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Fightdirecto -> You think you're married? Maybe - maybe not (3/3/2012 9:16:13 PM)

Santorum backs nullifying existing gay marriages

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There are 18,000 married gay and lesbian couples in California and at least 131,000 nationwide according to the 2010 census, conducted before New York state legalized same-sex marriage in July.

Rick Santorum says he'll try to unmarry all of them if he's elected president...


The comments didn't attract nearly as much attention as Santorum's recent invocation of his Catholic faith to denounce government support for birth control, prenatal testing and resource conservation - which, in the last case, he attributed to President Obama's "phony theology."

But his declared intention to nullify past as well as future same-sex marriages has reinforced his position to the right of the other Republican contenders, even though each of them has also voiced fervent support for traditional unions.

Mitt Romney, who was governor of Massachusetts when the state's high court became the first in the nation to declare a right to same-sex marriage in 2003, backs a constitutional amendment to outlaw such marriages in the future, but says he'd leave currently wedded couples alone. Newt Gingrich also wants an amendment but hasn't said whether it would be retroactive.

Ron Paul opposes same-sex marriage but wants the federal government to stay out of it - no federal benefits for gay and lesbian couples, no federal court authority to overturn state laws like California's Proposition 8 and no constitutional amendments overriding a state's prerogative to decide which of its residents can marry...

Santorum's stance was endorsed by the Family Research Council, which was involved in an unsuccessful attempt to win passage of a constitutional amendment during George W. Bush's presidency...

Santorum's position is noteworthy because laws revoking individual rights are usually drafted, or interpreted by the courts, to apply only to future conduct....

That doesn't rule out the possibility of a U.S. constitutional amendment like the one Santorum favors, which would nullify existing same-sex marriages.


Being the good Roman Catholic that he claims to be, if "President " Santorum believes that all presently existing same-sex marriages should be declared void - would "President " Santorum next push to get all marriages not conducted by a Roman Catholic priest declared void as well? After all, his opposition to same-sex marraige is based on his understanding of the pre-Vatican II Council teachings/dogma of his church - wouldn't that also mean that he would oppose all marriages not conducted by the priests of his church?

I remember several Catholic kids in my neighborhood in the 1950's calling me a "bastard" because my parents got married in an Episcopal church and not a Catholic one - and the priests and the nuns at their school had taught them that meant my parents weren't really married.

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farglebargle -> RE: You think you're married? Maybe - maybe not (3/3/2012 9:22:17 PM)

Um... New York's Marriage Equality isn't anything new. Marriage has *ALWAYS* been defined as a civil contract, and per the model UCC, civil contracts are to be construed without regard to gender.

So, I'd wonder exactly what nitwit thinks that any DISINTERESTED THIRD PARTY has any place in the LEGAL CONTRACT OF TWO OTHER PEOPLE?

Don't they respect the right to enter into contracts?




Fightdirecto -> RE: You think you're married? Maybe - maybe not (3/3/2012 10:11:38 PM)

I may have finally found the answer to Rick Santorum's "theology". He may be a "traditionalist" Roman Catholic - a group that rejects Vatican II and all post-Vatican II changes to the church.

About us

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The Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ upon St. Peter. This is proven by history, Scripture and tradition. But the post-Vatican II “Church” is actually a counterfeit “Catholic” sect with new teachings, new practices and a New Mass – which all contradict the Catholic Faith of all times and the teaching of the Catholic popes in history. Vatican II was a council which took place from 1962-1965; this council started a revolution against the Catholic Faith and gave birth to this new countefeit “Catholic” sect. This website proves in tremendous detail that this post-Vatican II sect is not Catholic, that its leaders are not Catholic, that its fruits and teachings are not Catholic and not holy, and that this counterfeit sect was predicted in Sacred Scripture and in Catholic prophecy to arise in the last days as part of the Devil’s final assault on mankind.


If he is a member/believer in this or a similar "traditionalist" Catholic church, it would explain a lot.




DarkSteven -> RE: You think you're married? Maybe - maybe not (3/4/2012 12:16:24 AM)

What God has joined, let no man tear asunder.




Fightdirecto -> RE: You think you're married? Maybe - maybe not (3/4/2012 6:28:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

What God has joined, let no man tear asunder.


The dogma of the "traditionalist" Catholics, however, is that no couple is "joined by God" unless the "joining" is conducted by a Catholic priest. All other "joinings" are null and void and not valid, and the children born of those relationships are illegitimate bastards (like me [:D])




sirsholly -> RE: You think you're married? Maybe - maybe not (3/4/2012 6:38:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

What God has joined, let no man tear asunder.


The dogma of the "traditionalist" Catholics, however, is that no couple is "joined by God" unless the "joining" is conducted by a Catholic priest. All other "joinings" are null and void and not valid, and the children born of those relationships are illegitimate bastards

Perhaps it has changed, but when my parents married (catholic mother and normal dad) they were able to be joined by a catholic priest, though not in the actual church. They had to recite their vows in the vestibule. As an adult i found out i was still considered illegitimate.

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Edited to say the only reason they were able to be married by a priest at all was because my dad promised he would allow any children to be raised in the catholic religion.




Musicmystery -> RE: You think you're married? Maybe - maybe not (3/4/2012 7:14:17 AM)

I'm just thankful that with war, poverty, terrorism, unemployment, slow economy, weak dollar, cancer/AIDS/diabetes etc., natural disasters, education, health care, retirement, crime, and a host of other issues to distract, someone has the laser focus to realize the important tragedy facing America is whether gays are married.

Priorities. Important for a president.




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