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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 8:03:44 PM

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Limbaugh's audience is huge. That alone is worth lots to Clear Channel. I'll bet Limbaugh's ratings went up.
Cancel Rush?

then you've got nothing to worry or post defensively, ot even swap the word admonishment out for apology then ... right yachtie?

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 8:40:29 PM

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It is interesting, though that there's a petition on the whitehouse website (which we pay for) to remove Limbaugh from AFR.

I am not saying people don't have a right to ask for this. I'm saying: if it's on the whitehouse website, isn't that sort of "the government" endorsing the action ie; censorship to some degree?

The government petitions web site exists for whatever citizen concern, it wasn't created just for this particular petition.

It is interesting though, that you have no issue with broadcasting traitorous bile via tax payer funded AFR, yet have issue with a petition to remove what any good citizen would object to sending to service personnel of our country. That crap had no business being on AFR in the first place.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 9:27:28 PM

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The people signing the petition don't listen to Rush anyway, why would Clear Channel care?

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 9:37:56 PM

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I am not saying people don't have a right to ask for this. I'm saying: if it's on the whitehouse website, isn't that sort of "the government" endorsing the action ie; censorship to some degree?

You're only about 1/4 even in the ballpark here. The president should probably ignore or decline the one not pertaining to Rush being carried on Armed Forces Radio.

Now, with that said... it sounds like you're implying the "We The People" Petition app reflects a white house position. That's a rather gross distortion of the purpose of the "We The People" service. It's the people of America seeking redress or facilitation from their executive branch.
RTFM And see if you can get your head around the difference between the American People voicing THEIR Opinion Or WILL to the government that supposedly is there to represent them, and the Executive Branch's Response (Oh and then maybe note that they've yet to offer one?????).

The one pertaining to Rush being carried on Armed Forces Radio?
Not ONLY is it perfectly okay for irritated taxpayers to state that they don't want tp pat for one damned watt of that clown's derogatory garbage lobbed at our troops when they are in the middle of a war, it's not a liberal / conservative thing either.
My best friend from all the way back to kindergarten left his cushy office at Met Life 10 1/2 years ago to go active duty in the rank of Colonel in the US Army. D only recently went back to civilian life. He went back 4 times during that time. He's a card carrying republican.
When he called me to tell me he'd be saying a prayer for me since I was going under the knife. I joked with him about his sending a Special Forces Team to take me out for signing the petition. He not only said he signed it, but also added that he found it offensive as an intelligence officer to hear that stuff playing in rec areas and barracks. He felt it was bad for moral at best.
But whatever... you're saying it's being there makes it like the president or white house is 'taking a position' just plain fails once the purpose of the service is brought to light.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 9:47:41 PM

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Sandra Fluke, a law student at Georgetown University who was advocating for health insurance plans to cover the cost of contraception, became the target of a series of attacks by Limbaugh. Besides calling her a "slut," he also called her a "prostitute," said that he wanted her to make sex tapes and post them online, and speculated that she only had a problem paying for contraception because she was having "so much sex."

We who support Ms. Fluke, find that this is a serious offense enacted by Mr. Limbaugh and we ask that his radio show be terminated.

Rush Limbaugh's radio show is a part of the Clear Channel lineup. Let's send a message to them that no longer can they allow Rush Limbaugh the opportunity to spew hateful and sometimes derogatory comments. Sign the petition and help get this done.

Sign the petition: http://signon.org/sign/clear-channel-discontinue

Do you also want Bill Maher dropped from HBO? Keith Olberman? Chris Mathew?

Or are one sides insults okay but the others are not? Even after an apology?

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 9:51:50 PM

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Aylee, feel free to start a petition to get them fired, if you want.

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Do you also want Bill Maher dropped from HBO? Keith Olberman? Chris Mathew?

Or are one sides insults okay but the others are not? Even after an apology?

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 10:03:14 PM

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FR...
The people signing the petition don't listen to Rush anyway, why would Clear Channel care?

HAHAHA.... Nah they listen to lots of other clear channel products and also attend OR WON'T this year perhaps. Pretty limited understanding of how this works .... There's been no massive strategic miss here....Dude you're supposedly a first responder ... you shoulda called the EMTs last week sometime.... We got a bleeder!

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 10:29:43 PM

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I think that's what I was saying -- Rush isn't being censored.

It is interesting, though that there's a petition on the whitehouse website (which we pay for) to remove Limbaugh from AFR.

I am not saying people don't have a right to ask for this. I'm saying: if it's on the whitehouse website, isn't that sort of "the government" endorsing the action ie; censorship to some degree?

Peace and comfort,

Michael

I think you have to look at the purpose of that part of the whitehouse website.
Obama has stated the desire for more citizen involvement in government, perhaps due to the influence of Acorn and his own days as a citizen organizer. Part of his movement in that direction was creating an area on the Whitehouse website for citizen petitions. I think this is a great idea, in keeping with the founders desires to protect (and in theory promote) the right of citizens to petition the government for redress. You have every right to go to the same site and petition Obama not to require insurance companies to pay for contraception if you please.
So I would argue that since A, it does not represent the white house position (or they would just tell the DOD not to have Rush on AFR), and B, it promotes the ability of voters to communicate to the government, that it is a very good thing, and not government censorship at all.

Edit 1, replace interference with censorship. Edit 2, just want to be 100% clear, it isn't the government (or Obama, or the white house) endorsing anything, it is the people of the United States creating a petition. The web site just supports the rights of any group of citizens to create such petitions.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 11:11:57 PM

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It is interesting though, that you have no issue with broadcasting traitorous bile via tax payer funded AFR, yet have issue with a petition to remove what any good citizen would object to sending to service personnel of our country. That crap had no business being on AFR in the first place.

Excuse me but you're mis-representing me unfairly, here. I have no issue with opposing viewpoints from any direction being aired. I didn't petition to get Rush added to AFR. Someone in authority at AFR (and therefore, in the government) thought that there was some advantage to including Limbaugh. I specifically said that it was peoples' right to petition for this kind of thing.

I don't mind debating people on the issue but, you grossly mis-represented my position. I'd appreciate if that didn't happen again. In order to "fight" a strawman, one would need to be a blowhard. Considering your proven skill at building the former and my inability at the latter, you have me at a disadvantage.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/8/2012 11:47:48 PM

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Well, being that you painted the web site in question as being an attempt at government censorship and found objection to it while not stating any objection to the crap under discussion polluting AFR airwaves, I'm sure I'm not alone in my assessment of your sentiment.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 12:06:33 AM

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I have said on EVERY thread about this issue that the words he used were wrong and vile. EVERY thread (including earlier in this one).

But, you go right ahead, building your strawmen. You'll pardon me if I give them their due attention?

We're done, here.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 12:12:41 AM

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Broadcast on AFR was the issue, along with the petition website. I never claimed you agreed with the content itself.

Again, the sentiment expressed in your post was objection to the white house petition website, with no objection to the AFR carrying this crap to our service people.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 1:17:20 AM

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It is interesting though, that you have no issue with broadcasting traitorous bile via tax payer funded AFR...

I call: "Bullshit, Bob!". This was directed at me? You made a definitive, declarative statement attributing a certain position to me which I do not hold.

Just to clear things up: I have no issue with many different viewpoints getting out to the public no matter what the means of delivery. I have no issue with Bill Maher, calling Gov. Palin a "dumb twat" and a "cunt" except as regards to the silence from the pablum-puking lefties who don't seem to get as up in arms when other PPLs (Maher) attack people with whom they don't agree (Gov. Palin).

My only issue, here is that there seems to be a desire by some people to make sure that theirs is the only voice that's heard. That doesn't benefit a free society. Polite , thoughtful discourse is how issues get brought to light and minds get changed. Shouting one's opinion and then, shutting the other side up may not be government censorship but it is censorship, all the same.

I can't condone the behavior of the "If your opinion doesn't match mine, I'll do whatever I can to shut you up" crowd. Sorry. That is detrimental to the free and open exchange of ideas which is a necessity for a free society. It's also about a half a step up the intelligence scale from the six year-old, shouting their point of view and then, sticking their fingers in their ears and doing the "La-la-la-la-la" thing. It's a waste of time and pearls before swine.

That I didn't recognize that the "petition section" of the whitehouse website is there for any and all to use I have to bow and apologize. Mea culpa. That was a bad job on my part. I will own that. But, I will not own a position that you try to foist upon me.

I don't agree with a lot of what Limbaugh says and I don't agree, a lot of times, with how he makes his points but, a few million people do. I don't want those voices, represented by him, to be silenced because another segment of the population has decided that since they don't want to hear it, no one should hear it. It's counter-productive and anti-American.

Peace and comfort,

Michael

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 2:08:26 AM

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Again, I never claimed that you were in sympathy with whatever is spewed on that radio program, I merely pointed out that your objection to efforts in preventing that particular show from defiling the airwaves of AFR was in contrast to your as yet lack of objection to our troops being subjected to such harmful media to begin with.

And please, don't give us this 'just another view' crap. I got plenty and every variety of different viewpoints on matters long before Limbaugh ever came along. Rush is nothing more than a destroyer. He found an audience of losers who find resonance in his loser mentality. Definitely not what I want the soldiers to be hearing. If Limbaugh were taken out of the equation, there is nothing whatsoever to prevent anyone from finding or having access to any sane expression of different or dissenting opinion they might seek.

I know that you are not sticking up for Limbaugh's loser mindset, but I think that your "right for him to express" cause might be better directed towards more worthy endeavors. Especially as regarding our troops.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 2:14:55 AM

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I want the soldiers to hear whatever they want to hear. In this case, I don't care what you want them to hear.

I would suggest that there's a Limbaugh following in the military or his show wouldn't still be broadcast on AFR. I would further suggest that it's a large enough following to have "lived through" 1½ democratic presidencies (since Rush is primarily involved in putting down the dems, that's where my focus is) which suggests that support for the show via listenership outweighs whatever desire those administrations may have had to discontinue the broadcast.

I'll say it again: It's not about what you want the troops listening to (as you try to limit their choice). It's about what the troops want to listen to.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 2:33:37 AM

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Oh good then, glad that's cleared up. By that notion the soldiers should be allowed indulgence in whatever amount of heroin or meth they want to partake of.

I might have to take back my notion that you don't find some resonance yourself in what Rush says, because frankly, your 'protesting too loudly' on this matter is saying otherwise. And in case you forgot to notice, yes I am a taxpayer and a citizen of a country that sends troops around the world and I will have a say in what little details of that I might, and I want better for them. No apologies here for that.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 2:37:39 AM

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Oh good then, glad that's cleared up. By that notion the soldiers should be allowed indulgence in whatever amount of heroin or meth they want to partake of.

There you go, again. Where the FUCK did I say that? I was talking about what troops should be allowed to listen to. Nice try but, you're making scarecrows, again. I had you on "hide" and gave you another chance but, you're being assinine and I have better things to do.

We really are done, here. Thank you for wasting my time.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 2:45:26 AM

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No surprise here. Limbaugh is one large sized 'ignore' button to reality. That's the audience.

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 4:47:20 AM

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Limbaugh's audience is huge. That alone is worth lots to Clear Channel. I'll bet Limbaugh's ratings went up.
Cancel Rush?

then you've got nothing to worry or post defensively, ot even swap the word admonishment out for apology then ... right yachtie?

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RE: Petition: Clear Channel: Discontinue Rush Limbaugh'... - 3/9/2012 5:10:27 AM

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Oh good then, glad that's cleared up. By that notion the soldiers should be allowed indulgence in whatever amount of heroin or meth they want to partake of.

I might have to take back my notion that you don't find some resonance yourself in what Rush says, because frankly, your 'protesting too loudly' on this matter is saying otherwise. And in case you forgot to notice, yes I am a taxpayer and a citizen of a country that sends troops around the world and I will have a say in what little details of that I might, and I want better for them. No apologies here for that.

WHAT?!?! What AFR broadcasts equates to heroine or meth use in your mind?

LMAO. AFR broadcasts Obama's speeches too.

Hmmm. You might have a point

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