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Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defense ... - 3/12/2012 3:04:37 AM   
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It's essentially clear enough when you see the parroted sentences over and over that something a good bit more than 'entertainment' is going ... Or are all the Limbaugh fans putting on a fanboy 'play' for us.
We're told ib uniform talking points almost literally that 'nothing will stop the Great Limbaugh as if we're in some 1950s Roger Corman film and the Soda Delivery Man has walked into an Atomic Bomb test and become "The Amazing 90 Foot Talk Show Entertainer". "His audience is too big", etc.
Anyway blow away all the smoke and we have a basic reality as laid out in the article below. where Limbaugh's fanboy brainwashing is laid out in spades along with how each aspect fails....


Rush Limbaugh's defenses fall flat

Right-wing radio personality Rush Limbaugh raised a firestorm when he verbally attacked a 30-year-old Georgetown University law student who testified before a congressional committee. Limbaugh, whose millions of dollars in income depends on saying outrageous things, called the young woman a "slut" and a "prostitute."

Her crime? She testified in favor a federal requirements that health-care plans provide coverage for contraceptives. It's an argument that surely deserves to be debated. But how can anyone defend the bullying, abusive and, yes, misogynistic verbal assault waged by Limbaugh?

Yet, he had his defenders. And those defenses are almost as bad as the original offense. Let's look at a few of them:

1. Others have said nasty things as well, but it's only a story if a conservative says them.

For those making these arguments, the biggest example is Bill Maher, a man who fancies himself as a topical comedian but who often sounds like a 12-year-old who has learned he can draw attention to himself by saying dirty words.

Maher, indeed, has made unsuitably disparaging remarks about women, particularly an oft-quoted and unacceptable references to Sarah Palin. It's of little matter that his targets are public figures rather than a law school student. His remarks are still despicable. Which is what the National Organization for Women said Maher's gender-based attacks on Palin were.

2. He apologized, so enough already.

It wasn't much of an apology, and it's difficult to believe he was sincere.

The first day there was criticism of his comments, he laughed about how the liberals were having a "conniption fit." Then he followed that up with a demand that the Georgetown woman put videos of herself having sex since "we are paying for it." Still, not satisfied, he then offered to buy birth-control pills for all Georgetown female students so they could put them between their knees. Some contrition.

He didn't post his lame apology until after advertisers started to fall faster than Viagra pills from his luggage in a Dominican Republican airport. Limbaugh didn't appear at all sorry for the unwarranted attack on a young woman. He was sorry that he was losing advertisers.

3. He went overboard, but he was making a good point.

No, he wasn't. He argued that the woman wanted to get paid for having sex. And he said the cost was so high because she was having so much sex.

The woman wasn't talking about herself, she was testifying about classmates, including a gay woman who — one would think — was not worried about becoming pregnant.

The testimony from GeorgEtown law student Sandra Fluke centered on students who took birth control for reasons other than preventing pregnancy. She also made it clear that she was talking about insurance that the students purchased through the university.

Finally — and it's really not clear if Limbaugh understands this — but the number of birth-control pills a woman takes has nothing to do with the frequency that she has sex, how many partners she has or whether or not they are married.

Limbaugh basically said a woman is a "slut" if she uses birth-control pills and a "whore" if she obtains them through her health insurance plan.

Then his so-called apology claimed he did not mean that as a personal attack. One must wonder, then, what constitutes a personal attack?

Considering the immature rantings of the likes of Limbaugh and Maher, one must infer that they use name-calling to comfort their obvious fear of strong, intelligent, independent women.

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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 8:17:12 AM   
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Here’s the deal. A long time ago, Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a “tw@t” and likened her to a slutty looking flight attendant. I am certainly no fan of Palin and her victimized reaction to Bill was a part of a long string of her playing the sexism card to get out of not knowing that Africa was a continent. I was damned embarrassed by her and sick of her dodging her inexperience and lack of knowledge with crocodile tears. Palin did try to stir up a Bill boycott, but it was ineffective, or impotent as she would say. I gather Americans were tired of her crying wolf and just didn’t care. Also, the ugly truth is that what Bill said had a measure of truth to it, stemming from Palin’s own actions.

But I still didn’t like it, because I knew it would open the door for other men to say such things about women who didn’t behave like Sarah. And I just don’t like the words slutty and tw@t being used in a public forum to describe women. True, Palin sold herself as a stripper for the GOP. She was proud of being called the hottest governor from the coldest state, by her own dad no less. She wore clothing that enticed and distracted from her words on purpose. She wore impossibly short skirts on platform stages, sometimes with her bare legs crossed just so, causing the skirt to hike up mid thigh. Palin was the pretty face for ugly ideas and the Republican party milked that cash cow until Gabby Giffords was shot and Palin took the self-pity and victimhood a step too far by blaming the media.

Palin is a public figure and she more than invited such coarse dialogue, in fact she engages it in herself. This is a woman who called her constituents “asinine” in a press release from the Governor’s office and who refers to the President’s “cojones” on national TV. Sandra Fluke is a private citizen who testified at a congressional hearing in a dignified manner. She did not appear wearing short shorts and red leather Naughty monkeys. She didn’t wink at the boys.

Palin was a disaster for women because she was everything we fight against; to be dismissed as being just an object for sale, or to be ignored if we do not offer such enticements to men. The message of Palin is that all of our power, even at work, is supposed to come from our sexual desirability to men. How exactly is that female empowerment?

But flight attendants? This isn’t the 60’s. There are both male and female flight attendants and as someone who flies frequently, I haven’t noticed a one of them to be as daffy or ignorant as Palin, nor present themselves as a piece of eye candy hoping you won’t ask them for safety instructions.

Bill Maher’s defense of Rush’s First amendment rights is exactly what many of us women knew Sarah Palin was going to do the dialogue. She courted such talk. She expected to be excused for her laziness because she was pretty and hot. This led Bill to make the comments he did and now, years later, to excuse Rush for even worse misogyny under the guise of the First amendment. How did we land in this gutter of public discourse?

We women saw this coming the moment Sarah Palin stepped onto the stage in her red leather pumps and tight, short skirts, winking her way through a debate. But I’ll be damned if it wasn’t liberal men who told me in droves to “relax” and lectured me to just ignore her from their unknowingly misogynistic sense of presumed authority. Ah, male privilege. We know they mean well, but they just don’t get it.

Of course, they can afford to dismiss Palin. Unlike me, they didn’t find themselves in a business meeting with Palin supporters during the 2008 election and have the client tell them with a smirking insinuation that Sarah Palin is “my kinda gal.” They weren’t being hit on and dismissed at the same time because Sarah Palin had suddenly made it okay again in the work place to be an Object of Patriarchal Desire and Dismissal.

And they don’t now have to put a lid on their rage as Act III of the Palin play reaches its denouement.

So, because late night HBO comedian Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a tw@t, now day time talk show host Rush Limbaugh is free do demand that women air sex tapes of themselves if they have contraceptives paid for by insurance? Meanwhile, in reality land, I was denied a needed surgery by my insurance company last year because, and I quote, “it could be used for contraception.” I suffered in agony instead.

So while everyone debates the finer points, we women are lost in the haze of desperate false equivalencies and distractions. The Right wants the President to return Bill Maher’s donation because of comments he made years ago as a comedian about a person who did offer herself up as a sex object. She did pose in short shorts on the cover of Newsweek, pantyhose and all, while leaning on the American flag in a symbolic gesture of her complicit oppression of women’s liberty via her behavior.

Bill never demanded that Palin air a sex tape of herself for the public if she wanted to voice her opinion on important health matters. But then, how could he when Palin has never voiced a coherent, dignified opinion on any important matter without sounding like exactly what she is: a wind up doll full of mismatched talking points for the Koch brothers.

Yes, I say this with certainty, having studied her record extensively. This is a woman who told a male opponent that it was cool that he knew so much about the issues, but voters don’t care about things like that. This is a woman who has used her opponent’s Jewish sounding name to damn him in the eyes of voters. This is the woman who did the same thing to Barack Obama, insinuating that he was a Muslim and thus not qualified for office. This person is not a serious politician or even a serious private citizen speaking up on an important issue that impacts her life. And this person gleefully engaged in vile, bigoted attacks on other public figures. She’s not exactly standing on firm ground when she cries sexism while engaging in racism and ethnocentrism at every turn.

Palin’s message has always been, “Love me because I’m hot. Take me seriously even though I’m hot. But never call me out on the fact that I do not deserve to be taken seriously because I refuse to learn anything I should know in order to do my job competently, or else I will cry sexism and dilute the meaning of the word for the women who really are being demeaned just because they are women.” This offends many of us, because some us do not expect to skate by on short skirts. But what does the word sexism mean now that Palin has distorted it into a meaningless attack strategy (offense is the best defense). Bill called her a nasty name, and by giving in to that temptation, he only sunk the rest of us with her.

And these are the parts missing from the debate. The war on women has been going on for a long time. It never really stopped, but during the Bush years, it became hot to give up our personal dignity and become an admired object, suggestively plasticized so that we could float in a pool with our breasts alone. This was the New Feminism. We were not good enough as we were. We had to be cut and carved and then give it all away for free. Our power was to come directly from our willingness to allow men to define us. Go, power!

This reminds me of the liberal/libertarian type men who think “freedom” and “civil liberties” comes down to the Patriot Act and stops there. They have not even noticed women sitting in prison in this country for having a miscarriage, or women being murdered by their partners, or women having to put up with sexual advances by creepy bosses in order to keep their health insurance. Or now, having to defend the need for contraception. The indignity of it all is surreal. Kudos to Bill Maher for bringing up the Arizona bill that doctors can lie to women about their health in order to keep them from seeking an abortion.

He’s a brilliantly funny comedian and he can give voice to things that no one else is willing to say out loud. He did that with Palin, only he could have done it without the word tw@t. Allow me to say what no one else will: Sarah Palin attempted to turn all women into patriarchal lap dogs so tw@t isn’t really the worst of it, and yet this is exactly what she wanted. She wanted to bring the dialogue down to her level, to be the poster face for conservative persecution via sexism, as she concurrently works to take us all back to the tower for not pleasing daddy.

Maher defends Rush, as one potty mouth to another. Hey, I dig Maher’s potty mouth, but he’s on HBO, not American Forces Network


Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/how-sarah-palin-invented-bill-mahers-liberal-excuse-for-misogyny/

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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 8:41:02 AM   
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On his show tonight, Bill Maher says he's not defending Rush Limbaugh.

"I'm defending living in a country where people don't have to be afraid that they might go out of the bounds for one minute. Do we all want to be talking like White House spokesmen?

... I would rather put up with Rush Limbaugh and live in a country where people do have freedom of speech. And the people who I've heard who say 'You know what, when they put pressure on his sponsors the system is working' — no, it's not. That's the system being manipulated. I lived through that 10 years ago."

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Here's Maher's tweet that people interpreted as defending Limbaugh.

Here's the information about what happened to Maher 10 years ago. His late-night ABC show "Politically Incorrect" was canceled after a controversy over an edgy remark he made one week after the September 11th. ("We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly.")

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Maher went on to criticize that "fat fuck" Limbaugh: Right-wingers have made a "false equivalence" between Limbaugh and him. "I am a potty mouth. That's different from a misogynist."

Video: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/bill-maher-addresses-criticism-sexist-rema

Maher moved on to address the criticism he's received from the right. As Maher noted, every time one of "their guys" gets in trouble, they trot him out and play the false equivalency game. Maher said he would admit to being a "potty mouth" but not a misogynist, and that the word he said was not used on his show on HBO, but during one of his stand up acts, which he said "ought to be the last bastion of free speech." Maher noted that there's a reason he's compared to George Carlin, because he's a comedian, which Limbaugh is not, and "when you do that, I say, my rule is, you ought to get a little leeway."

Maher also recognized that what he said might have been offensive to all women but with a caveat:

MAHER: But if I offended women, I'm sorry. I have no problem saying I'm sorry. I don't know why women would want to align themselves with Sarah Palin. I don't know why an insult to her is an insult to all women, but if it is, I'm sorry.

[The clip also mentions a new AZ law, which I will create a need thread about subsequently]

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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 8:50:35 AM   
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I don't disagree with anything you said Kali.... My point in posting the article is to address this phenomena Of uniform denial and subsequent 'explanation' , followed by the reverse finger of blame, from the many thousands across the web. We're either looking at a conservative event of biblical proportions.... Or the chickens are all eating from the same trough.
My vote is for the latter.


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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 9:00:01 AM   
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And I guess the $50,000 question for women and others who continually are demeaned by Limbaugh is "How many of these do you want to put up with".
And frankly, I hope the interest in a consumer action hasn't been a mere fad.


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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 10:07:16 AM   
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I was a little frustrated for not being able to rebut the Maher "facts" on the thread that was locked so since your OP mentioned Maher, added my rebuttal here :)

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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 10:55:12 AM   
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Oh no, that's cool... I just wanted to make sure my original point remains in the foreground should the Limpologists arrive.


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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 11:13:18 AM   
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Excellent post (#3 ), Kali!!




quote:

ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

Oh no, that's cool... I just wanted to make sure my original point remains in the foreground should the Limpologists arrive.



Brilliant!!

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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 11:40:01 AM   
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Are we up to 14 Limbaugh threads yet ? Good grief.

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RE: Interesting Article Takes Apart The FaBoy Born Defe... - 3/12/2012 11:43:00 AM   
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quote:

re we up to 14 Limbaugh threads yet ? Good grief.


Who's counting?


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