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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 12:15:41 PM   
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Either that or allow anyone regardless of US citizenship to vote. That's what it comes down too. The left desires "utility bill" voting. Have a utility bill? Vote!

Yeah, let's win elections fairly


As an aside, I notice how the costs are viewed boo-hoo negatively. The ID itself may cost between $10 and $30
But, that's the mere cost of ONE new fangled green light bulb. We all know how the highly left approves of them





concidering that in most states to get a home or an apartment and to GET a utility bill u have to prove who u are, its been a standard for decades....including when GOP presidents got voted in. So its benefited the GOP just as much as the DFL.

as for ur "aside" I'd hate to be where u are to pay so much for only "ONE new fangled green light bulb" .... u must going to the GOP/WEALTHY store! Most people can get a 3-6 pack of floresent bulbs (depending on wattage) for $10.... and I bet even u Yachtie have the common sense to have a few engery saving bulbs in ur house by now.... if not, then it would explain why u think the bulbs cost so much, u didnt look at them in the first place.

lets be real here, if the GOP had won the white house in 2008, none of this trying to cull the voting herd to only who agrees with them as much as possible, would not be even talked about let alone be an action they are working so hard to affect it,.. before they get in their veiw thumped again by the lowly rabble of working people. For those of u who have bitched about socialism of late, this is part of the same tactics that hitler used to get himself elected to chancellor.

Has any of u in the GOP thought that if ur ideals were SO good for the poor sections of the country that u wouldnt have to stoop to such tactics to win? I mean really, just sayin..









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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 1:54:32 PM   
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As if the racist classist right in this country has not been behind tactics like this since time immemorial.

This is not about voter fraud (for those of you raising that issue). This is about parties trying to PREVENT the supporters of their opponents from exercising their Constitutionally protected right to vote in a federal election.

Their are NO literacy requirements for voting. A person can be apathetic about government, illiterate, and many other things, but they are still allowed to vote. A person can be ignorant of the laws of their own country, but they are still allowed to vote. That's the way the law works. Those of you who don't like it, can try to change the Constitution.

Until then, these GOP efforts are simply designed to interfere with an individual's right to vote. Pure and simple.

The GOP does not believe in the American Constitution. Why any American would support a party that does not support the Constitution is beyond me.

And I am in agreement with the poster who commented on Hitler's election tactics. Yes, our freedoms will only last as long as we protect them. Those of you who support people who do not support the Constitution and who break the law in order to get elected, be careful what you wish for.....

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 2:56:38 PM   
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As an aside, I notice how the costs are viewed boo-hoo negatively. The ID itself may cost between $10 and $30

Maybe if you were better informed you'd understand that charging people any amount to be able to vote is unconstitutional and deeply unamerican.
See:
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Harper v Virginia Board of Elections


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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 7:55:12 PM   
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As if the racist classist right in this country has not been behind tactics like this since time immemorial.
This is not about voter fraud (for those of you raising that issue). This is about parties trying to PREVENT the supporters of their opponents from exercising their Constitutionally protected right to vote in a federal election.
Their are NO literacy requirements for voting. A person can be apathetic about government, illiterate, and many other things, but they are still allowed to vote. A person can be ignorant of the laws of their own country, but they are still allowed to vote. That's the way the law works. Those of you who don't like it, can try to change the Constitution.
Until then, these GOP efforts are simply designed to interfere with an individual's right to vote. Pure and simple.
The GOP does not believe in the American Constitution. Why any American would support a party that does not support the Constitution is beyond me.
And I am in agreement with the poster who commented on Hitler's election tactics. Yes, our freedoms will only last as long as we protect them. Those of you who support people who do not support the Constitution and who break the law in order to get elected, be careful what you wish for.....


Yeah, the stupid GOP! Forcing American Citizens to prove who they are to vote. Damn bastards! Maybe we're disenfranchising all the illegals and legally visiting immigrants by not letting them decide who gets to run our country. How dare US Citizens do that!

School ID's...I agree shouldn't be allowed. VA ID's...different story. Those should be allowed, IMO.

Ohio Driver's License: $25.75 every 4 years.
Ohio State ID: $8.50 every 4 years.

You can not hold both at the same time.

You don't drive? You don't have to get a ODL. State ID isn't exactly cost prohibitive, now is it?

In Ohio, between the '04 and '08 elections, they passed laws making it legal to register to vote and vote on the same day without requiring your registration being validated first. The sheer volume of new registrations made it impossible to verify all the new registrations prior to Election Day.

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/10/brunner_says_voter_registratio.html

http://trustreagan.com/2008/10/10/ohio-sec-of-state-jennifer-brunner-violated-federal-election-law/

But, you know, you are sorta correct. We are trying to suppress votes. Just the votes from those who aren't American Citizens.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 7:59:01 PM   
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As the law is passed in TN, if you don't drive and desire a state issued ID so you can vote, it is free. There have been a few problems with folks who are elderly and don't have birth certificates.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 8:12:31 PM   
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as for ur "aside" I'd hate to be where u are to pay so much for only "ONE new fangled green light bulb" .... u must going to the GOP/WEALTHY store! Most people can get a 3-6 pack of floresent bulbs (depending on wattage) for $10


His whole "rub the Green's noses in it" thread was a fucking MYTH anyway. It amazes me how much time people wishing a foregone conclusion waste hunting down a few badly researched/written articles to support their fantasy.
I have no doubt this thread is simply more of the same.


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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 8:22:52 PM   
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This is absurd. Only a democrat would think anyone who steps foot on American soil should be alllowed to vote. In fact, I remember watching on the news one time a reporter suggesting that even Illegal aliens should be allowed to vote. Why stop there? Hell, let's let Russians and Chinese vote in our elections too. Don't forget the Iranians too.

I also saw a video where someone in Minnesota registered Tim Tebow to vote and the election workers knew it was funny, but they just said that they aren't the police. It's not their job to investigate.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 8:25:26 PM   
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This is absurd. Only a democrat would think anyone who steps foot on American soil should be alllowed to vote. In fact, I remember watching on the news one time a reporter suggesting that even Illegal aliens should be allowed to vote. Why stop there? Hell, let's let Russians and Chinese vote in our elections too. Don't forget the Iranians too.

I also saw a video where someone in Minnesota registered Tim Tebow to vote and the election workers knew it was funny, but they just said that they aren't the police. It's not their job to investigate.


You need to go to Hialeah, FL and see who votes. Lots of folks who are in nursing homes who aren't even totally conscious vote every election.

Did I mention they weren't born here?
Did I also mention they're staunch Republicans?

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 8:28:26 PM   
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Ohio State ID: $8.50 every 4 years.

You can not hold both at the same time.

You don't drive? You don't have to get a ODL. State ID isn't exactly cost prohibitive, now is it?


Here's some good advice if you are as fiscally concerned as you try to indicate... Have an option for a free state ID acceptable at the polls. Because I can guarantee any state law that requires a FEE to exercise a RIGHT.
Why do you think that in every state they lecture people practically to death with "A Driver's license is a privilege, not a right"? It's not so they can take the privilege away when they deem necessary without certain formalities... and to protect a revenue stream.
Such will NOT stand with state IDs ... And BTW That is ridiculously low for a state ID.


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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 8:29:15 PM   
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This is absurd. Only a democrat would think anyone who steps foot on American soil should be alllowed to vote. In fact, I remember watching on the news one time a reporter suggesting that even Illegal aliens should be allowed to vote. Why stop there? Hell, let's let Russians and Chinese vote in our elections too. Don't forget the Iranians too.

I also saw a video where someone in Minnesota registered Tim Tebow to vote and the election workers knew it was funny, but they just said that they aren't the police. It's not their job to investigate.


Lol,you remember that,eh?
Well as long as you remember it,than the rest of us will just take you word for it.
Do you happen to remember whether or not this "reporter"went on to have a long and distinguished career(one would figure that holding such heretical liberal thoughts would stand one in good stead in the world of left wing media),perhaps going on to Network fame...an anchor spot on one of the big networks maybe?

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 8:32:21 PM   
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You shouldn't watch O'keefe and believe any of it.

In most(all?) parts of the US anyone can fill out a registration form with any information they want. The registrar is then required by law to turn them in, even if they know they are fraudulent. The Board of Elections (or equivalent) is responsible for verifying the validity of all registration applications. That's why you get sent a postcard or letter with your polling place info which is labeled to not be forwarded and return postage guaranteed. Then the undelivered and returned registrations are challenged off the voting rolls.

The simple fact is the GOP is lying about the need to protect the process from voter fraud. There has been next to no vote fraud for decades. They're just trying to disenfranchise demographic groups that are prone to not being Republican voters since they can see that the nations demographics are swinging against them in a decisive way.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/11/2012 11:14:33 PM   
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I completely agree that there should be a free alternative ID that contains all the necessary information to verify identify (name, address, photo, and DOB). I do not agree that the requirement to present photo ID is a conspiracy to disenfranchise voters in the absence of a free option. It may be unconstitutional, but so are many laws that get passed in good faith.

To the person who claimed that utility bills were the same as photo IDs, do you throw your ID in the garbage every month when the new one comes in? Does your utility company verify your legal right to vote? I had a utility bill before I was eighteen, so i'm pretty sure they don't all do that.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/12/2012 2:42:36 AM   
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Ohio State ID: $8.50 every 4 years.
You can not hold both at the same time.
You don't drive? You don't have to get a ODL. State ID isn't exactly cost prohibitive, now is it?

Here's some good advice if you are as fiscally concerned as you try to indicate... Have an option for a free state ID acceptable at the polls. Because I can guarantee any state law that requires a FEE to exercise a RIGHT.


I would have absolutely no problem with there being the option for a free State ID. I would even support the current State ID being the free ID.

quote:


Why do you think that in every state they lecture people practically to death with "A Driver's license is a privilege, not a right"? It's not so they can take the privilege away when they deem necessary without certain formalities... and to protect a revenue stream.


And because driving is a privilege and not a right. Don't forget there is no right to drive.

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Such will NOT stand with state IDs ... And BTW That is ridiculously low for a state ID.


http://bmv.ohio.gov/fees_for_services.stm

Left hand column. I have no reason to lie about the price.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/12/2012 5:43:50 AM   
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Everyone should step back and just think for a moment about the history of voting in this country and how voting restrictions were actually APPLIED in the past. For example, in the past when local governments instituted things like literacy requirements, while on their face, the law did not seem wrong, the way it was enforced was that it was enforced to make it impossible for African-Americans to vote. No white person had to prove they were literate to vote. Only blacks did.

Let's not get bogged down on whether on its face these laws look reasonable. Everyone needs to really be honest with themselves and think about what the actual intent is behind these laws and HOW they will be used to prevent CERTAIN people from voting. That is what the issue is here. And anyone who says otherwise needs to go read some more about AMERICAN history.

All of you going on and on about AMERICA - well yes, then read AMERICAN history and see what the history of voting restrictions really is about. Then come back to this board and tell the rest of us with a straight face that these laws are actually INTENDED to be fair and will NOT be MISUSED in any way to prevent people from being able to exercise their right to vote. If you can absolutely guarantee that in every corner, and every jurisdiction of this country that no one will use these rules to illegal effect then fine - but let's be honest. That is simply not true. Show me when in history voting restrictions were not used in nefarious ways.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/12/2012 6:02:28 AM   
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I would have absolutely no problem with there being the option for a free State ID. I would even support the current State ID being the free ID.


Hey, for once, we've found common ground!

FYI, in my state, the state ID is $25: http://www.mass.gov/rmv/license/13bMAID.htm

You must present the following:

* Document proving date of birth
* Document proving signature
* Document proving Massachusetts residency
* A Social Security Number (SSN) that the RMV can verify with the U.S. Social Security Administration (SSA) as having been issued to you OR an acceptable Denial Notice from the SSA. If you present a Denial Notice, you must also present proof of acceptable visa status, an I-94 (Record of Arrival and Departure), and a current non-U.S. Passport.

You must provide one document from each list below to prove Massachusetts residence, signature, and date of birth. These must be three different documents.

In addition, you must provide a verifiable SSN or a Denial Notice (not more than 60 days old) issued by the SSA with a visa, I-94, and current non-US Passport.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/12/2012 6:07:25 AM   
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Brennan Center for Justice: Voter ID

Every voter should demonstrate that they are who they say they are before voting. That form of proof should not include restrictive documentation requirements like overly burdensome photo ID or redundant proof of citizenship requirements that serve to block millions of eligible American citizens from voting.

Improvements in voting technology and modernization of our voter registration system will both increase efficiency and close the door on mistakes and fraud. Where there are clear policy solutions that resolve concerns about both election integrity and free and fair access to the polls, American citizens should not be subject to costly restrictive documentation requirements that limit access to the polls.

Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students.

Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying documentation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by.

At the same time, voter ID policies are far more costly to implement than many assume.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/12/2012 6:15:38 AM   
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S.C. husband-and-wife doctor couple at center of voting-rights movement

Monday, Jul. 18, 2011

For the past 29 years, a Sumter couple, husband-and-wife physicians Joseph and Brenda Williams, have signed up their patients to vote.

"You come to the office to be examined, we register you to vote and tell you why it's important," Brenda Williams said.

So when the two read about a new state law requiring S.C. citizens to have a photo ID before voting, they knew they needed to get to work.

"I said, 'Oh my God, do we know so many people who don't have photo IDs, thousands of people who've come through our practice,' " Williams said. "These are decent, honest people."

Now, the two find themselves in the midst of a new voting-rights movement - one that seeks to ensure that the elderly are not turned away from the polls in November.

According to the S.C. Election Commission, 178,175 registered voters do not have photo IDs. Before now, pollworkers did not - in fact, could not, in recent decades - require one.

Joseph and Brenda Williams, born in Georgia in the 1950s, take the right and responsibility to vote seriously. They came up during a time in America when people of color were often blocked from voting.

So when they opened their Excelsior Medical Clinic in Sumter, they made conversations about voting a part of the medical exam. Brenda Williams estimates the couple has registered "well over 1,000" people to vote.

Joseph Williams has a practice focused on geriatrics. His wife has a general practice.

Between them, they began a nonprofit organization to renovate run-down housing, provide cellphones to senior citizens - and, now, help those without birth certificates get a photo ID. To sort through the birth certificate issue, they have enlisted the help of a retired family court judge, Ruben Gray, who has taken on 10 cases.

At first, Brenda Williams mistakenly thought they could just pre-pay for a passel of state-issued IDs.

She thought money would be the deterrent.

She put $200 into a checking account and headed down to her local S.C. Department of Motor Vehicles office to work out a system for sending patients by. "I thought all people needed was $5, go down to the DMV, and they'll take your photo. I was in for the education of my life."

Turned out, birth certificates were the problem.

For those who don't have a birth certificate, getting a state-issued ID is no easy task, although a spokeswoman for the S.C. Department of Motor Vehicles said there are a variety of records the agency accepts as proof of identification. (Also, the IDs are free for anyone 17 and older.)

Still, since the Legislature passed the new voter law this year, there has not been a surge in requests for state-issued ID cards. Spokeswoman Jean Smolen said 15,163 cards were issued over a five-week period ending June 30 of this year, compared with 15,026 during the same period in 2010.

The problem is this: Before the 1970s, many women in rural South Carolina didn't go to hospitals at childbirth. They used midwives. Often, though, midwives did not file birth certificates. Or their information might be wrong, or incomplete.

Going back to correct a name or collect the documents needed to get a delayed birth certificate is time-consuming and expensive.

Joseph and Brenda Williams have plenty of stories about people's birth records: The midwife who tried to sound out the name "Naomi," spelling it "Llnoie"; the child named "Baby Girl Kennedy" because her folks couldn't come up with a first name right away.

Other patients don't have birth certificates at all, simply using the year of their birth, said Joseph Williams, himself delivered by a midwife.

"It's a very common thing," he said, noting that such problems and practices were common throughout the South and involved black and white families alike.

Sure enough, 64 percent of S.C. voters without an ID are white, according to the S.C. Election Commission. About 53 percent are age 45 or older.

Read more here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2011/07/18/2283993/sc-husband-and-wife-doctor-couple.html#storylink=cpy

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/12/2012 9:45:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
As an aside, I notice how the costs are viewed boo-hoo negatively. The ID itself may cost between $10 and $30

Maybe if you were better informed you'd understand that charging people any amount to be able to vote is unconstitutional and deeply unamerican.
See:
24th Amendment
Harper v Virginia Board of Elections



...u see....I feel that the GOP ideal is to charge FEES for everything, even the freedom to vote. the more fees are charged the less able the poor is able to oppose the GOP and the wealthy from running them over. And essentally using a back-door way of charging the poor to vote and then making even that process difficult is a telling clue that the GOP has even more plans that are detremential to the working class & poor if they can just squeak into the oval office...starting with repealing the minimum wage laws so that wages that are allready unsustainable are even more so.

If u have to choose between eating, rent, medical bills & cant pay for the ID, then u cant vote, -- less poor voting they think they'll win....

now THAT IS class warfare....hitler style


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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/12/2012 11:52:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
As an aside, I notice how the costs are viewed boo-hoo negatively. The ID itself may cost between $10 and $30

Maybe if you were better informed you'd understand that charging people any amount to be able to vote is unconstitutional and deeply unamerican.
See:
24th Amendment
Harper v Virginia Board of Elections

...u see....I feel that the GOP ideal is to charge FEES for everything, even the freedom to vote. the more fees are charged the less able the poor is able to oppose the GOP and the wealthy from running them over. And essentally using a back-door way of charging the poor to vote and then making even that process difficult is a telling clue that the GOP has even more plans that are detremential to the working class & poor if they can just squeak into the oval office...starting with repealing the minimum wage laws so that wages that are allready unsustainable are even more so.
If u have to choose between eating, rent, medical bills & cant pay for the ID, then u cant vote, -- less poor voting they think they'll win....
now THAT IS class warfare....hitler style


Lemme guess...The Frank-Dodd Finance Reform Bill signed by President Obama in the wake of the meltdown (which has already been analyzed to not address the underlying issues and would not have prevented the meltdown) that reduces the amounts of fees banks can charge isn't at the root of the death of "free" checking and by charging either a fee for checking or the requirement to maintain thousands of dollars in the account, the banks aren't discriminating against the poor, right? That's on the bank, not the Democrats.

Yeah, Republicans are trying to charge fees for everything. At the very least be honest and admit both parties are charging fees for everything.

In all honesty, this is something that should have been done since they came up with the idea of State ID cards. Imagine how much wouldn't be a problem now. There should be some sort of "field trip" that school seniors take to sign them up to vote, to get them State ID's (unless they already have a Driver's License) as part of a Civics/Government/Politics class.

They say the best time to plant an oak tree is 20 years ago. The next best time is now. Had we instituted this policy ages ago, it would be nothing right now. All the issues would have been worked out and we'd have more assurance that a citizen's right to vote isn't being infringed.

Is the next argument going to be that requiring a citizen to actually go to a polling place to vote is "unConstitutional" because it places a cost on your ability to get there because it costs money to either be a driver, or to hire a driver?

Do we start charging absolutely zero for food, water, housing and medical care because maintaining your health so you can vote costs too much?

Damn.

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RE: GOP Voter Suppression Plan: Seven Tactics To Block ... - 3/12/2012 12:04:46 PM   
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The simple fact is the GOP is lying about the need to protect the process from voter fraud. There has been next to no vote fraud for decades. They're just trying to disenfranchise demographic groups that are prone to not being Republican voters since they can see that the nations demographics are swinging against them in a decisive way.



Except for Florida in 2000, and 2004 right?



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