding women who are interested, look inwards for that answer.

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 7:44:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alecta

No. I think you are seeing it as you, with your particular set of experiences and emotional luggage, whereas everyone else sees it as themselves, with their particular sets of experiences and emotional luggages. Sub or Dom/me doesn't really come into it.



Touche. Good answer! I would agree with that. :)

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 7:49:13 PM   
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quote:

Say a sub messaged you. You liked his message and replied. and so followed 3-4 more messages that were all enjoyable and showed no sign of dislike or hate whatnot. He sends you his pics and he's attractive to you. You send him yours and... nothing.
perhaps you may even be blocked by him.

Maybe pics are already sent and it's something else. Maybe you say "I don't like sissy play but I like everything else your into" and the same thing.

What would you call that if not disrespect?
it's not a lack of courteous regard that he was having an enjoyable conversation with?
it's not rude for the same reason?


Maybe they met some one, got struck with a horrible illness, or lost internet connection, perhaps you did not make it past their screening process, or a myriad of other real life events have occurred. Maybe you said something to creep them out.  ITS THE INTERNET! If you think you fellas act in a different fashion, you are quite mistaken. I think you should consider them not responding, the same as them responding with "I'm not interested/my dog just died/please don't contact me again". Its the internet. Get over it.

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 7:53:28 PM   
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Maybe you started acting like this: http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8325689/the-meeting

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 7:54:48 PM   
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Also, checking back is ok, but if you think the right thing to write is anything along the lines of "Hey. its been two days, are you still interested" or "You know, the least you could do is answer me back, Im waiting" , you're doing it wrong. No one finds desperation or pushiness attractive.

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 8:11:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nanako

what's disrespectful is your making this topic, and the implications in it.

You talked to disrespectful people. PEOPLE. The fact that they were also dommes is neither here nor there.
Would you walk up to a random african and ask why all black people are rude? I would assume no if you've any sense.

painting entire groups because of bad experiences with some of them is unfortunate. Perhaps consider that all the nice dommes simply won't talk to you if they aren't interested, rather than get into a discussion about why.

As to why you have hard luck with finding women who are interested, look inwards for that answer.




I apologize if you find my post disrespectful. It was not the intention.

If there was a forum saying "ask black people anything" And from my experience most black people were rude then yes, maybe I would. But that is how and who I am. And that isn't the case because I'm not sure I have met or know a black person that is rude.

And perhaps I'm painting a group, and it's not based on just some of them, rather a large majority.(in my experience)

If someone would say that men are focused only on sex, is that true? Because a large number of people tend to say that. No it's not, but most of us are, so we're grouped together anyways. it happens.

For your part are you saying you have always given a guy a reason when you stapped messaging him? If you say yes that you are one of only a few.

That said I did reread my first message and I didn't emphasize the fact that I know and understand this isn't the case always and with everyone all the time enough. That my question is more based and focused on when and if it does happen, why does it happen.

For my part I have received an answer that makes sense and that I've never considered from several different women here that satisfies my question and my curiosity here.

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 8:16:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GloriousMorning

Also, checking back is ok, but if you think the right thing to write is anything along the lines of "Hey. its been two days, are you still interested" or "You know, the least you could do is answer me back, Im waiting" , you're doing it wrong. No one finds desperation or pushiness attractive.



No worries, I have never or would never write that.
I take hints and if there is no reply then something happened and it is what it is.

if it was illness or computer or whatever related and she remembers me enough when she returns she can contact me again then. else I try to respect their wishes and not overly bother them with messages. I assume they get subs doing that far too often, no need for me to add to that Mix.

just how I am about it anyways.


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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 8:23:47 PM   
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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 8:29:06 PM   
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Perhaps the internet is not the best place for you .


That could be copied and pasted a number of places here recently.

** Edited for typing too fast. ;)

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 8:30:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana

Furthermore, I'm shocked and appalled to find out what most dominant women are really like. For shame, ladies! For shame.


This will be my last post on this topic.

I apologize to all that I may have offended. It was not my intention. But no matter. Maybe some of you think I'm crap or what have you for this thread, so be it.
Like it or not I don't really care. If I could go back I would do it all again save maybe rewording things slightly different so as not to implicate EVERY Domme as a participant of such.

It is what it is.

Rest assured should I post a topic again it won't be about anything personals related. After all that seems to be taboo around here for many people. ::Shrugs::

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 8:33:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lostnlooking9


quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana

Furthermore, I'm shocked and appalled to find out what most dominant women are really like. For shame, ladies! For shame.


This will be my last post on this topic.

I apologize to all that I may have offended. It was not my intention. But no matter. Maybe some of you think I'm crap or what have you for this thread, so be it.
Like it or not I don't really care. If I could go back I would do it all again save maybe rewording things slightly different so as not to implicate EVERY Domme as a participant of such.

It is what it is.

Rest assured should I post a topic again it won't be about anything personals related. After all that seems to be taboo around here for many people. ::Shrugs::


Once again....



And dude, for someone who claims to be into dominant women, you don't seem to be responding very well to their treatment of you here.

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/3/2012 8:36:01 PM   
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Just so you know, I am trying to give you the information that you are asking to receive.  Take the reply in the spirit that it was given.

quote:

ORIGINAL: lostnlooking9

I have a question for the Dommes out there. To preface I am not resentful or upset or angry or whatnot about this unlike some of the subs posting that I see. I'm just merely curious.

Not a problem.  I'm the curious sort, Myself.

quote:

Basically why is so little respect given to subs?(in general not individuals you may know)
I understand the fact that there are so many of us and many don't deserve respect and that many of you dommes get "hundreds of messages a day"(which I find laughable. A lot of messages yes, that many? sounds inflated.)
So I don't mean about the lack of replies to messages sent to you.

This is the main part of the topic about why I am here.  It may sound inflated to you, but I can promise you that is the truth.  In fact, we have a thread from about a year and a half ago where I specifically set out to prove it.  I was successful in doing so and would be more than happy to look up that thread for you so that you can see that I and another member of the forums (it happened to be a male Dom) verified just how much mail I could generate just by setting up a profile.  One picture (clothed), a short text, and no forum participation.  Another two members ran the same experiment (a female Dominant and a male sub) who were able to do the same thing.  I could also direct you to threads on this forum where certain male subs have tried putting up a female profile to see just exactly what happens. 

I'll be happy to find those threads for you if you would like to see the evidence.  Either that, or you can just take My word for it.  We get the amount of mail that we say we do.

quote:

What I mean is from messages that YOU send us. Or exchanges that you have with us.
Far too often, heck almost always, if I e-mail with a Domme back and forth, should the communication ends, it does just that, end.
No "sorry not interested" no "oh we're not compatible afterall" no "your not attractive to me" nothing. Just an end and and no reply ever returned.

Here is why.  We're going to talk about three kind of mail.  First contact mail, (when a person you do not know mails you for the first time), repeat contact mail (what you are describing above), and friend mail (those emails that are from people that you talk to on occasion over a long period of time). 

Allow Me to make My position very clear.  I am a priorities person.  What that means is that I prioritize even My time on the net.  I enjoy the forums.  It's basically what I am here for.  Along with this, My email comes in after I am done commenting on those discussions in which I am participating.  There are some people that I never ignore their email.  If I have twenty "new" messages, I return mail to those I consider friends first.  People I recognize from the forums after that.  Third might be those where I'm actually engaged in conversation.  Fourth are first contacts.  

Keep some factors in mind.  There are only so many hours in a day.  First contact emails add to the pile each and every day.  I may spend less time on the net on any particular day due to working on another project.  At one point, I actually started to take the laptop with Me to multiple day events because if I didn't, the email was so bad by the time I got home, I couldn't accomplish anything else.

An exchange of three of four emails might just not be all that important on My end.  I may have said all that is really necessary.  There may not be any real two way communication going on for Me to address.  If there was nothing engaging (to Me) in the last email I received, why should I continue to talk?

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I do my best to be respectful, and I have never sent any mean or nasty e-mails. Just normal conversational ones. I am always respectful and answer any questions they ask me and be myself and be honest.
And to be fair on occasion I do get a respectful end. But they come just as often as a disrespectful end "your a loser fake slave not worth my time". But most of the time I get nothing.

To be fair, Hib is right.  You have the word "respect" confused with the word courtesy.  The difference between the two is in the definition.  Respect means a particular esteem for a person, etc.  There's been no respect earned from two or three emails.  Common courtesy would be a way you would treat any other person, regardless of whether you had esteem for them or not.  You are referring to the latter.

quote:

I know I won't be compatible with everyone I talk to. Either they would have issues or I do. But why Do Dommes give subs so little respect as soon as they find out things won't work or they see things not being perfect for them?

OP, it has everything to do with sheer volume.  Even if I got as little as twenty emails a day, (which there are a couple of people on this thread can tell you that is not anywhere near what really happens) someone who is not good material for potential (for them) just isn't that high up on the totem pole. 

Imagine it like this.  You are the only person of your gender in a room filled with people who are the opposite of you.  Say it's even thirty to one.  You go into the room and you are the belle of the ball.  Everyone wants your attention.  In the room, you have varying degrees of familiarity with the other people who are in attendance.  Some are old friends and some you have never met.  You are there with your own ideas in mind.  You may be in the mood to laugh, to have fun, to flirt, or to engage in deep conversation.  If someone isn't that interesting to you, do you continue to talk to them or do you choose to spend your time with the other twenty-nine?

[quote}Saying those dommes are not real or fakes isn't true, as that isn't always the case.
Good choice.

quote:

I'm just curious.
I thank you and appreciate any and all answers given. Respectful or non. :)

Whether it was respectful or not, rather than just courteous, is your call.  It may, however, explain how some of us manage our affairs.


PS.  South Park is funny, will always be funny, or if nothing else, is still the old friend who used to be funny.


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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/4/2012 10:43:56 AM   
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If 'domina's' are talking until the picture exchange and then stop all contact... well... rocket science would have you believe it is one of two things going on. One... they didn't like your pictures or they got your pictures and what they wanted in the first place and have no further use of you. Its not difficult to send you pictures of who they wish you to blame for their actions. Which also means... they may not have been what you thought they were.

They were more than rude. They took advantage of you... you are justified in some frustration and maybe some anger if you wish to go there, but hell dude... you are totally angry and whinny and not just on this thread. Move on... heal your wounds and stop spreading your anger all over the place and onto people that had nothing to do with it.

Or... continue... see where that gets you. Chill.




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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/4/2012 10:49:19 AM   
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OP: your self depreciating manner is not attractive.

Further, you asked for our opinions, then resisted every single one except for the one that was given which seemed to match your thoughts succinctly. How about keeping an open mind if you truly wish to learn from this experience.


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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/4/2012 10:51:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lostnlooking9

I have a question for the Dommes out there. To preface I am not resentful or upset or angry or whatnot about this unlike some of the subs posting that I see. I'm just merely curious.

Basically why is so little respect given to subs?(in general not individuals you may know)
I understand the fact that there are so many of us and many don't deserve respect and that many of you dommes get "hundreds of messages a day"(which I find laughable. A lot of messages yes, that many? sounds inflated.)
So I don't mean about the lack of replies to messages sent to you.

What I mean is from messages that YOU send us. Or exchanges that you have with us.
Far too often, heck almost always, if I e-mail with a Domme back and forth, should the communication ends, it does just that, end.
No "sorry not interested" no "oh we're not compatible afterall" no "your not attractive to me" nothing. Just an end and and no reply ever returned.

I do my best to be respectful, and I have never sent any mean or nasty e-mails. Just normal conversational ones. I am always respectful and answer any questions they ask me and be myself and be honest.
And to be fair on occasion I do get a respectful end. But they come just as often as a disrespectful end "your a loser fake slave not worth my time". But most of the time I get nothing.

I know I won't be compatible with everyone I talk to. Either they would have issues or I do. But why Do Dommes give subs so little respect as soon as they find out things won't work or they see things not being perfect for them?

Saying those dommes are not real or fakes isn't true, as that isn't always the case.

I'm just curious.
I thank you and appreciate any and all answers given. Respectful or non. :)


Typically, when someone starts a statement that they are not resentful or angry, just the opposite is true. This thread has bore that out. Lost, your responses to that post provide further evidence. A huge pet peeve for me: someone asks a question and then argues with your response. You came in here resentful and angry and thus argued with people's honest attempts to explain something to you. Why did you ask the question in the first place? Did you think your petty protestations would change someone here? Do you think those that did respond would be the very same people who would do some of the things of which you complain? In my own life, if I frequently get a response that seems inappropriate to me, my first step is to look in the mirror. If you need to borrow one, let me know.

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/4/2012 10:53:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GloriousMorning

OP: your self depreciating manner is not attractive. You asked for our opinions, then resisted every single one except for the one that was given which seemed to match your thoughts succinctly.


Yes, and to me the OP's fake humility is particularly irksome. I didn't want to get personal, but it certainly makes sense that women check out soon after striking up a conversation with him.

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/4/2012 11:40:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana

quote:

ORIGINAL: GloriousMorning

OP: your self depreciating manner is not attractive. You asked for our opinions, then resisted every single one except for the one that was given which seemed to match your thoughts succinctly.


Yes, and to me the OP's fake humility is particularly irksome. I didn't want to get personal, but it certainly makes sense that women check out soon after striking up a conversation with him.


I must say, his avatar gives me Ideas.  Not about him, of course, but ideas generally. 

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/4/2012 12:44:00 PM   
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re: the avatar

IMO the man needs to be turned around and she needs to be sportin a big ole strapon. Just my somewhat slightly biased opinion ;)

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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/4/2012 12:44:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GloriousMorning

re: the avatar

IMO the man needs to be turned around and she needs to be sportin a big ole strapon. Just my somewhat slightly biased opinion ;)



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RE: Why is Respect Lacking? - 3/4/2012 12:45:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I don't think "disrespect" that word means what you think it does.


Could you please wait until I say "Inconceivable!" for the third time before you say that?



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