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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 6:29:32 AM

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Brilliant vid from Rachel, Id like to thank those cons who suggested her
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#46675930

Ta for that vid. Hell's bells. Watching that was the first time it'd really hit me just how much the religious right has taken over the GOP.

Grasshopper...Im not just "ranting" about this for shits n giggles.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 6:37:45 AM

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Well, you're a bit young to remember all the kerfuffle about Reagan handing the Republican party over to them, but surely you recall watching Pat Robertson electioneering for the chimp?

Such events obtruded onto my consciousness, but didn't quite coalesce there, if you know what I mean.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 6:38:44 AM

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And she seems to forget some of the degrading things that Ed Schultz and Bill Maher have said about women.

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try again,
You didnt watch the video tho did you, cos RUSH has very very little to do with this video this is about the GOP attacking womens health and birth control issues
Try being relevant to the topic please.
regarding maher....
WHat about hannity and o reilly an coulter and malkin and breitbart and all the other attacks on women and other people ???
complete red herring and a poor excuse.

I didn't watch the video, cuz the title of this thread indicates that RACHEL'S vid lies about the issue being a GOP war on women.
Absolute, complete and total red herring and a poor obfuscation.
Try being honest about the real issue -- the Dems war on the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 6:42:41 AM

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Being ignorant of the facts is your choice.

I cant force you to be right.

I mean I would expect you change habits midlife????
As you havent watched the video, you cant comment on ANY OF IT being a red, herring, or lies, or obfuscation.
1100 bills cant be taken as obfuscation tho?
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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 7:35:09 AM

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Being ignorant of the facts is your choice.

I cant force you to be right.

I mean I would expect you change habits midlife????
As you havent watched the video, you cant comment on ANY OF IT being a red, herring, or lies, or obfuscation.
1100 bills cant be taken as obfuscation tho?
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thankyou for your" uninformed opinion"

Lying about the facts is your choice.

I can't force you to believe the facts.

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink." -- Unkown. Better yet, "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." -- usurper Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro aka Soebarkah

As I've watched Rachel Maddow lie and obfuscate about this issue on tv several times, I don't need to watch a video of her doing the same things yet again to know its nothing but a lying red herring obfuscation.

1100 unenacted Constitutional GOP bills vs 1 enacted unConstitutional DEM Act can indeed be taken as obfuscation.

Thank you for your non-factual opinion.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 7:54:33 AM

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Well,...it only confirms that cons are out of touch and would rather impose their POVs on women than have a discussion with women about woman`s health and their bodies.

We`re only to glad to expose the right`s extreme agenda and mean spiritedness......with your help of course.......

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 8:15:51 AM

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LMAO nope my facts are facts, not opinions..
Not lies either...
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Here are just a few of the bills PASSED, not proposed but PASSED already. Now what was that you were saying about non facts?

On February 11, 2011, the North Dakota House of Representatives passed House Bill 1450; a bill which seeking to define a fertilized egg as a human being. As Planned Parenthood reports, “HB 1450 is backed by a national activist group, Personhood USA, working to make North Dakota the epicenter of a heated national debate.”
http://www.northdecoder.com/Latest/north-dakota-house-passed-dangerous-personhood-billagain.html

Idaho is the latest state, inspired by Nebraska’s example, to put such a law on the books. Senate Bill 1165 bans abortion after 20 weeks but leaves no loophole even for cases of rape.
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/539078/idaho_latest_state_considering_draconian%2C_anti-woman_abortion_bans/

Nebraska banned abortions after 20 weeks on the unscientific grounds that fetuses feel pain at that gestational age. Shortly thereafter, Danielle Deaver discovered at 22 weeks she had a pregnancy that could not result in a living baby. Yet Nebraska law denied her an abortion. Nebraska is not alone, and Deaver will not be alone. Legislators in 12 other states — Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, New Mexico and Oregon — are considering similar laws. But banning abortion could not save Deaver’s fetus: With undeveloped lungs, the baby likely would never survive outside the womb, and because all the amniotic fluid had drained, the tiny growing fetus slowly would be crushed by the uterus walls. On Dec. 8, Deaver delivered 1-pound, 10-ounce Elizabeth, who, as doctors had predicted, lived for only 15 minutes outside the womb.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/20-week-abortion-ban-nebraska-oklahoma-fetus-feel/story?id=13116214#.T14NpjFSRuI

In Iowa a pregnant woman was arrested for falling down a flight of stairs. Yes, for falling down a flight of stairs. You see, following a fight on the phone with her husband, Christine Taylor fell down a flight of. Like any responsible pregnant woman would, she went to the hospital to check on the fetus – and was arrested thanks to one of the many state laws that grant fetuses rights separate from the mother. Iowa has a “feticide” law that pertains to the second trimester and beyond, and since Taylor confessed that she had contemplated abortion but had chosen to have the baby, the nurse and doctor at the hospital decided to phone the police and accuse her of trying to terminate her pregnancy illegally. She was fortunate not to be charged with a crime – for falling down the stairs.

http://news.change.org/stories/pregnant-iowa-woman-arrested-for-falling-down

The Texas State House of Representatives has passed the Sonogram Bill (HB 15), a measure requiring women to get a sonogram before ending a pregnancy, forcing even victims of rape to have a sonogram at least 24 hours before the procedure. Gov. Rick Perry has signed the bill into law, which takes effect September 1, 2011. There are exceptions in cases of rape and incest.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Mandatory-sonograms-before-abortions-bill-ready/V1zhOWc3mkG9ngcAeBGXYw.cspx?rss=68

In Ohio, Janet Porter’s “Heartbeat Bill” criminalizing abortion and which was backed by Newt Gingrich and Michele Bachmann, passed the Ohio State House on June 28, 2011. “It prohibits abortions after only about six weeks, a time when many women do not yet even know they are pregnant,” said Armond Budish, leader of the Democratic caucus in the House.

The Oklahoma House of Representatives voted 94 to 2 to a ban on abortion’s later than 20 weeks of gestation similar to Nebraska’s in what it called the “Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act.” Bill 1888 will go on to the state Senate.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 1:09:40 PM

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OR.... "Are we having fun yet?" - Zippy The Pinhead - Model for the modern republican.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 2:43:57 PM

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QUESTION: For the VAST MAJORITY of women, what is the treatable/preventative DISEASE/ILLNESS that warrants mandating contraception as a "health issue"

What about the fact that having (more) babies can leave a woman (and the rest of her family) so poor that they can no longer live healthily?

Problem Solved -- for only $2.86 ! ! !

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/lifestyles-skyn-premium-polyisoprene-non-latex-lubricated-condoms/ID=prod4021750-product

Gee... that was a tough one?!!

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 5:45:16 PM

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I didn't watch the video, cuz the title of this thread indicates that RACHEL'S vid lies about the issue being a GOP war on women.
Absolute, complete and total red herring and a poor obfuscation.
Try being honest about the real issue -- the Dems war on the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Theres your problem....not watching the video.

As we say in the UK........ignorance is bliss.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 6:33:26 PM

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 7:32:14 PM

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...people PAY for health insurance. Oral contraceptives must be prescribed by doctors.

People PAY for health insurance and scripts like Lipitor, Celebrex, various antibotics, and so forth are "prescribed by doctors" too -- but THOSE SCRIPTS ARE NOT FREE!!! The Libs/Lefties, however, want contraception to be COMPLETELY FREE under the guise of their FABRICATED FALSE PREMISE that contraception is an alleged "health" issue, when it's not.

If contraception is, in fact, a "health" issue, then answer this simple question:

What DISEASE/ILLNESS affecting the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. women warrants mandating FREE CONTRACEPTION under the guise of an alleged "health" issue?!!

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 7:42:20 PM

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QUESTION: For the VAST MAJORITY of women, what is the treatable/preventative DISEASE/ILLNESS that warrants mandating contraception as a "health issue"

What about the fact that having (more) babies can leave a woman (and the rest of her family) so poor that they can no longer live healthily?

Problem Solved -- for only $2.86 ! ! !

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/lifestyles-skyn-premium-polyisoprene-non-latex-lubricated-condoms/ID=prod4021750-product

Gee... that was a tough one?!!

The effectiveness of condoms based on typical use is 85%. So 15 out of a hundred will get pregnant.

Oral contraception even when used irregularly or improperly has an effectiveness rate of more like 95%. So only 5 out of a hundred will get pregnant.

So oral contraceptives are 3 TIMES as effective in preventing pregnancy. We would have 3 TIMES the number of unwanted pregnancies if people were to rely solely on condoms for birth control.

So given the difference is 10 pregnancies per 100 - what exactly is you PLAN to deal with the 10 unwanted pregnancies per 100 that we would have without oral contraceptives. Are you willing to help out those 10 women by paying out of your pocket to help them with their children. At an average cost of $200,000 are you willing to pay $2,000,000 of your personal money to these women for the additional expense of these children. And if you are NOT willing to spend $2,000,000 of YOUR money, what makes you think you have the right to insist that they use condoms for birth control and then have to pay for an unwanted child? Who gave you that right? If you want to tell me and other women what kind of contraception we are allowed to use, then I would like to hold you personally responsible for the expenses when I have a child. Deal?

If you really believe in your position, then put your money where your mouth is. Start paying for the unwanted children. Let's see how quickly that gets old for you.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 7:49:25 PM

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...people PAY for health insurance. Oral contraceptives must be prescribed by doctors.

People PAY for health insurance and scripts like Lipitor, Celebrex, various antibotics, and so forth are "prescribed by doctors" too -- but THOSE SCRIPTS ARE NOT FREE!!! The Libs/Lefties, however, want contraception to be COMPLETELY FREE under the guise of their FABRICATED FALSE PREMISE that contraception is an alleged "health" issue, when it's not.

If contraception is, in fact, a "health" issue, then answer this simple question:

What DISEASE/ILLNESS affecting the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. women warrants mandating FREE CONTRACEPTION under the guise of an alleged "health" issue?!!

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various antibotics

Are free. Check out most pharmacies. Giant Eagles offers some for free, as does Walmart.

FREE Antibiotics

Get up to a 14-day supply of the following generic oral antibiotics free:
Amoxicillin
Ampicillin
Cephalexin (capsules and suspension only)
Sulfamethoxazole/Trimethoprim (SMZ-TMP)
Ciprofloxacin (excluding Ciprofloxacin XR)
Penicillin VK
Doxycycline Hyclate (capsules only)

Publix

http://www.publix.com/pharmacy/Free-Medications.do

Oh, and some diabetis medications are now free as well. See the above link, or check out a pharmacy near you!

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 7:57:03 PM

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From webmd.com

http://women.webmd.com/endometriosis/ss/slideshow-endometriosis-overview

"Most women have mild pain with their menstrual periods."

"Endometriosis is one cause of severe menstrual pain. But the pain can be caused by another condition, such as fibroids, which are noncancerous growths of the muscle tissue of the uterus. Fibroids can cause severe cramps and heavier bleeding during your period."

"Your doctor will perform a pelvic exam to check the ovaries, uterus, and cervix for anything unusual. An exam can sometimes reveal an ovarian cyst or internal scarring that may be due to endometriosis. The doctor also looks for other pelvic conditions that could cause symptoms similar to endometriosis."

"Laparoscopy is the only sure way to determine if you have endometriosis. A surgeon inflates the abdomen with gas through a small incision in the navel. A laparoscope is a viewing instrument that's inserted through the incision. The surgeon can take small pieces of tissue for examination in a lab -- called a biopsy -- to confirm the diagnosis."

"Pain medications such as acetaminophen and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen or naproxen often help relieve the pain and cramping that comes with endometriosis. However, these medicines only treat the symptoms and not the underlying endometriosis."

"Oral contraceptives manage your levels of estrogen and progestin, which make your menstrual periods shorter and lighter. That often reduces the pain of endometriosis. Your doctor may prescribe pills to be taken continuously, with no breaks for a menstrual period, or progestin-only therapy. Progestin-only therapy can also be given by injection. Endometriosis symptoms may return after you stop taking the pills."

"During a laparoscopy, the surgeon may remove visible endometrial growths or adhesions. Most women have immediate pain relief. However, a year after the surgery, about 45% of women will have a recurrence of symptoms. The likelihood of recurrence increases over time. Hormone therapy after surgery may improve the outcome."

"Severe cases of endometriosis may require laparotomy, or open abdominal surgery, to remove growths, or even a hysterectomy -- removal of the uterus and possibly all or part of the ovaries. Although this treatment has a high success rate, endometriosis still recurs for about 15% of women who had their uterus and ovaries removed."

"For most women, endometriosis recedes with menopause. Some women find relief from endometriosis during pregnancy. In some cases, endometriosis symptoms may simply go away. About one-third of women with mild endometriosis will find that their symptoms resolve on their own." I included this because I am one of the women for whom completion of menopause did not alleviate my endometriosis.

From Cancer.org

Birth control pills

Using birth control pills (oral contraceptives) lowers the risk of endometrial cancer. The risk is lowest in women who take the pill for a long time, and this protection continues for at least ten years after a woman stops taking this form of birth control.

"Everyone is at risk of developing cancer at some point in their life. Certain activities may increase this risk."

From Everydayhealth.com

"Normally the uterus leans slightly over the bladder in the center of the pelvis, about one and a half inches above the pubic bone. It is held in this position by muscles, the vaginal wall and ligaments that attach it to the back, front, and sides of the pelvis. Uterine ligaments are made to stretch to accommodate a growing fetus inside and to move freely when the bladder or bowel is full. The ligaments and muscles can weaken and loosen, causing the uterus to fall downward, forward, backward or to either side.

A uterus in any of these positions is called tilted, tipped or displaced. Modern medicine has little or nothing to offer women with this problem but options may include using the birth control pill, muscle relaxants, or surgery.

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Below is the question which was originally asked and answered.

"QUESTION: For the VAST MAJORITY of women, what is the treatable/preventative DISEASE/ILLNESS that warrants mandating contraception as a "health issue"?!!"

For the vast majority of women, endometriosis, cancer, fibroids etc. are all 'disease/illness' that warrents mandating contraception as a health issue.

Thank you to VideoAdminGamma for sending my posts back to me and allowing me to repost my work. I shall take the advice in your email to me but did want to acknowledge that you did exactly what you said you would do and sent them all back to me thus saving me a boat load of work in trying to recreate my posts so I can share them with Himself and all the links that go with it many of which are directly correlated to my own 'health' issues with which I must deal simply because I am a woman and its not possible for a man to have the same issues.

I've answered the original question and resolved the issue to my own satisfaction.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 8:00:22 PM

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...people PAY for health insurance. Oral contraceptives must be prescribed by doctors.

People PAY for health insurance and scripts like Lipitor, Celebrex, various antibotics, and so forth are "prescribed by doctors" too -- but THOSE SCRIPTS ARE NOT FREE!!! The Libs/Lefties, however, want contraception to be COMPLETELY FREE under the guise of their FABRICATED FALSE PREMISE that contraception is an alleged "health" issue, when it's not.

If contraception is, in fact, a "health" issue, then answer this simple question:

What DISEASE/ILLNESS affecting the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. women warrants mandating FREE CONTRACEPTION under the guise of an alleged "health" issue?!!

Women still die from childbirth. Women who because of poverty have limited access to pre-natal care are even more likely to suffer serious, sometimes fatal issues during pregnancy and labor. Around 5% of women develop Type II diabetes during pregnancy. Around 5% of women develop asthma during pregnancy. Around 2-18% of women develop some form of hypertension during pregnancy.

If serious diseases like Type II diabetes, asthma and hypertension are not a "DISEASE/ILLNESS" then what, exactly, are these things? Last I heard, these were all categorized as a disease by absolutely everyone in the medical community.

And if death isn't a health issue then why do we cover the costs to treat cancer, or why do we cover the costs of angioplasty?

Avoiding pregnancy is not an "alleged" healthcare issue unless you think the things I've listed above are not healthcare issues. Try telling people who have diabetes, or asthma or hypertension that they DON'T have a health issue. Better yet, try telling someone who is dead that they DON'T have a health issue. Yes, well, I guess, you're right. When you are dead you actually no longer have any health issues. Is that what you meant?

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 8:01:33 PM

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 8:06:37 PM

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The effectiveness of condoms based on typical use is 85%... Oral contraception even when used irregularly or improperly has an effectiveness rate of more like 95%.

So what?!! The issue is NOT which form of contraception is more effective -- it's PROVIDING IT FREE, at the expense of others for YOUR CHOICE to have sex. Nobody is forcing you to HAVE SEX, are they?!! No... I don't think so. PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMN CONTRACEPTION.

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RE: Maddow takes a look at GOP war on women - 3/12/2012 8:19:52 PM

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Nice try... now show the STATISTICS that prove the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. women suffer from some disease/illness that warrants mandating FREE contraception. Your post is a joke... "mild pain"?!!

LOL

According to your logic, we should throw in Vitamin D as a FREEBIE too, as "Higher Vitamin D May Lower Risk of Developing MS". I understand you couldn't answer the question, and couldn't provide ANY PROOF whatsoever of an disease/illness affecting the vast majority of U.S. women -- and copy/pasting the drivel you did only proves it.

Wanna try again with some ACTUAL scientifically valid medical statistics proving the VAST MAJORITY of U.S. women should be on contraception? No??? Thanks for playing. You lose... again.

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