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kalikshama -> Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/3/2012 7:48:01 PM)

Hearing on women’s reproductive health and contraception before the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee held on Feb. 23, 2012

Transcript of testimony by Sandra Fluke, a student at Georgetown University Law School, a private Jesuit institution:

...“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.

“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.

“After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.

“I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’

“Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.

“On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she was sitting in a doctor’s office, trying to cope with the consequences of this medical catastrophe.

“Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats and weight gain and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32-years-old.

“As she put it, ‘If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.’

“Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at such an early age – increased risk of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis – she may never be able to conceive a child.

“Some may say that my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. I wish it were

“One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but that can’t be proven without surgery. So the insurance has not been willing to cover her medication – the contraception she needs to treat her endometriosis.

“Recently, another woman told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome and she’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it.

“Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medications since last August.

“I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.

“Because this is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends: A woman’s reproductive health care isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority.

“One woman told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered on the insurance and she assumed that that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handle all of women’s reproductive and sexual health care. So when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor, even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections, because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that – something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.

“As one other student put it: ‘This policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.’

“These are not feelings that male fellow student experience and they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.

“In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?

“We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.

“We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.

“We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.

“We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university.

“We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.

“And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

“Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.

“The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.

“Thank you very much.”

http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/




DarkSteven -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/3/2012 7:51:41 PM)

So instead of the health care covering BC pills, it had to cover an ovary removal. Not cost effective, not smart, and certainly not in the patient's best interests.




xssve -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/3/2012 9:14:27 PM)

All I know is that if these fucks spent half the time studying economics as they do getting crosseyed about birth control, the birthrate would shoot right up- turns out one of the biggest correlation with a rising birthrate is housing - finding enough privacy to boff your baby.

Homeless people rarely get pregnant it turns out.




manatthewheel -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/3/2012 10:01:00 PM)

Finally, someone with a practical explanation of the right wing's war on the middle class. It's BIRTH CONTROL... IT'S BEEN RIGHT THERE UNDER OUR NOSES THE WHOLE TIME




jlf1961 -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/4/2012 5:08:01 AM)

Isnt she the woman that got blasted by Rush for being a slut and whore? Also she only testified before the democrats, the Republicans did not let her testify in front of the full committee.




kalikshama -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/4/2012 5:22:37 AM)

Yes, how he twisted that into this escapes me:

"What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic] who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex -- what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."




kalikshama -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/4/2012 5:23:42 AM)

And then he doubled-down:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/01/rush-limbaugh-sandra-fluke_n_1313891.html

But instead of apologizing for his offensive comments on his show Thursday, he geared up for round two.

Channeling Foster Friess, a main financial backer of former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), Limbaugh said that he would "happily buy [Sandra Fluke] all the aspirin she wants" to put between her knees in lieu of contraception.

He then expanded his offer to the whole university:

"A Georgetown coed told Nancy Pelosi's hearing that the women in her law school program are having so much sex they're going broke, so you and I should have to pay for their birth control. So what would you call that? I called it what it is," he said. "So, I'm offering a compromise today: I will buy all of the women at Georgetown University as much aspirin to put between their knees as they want."

Limbaugh, of course, was referencing the controversial comment Friess made in February, when he referenced the "gals" in "his day" who put aspirin between their knees in lieu of using contraception.

Fluke's testimony in the hearing was not, as Limbaugh claimed, about the fact that she's "having so much sex she's going broke buying contraceptives." She told the story of her friend who had an ovary removed because the insurance company wouldn't cover the prescription birth control she needed to stop the growth of ovarian cysts.

Limbaugh concluded his sexist rant by insisting that if women want their contraception covered, they should post pornographic videos of themselves online. "So Miss Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here's the deal," he said. "If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."




farglebargle -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/4/2012 6:02:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Yes, how he twisted that into this escapes me:

"What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic] who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex -- what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."



Two things:

1) He's debasing her for his sexual pleasure. He's raping her in public for everyone to see.

2) INSURANCE BENEFITS ARE PAID FOR BY THE INSURED. No-one is looking for 'free' anything. They just want the PRIVATE CONTRACT BETWEEN THEM AND THE INSURER TO BE HELD PRIVATE.

3) It's a flat-out lie, and I really question the motivation of ANYONE repeating it. I would like to ask them, "Why are you defending these rapists and child molesters?" The demand for online sex videos give it all away. This is all about using and objectifying women for his sexual pleasure. You can't get any sicker than that.





Moonhead -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 7:26:13 AM)

Maybe anybody Limpdick interviews from now on should start the exchange by asking if he's stopped beating his wife yet? That seems to be about his level...




slvemike4u -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/4/2012 7:52:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Yes, how he twisted that into this escapes me:

"What does it say about the college co-ed Susan Fluke [sic] who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex -- what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."


What is it called when a party(the Republican Party to be precise) commits institutional suicide ?
Do they realize that woman vote ?
Sure,I realize that some woman happen to be virulently anti-abortion,but surely the majority of woman can recognize when war is being waged on their gender.
Look at the laws some of our more backwards states are now passing(Texas being the perfect example)how can American woman not realize that the Republican party wishes to return them to a state of perfect dependency,that they are nothing more than institutional misogynists ?
I have nieces(never had the pleasure of having my own daughter)that are as daughters to me,I will walk two of these lovely young ladies down the aisle one day(with great pride)what the Republican party would reduce these wonderful young ladies too has me incensed to no end.
Never before in my life have I been driven to be more partisan than I am today....and the funny thing,as well as the tragic,is that it is in response to being AGAINST something rather than for something.
Were I to head to a voting booth today any asshole with a D after his name would get my vote.Is that a bit ridiculous....yes it is,but not nearly as ridiculous as a party trying to drag this country back to the 1950's....all in all they really weren't "Happy Days"
rant over.




DarkSteven -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/4/2012 9:12:42 AM)

slvmike4u, it's even simpler than that. The GOP is kowtowing to someone who defames a college student as a slut and a prostitute. No spine, and this reinforces the image as a bunch of white men who denigrate women.




farglebargle -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and reprod (3/4/2012 9:19:43 AM)

No republican has the balls to stand up and call for his expulsion from the party.

Their silence is their consent. They're pussies.




Moonhead -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 9:19:46 AM)

As I've said before about this: if Republican apologists on here want to claim that Limpbaugh isn't the Republican leader, they'd better hurry and find an example of an actual elected party member standing up to the prick or making an effort to disclaim his bullshit. That behaviour has been very thin on the ground since the turn of the millennium, hasn't it?




MDomCouple -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 9:24:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

As I've said before about this: if Republican apologists on here want to claim that Limpbaugh isn't the Republican leader, they'd better hurry and find an example of an actual elected party member standing up to the prick or making an effort to disclaim his bullshit. That behaviour has been very thin on the ground since the turn of the millennium, hasn't it?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/speaker-boehner-denounces-limbaugh-slut-comments-obviously-inappropriate/




SternSkipper -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 9:30:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

As I've said before about this: if Republican apologists on here want to claim that Limpbaugh isn't the Republican leader, they'd better hurry and find an example of an actual elected party member standing up to the prick or making an effort to disclaim his bullshit. That behaviour has been very thin on the ground since the turn of the millennium, hasn't it?


http://www.mediaite.com/online/speaker-boehner-denounces-limbaugh-slut-comments-obviously-inappropriate/


The short version?
John Boehner (pronounced BONER everywhere else in the world) maintains his record of never being responsible for anyone or anything.
And I'll bet he was prompt about it.
Whatever.




MDomCouple -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 9:32:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

As I've said before about this: if Republican apologists on here want to claim that Limpbaugh isn't the Republican leader, they'd better hurry and find an example of an actual elected party member standing up to the prick or making an effort to disclaim his bullshit. That behaviour has been very thin on the ground since the turn of the millennium, hasn't it?


http://www.mediaite.com/online/speaker-boehner-denounces-limbaugh-slut-comments-obviously-inappropriate/


The short version?
John Boehner (pronounced BONER everywhere else in the world) maintains his record of never being responsible for anyone or anything.
And I'll bet he was prompt about it.
Whatever.


Someone asked for evidence that an elected Republican stood up to Limbaugh's comments. I provided said evidence. If you don't like that...well, that speaks more to your political bias than anything.




Moonhead -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 9:35:35 AM)

All Boehner says there is that the comments are "inappropriate", not that he disagrees or that Limpbaugh isn't speaking for him or his party.




farglebargle -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 9:38:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MDomCouple


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

As I've said before about this: if Republican apologists on here want to claim that Limpbaugh isn't the Republican leader, they'd better hurry and find an example of an actual elected party member standing up to the prick or making an effort to disclaim his bullshit. That behaviour has been very thin on the ground since the turn of the millennium, hasn't it?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/speaker-boehner-denounces-limbaugh-slut-comments-obviously-inappropriate/



I don't see Boeher EJECTING HIM FROM THE PARTY the way David Frum threw out the paleocons when they disagreed about the invasion of Iraq.

Get back to us when they actually do something to PUNISH the guy rather than this weak sauce...




MDomCouple -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 9:42:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


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ORIGINAL: MDomCouple


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

As I've said before about this: if Republican apologists on here want to claim that Limpbaugh isn't the Republican leader, they'd better hurry and find an example of an actual elected party member standing up to the prick or making an effort to disclaim his bullshit. That behaviour has been very thin on the ground since the turn of the millennium, hasn't it?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/speaker-boehner-denounces-limbaugh-slut-comments-obviously-inappropriate/



I don't see Boeher EJECTING HIM FROM THE PARTY the way David Frum threw out the paleocons when they disagreed about the invasion of Iraq.

Get back to us when they actually do something to PUNISH the guy rather than this weak sauce...

I love how people fake outrage, and then continually raise the bar.

"Denounce the guy!"
"Okay, here is evidence that he was denounced."
"Oh...umm...I mean, that's not enough. Umm...yeah, you should throw the guy out of the party!"

Why don't you just own up here? It doesn't matter what the GOP does, what a conservative says, or how many people denounce Limbaugh. So long as a conservative or Republican is involved, you'll make up reasons to scream, moan, and bitch. You are so insanely biased that you can't accept anything anyone does as being appropriate, unless they are a liberal or a Democrat.

Time to fess up to your, painfully obvious, bias fargle.




Owner59 -> RE: Transcript: Sandra Fluke testifies on why women should be allowed access to contraception and re (3/4/2012 9:45:25 AM)

Yeah Farg.......admit it....you`re a lefty.......[:D]




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