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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 10:50:15 AM

MrDiscipline44

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I'm not saying that a woman (in general) speaking her mind is rude, skuggie. I'm saying that a person interjecting into a conversation that they're not apart of and not excusing themselves is rude. Big difference. Try to read what I actually wrote.

Besides, if she only wanted a fem-dom opinion then she would've post it the ask a mistress forum. Since it's in this forum then it's open for discussion by all.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 10:52:02 AM

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In real life submissve give partial control of their life to the dominating person - slaves give all control.
So depending on what you are - you get the respect that you earn from the dom person.

But, really, dom who just doesn't give a shit about opinions is like George W. Bush ... ..... LOLROFL ....(you get my point I hope - LOL)!!

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 10:58:19 AM

Tikkiee

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx

(It's not about speaking - it's about writing - and if submissive persons cannot write their mind here - then the people who call themselfs "dominating" should get a lessen from someone who can teach them mannors....this is an open forum and if you expect to be heard as a dom and respected, you bloody well better start showing all people respect, not just dom people, but submissive also.)

And I hope that wasn't aimed at me after all my profile says submissive and I have respect for thoses who give it what sort of person do you think I am don't worrie my mother did bring me up well - in which case it leaves me to belive you have the respect problems maybe you find it hard to give it if your not getting it.

/raises an eyebrow

You are fast losing respect

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 10:58:23 AM

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Dear sexylittleminx, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Each person has free will and also has choice. It is better to speak with good manners, good timing and express yourself without making it into a drama.

In debates, there is what is called, "Robert's Rules," to which an orderly fashion the debate is handled. Each having their turn but, no one side has the advantage and the other the disadvantage. Native Americans used a peace pipe or 'talking stick.' Nobody interrupted. People who interrupt have bad manners and I think news reporters have the worst manners of all, when it comes to 'being heard.'

In speaking--it also is very 'telling' when a person speaks as to calm, to have a polite conversation and or exchange of opinions, as well as to speak as to incite a riot, unhappiness or such.

Indeed, there is such a thing as free will however, the slave/submissive is the "hope" for the example of polite service -- and not an individual who captures others into an unconsensual rant, to which the audience and or individual is unable to escape. Such as ranting on a grocery clerk, as they cannot escape the register to avoid the rants of an individual.

With free will, there is also judgment and the choice to use it. Those who make an effort to be kind and polite will be heard. Those that speak for the sake of controlling and or manipulating others--shall soon find, they will be ignored and nobody will want to listen.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 10:58:24 AM

sexylittleminx

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Your point I get but don't agree with if your a sub you give your complete all o and its sub not slave

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:00:22 AM

tade

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I like for my woman to have her own opinions and speak them whenever she likes. I am secure enough to handle a strong willed woman. She does not have to think like me to be mine...

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:00:45 AM

Skuggi

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

I'm not saying that a woman (in general) speaking her mind is rude, skuggie. I'm saying that a person interjecting into a conversation that they're not apart of and not excusing themselves is rude. Big difference. Try to read what I actually wrote.

Besides, if she only wanted a fem-dom opinion then she would've post it the ask a mistress forum. Since it's in this forum then it's open for discussion by all.

No disrespect ment Mr. D.

It's just that so often people forget that a "naugty" or "out of line" subs/slaves are usully just beggin to play a bit :-)

And on the other hand some dom persons just don't like living in the reality and escape to some fantasy dreamland where they are always in control and right.

The thing is Mr. D. and I hope I didn't offend you (sorry if that is so) - but lot of our peers (domingating people) are rude arrogant people who simply cannot behave (small percentage of them thank the gods).

But hey - like someone said - what is said/written can be look at from many points.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:01:17 AM

sexylittleminx

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I don't want there respect I have enough of that I asked a question and I got my answers I didn't think it would get this intence - im not a bad person and have respect for everyone I meet I just wanted to know.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:01:56 AM

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To the Op: i checked your profile,and you are a UK girl. However, i suppose you could be an immigrant. You write as if English is your second language, and if so, S/someone here may be able to help you better communicate.

i couldn't make heads or tails out of your Op or the subsequent post you made. The bottom line is, i don't know a Man, even an acquaintence, who is Dominant but does not want to hear a woman's (or A/anyone's) opinion. It's unclear whether you are collared, or if you are with a Domina rather than a Dominant Man. However, you mention being rude, and none of my friends who are Dominant would care to spend much time with A/anyone who was consistently rude.

On the other hand, the only times i can imagine when A/any adult would be "speaking out of turn" is (1) by interrupting; or (2) if your Dom/me imposed a speech restriction and you did not adhere to it.

If English is your second language, please tell U/us what your native tongue is and perhaps one of the posters can interpret for you....because i tried, and so did other posters, to grasp your meaning, but you're communicating poorly.

Wish i could be of more help,

pinkee

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:06:25 AM

Skuggi

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Indeed, there is such a thing as free will however, the slave/submissive is the "hope" for the example of polite service -- and not an individual who captures others into an unconsensual rant, to which the audience and or individual is unable to escape. Such as ranting on a grocery clerk, as they cannot escape the register to avoid the rants of an individual.

quote:

Respectfully answearing Dear LadyHugs (and thank you for extremly polite answears everywhere).

Submissive = person who gives him/herself to her dominant (male or female) for partial control for example playtime.
Slave = person who gives him/herself for total control 24/7 and goes by the will of her dominant owner.

There is this difference - and in my eyes and others it's a big difference.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:11:44 AM

Skuggi

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx

I don't want there respect I have enough of that I asked a question and I got my answers I didn't think it would get this intence - im not a bad person and have respect for everyone I meet I just wanted to know.

Since the case is people have been rude in their answear - my opinion stands!

Like I have said in the past, titles and etc. mean nothing if you don't have the respect from both dominating and submissive people of the scene. Having respect of just one side means you have only travelled half the way in the journey.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:19:03 AM

CreativeDominant

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx

It's not being naughty it's called free will - don't get me wrong I know some women like being told what to do hey so do I well sometimes anyway - but when I speak out of turn as Iwas told I should know when to stay quiet sorry can't know what I likes and likes what I know.....
But I would liketo hear opinions and veiws

I like a submissive who is intelligent and has her own opinions. If I wanted to hear my own opinions spoken back to me all the time, I'd get a parrot.

That said, anyone who is submitting to me knows that I expect the respect I have earned and that yes, I do believe in a civil manner. If your opinion varies from mine, fine...say so. I only ask that you do so respectfully as I will when my opinion varies from yours.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:20:26 AM

Tikkiee

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If I wanted to hear my own opinions spoken back to me all the time, I'd get a parrot.

LOL Now that is funny. Nicely said.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:22:24 AM

xxmstrchasxx

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I think it depends on the situation. I have a friend who is a sub and she really speaks her mind....actually she gets to be a smartass. She really is a nice lady and friend but lets her mouth get her in trouble sometimes. There's a time to speak your mind and a time not too and be more conservative.

I told her I had my own special gag for her. LOL

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:23:10 AM

sexylittleminx

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I have been asked to reiterate my inital post - I hope this makes more sense

I would say that I am someone that is slightly self opinionated and I like to be in a position where I can speak my mind, I have found that I have sometimes been reprimanded by Doms because of this. Has anyone else come across this and how do you feel is the best way of dealing with someone that believes women/subs should be seen and not heard?

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:25:13 AM

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As I said before my Master likes for me to speak my mind, but I too can be a bit of a smart ass. He will put up with it as long as it is playful and respectful, but if I cross a line, He is going to let me know about it. Trust me, my butt will feel it later.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:32:11 AM

Quivver

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I have found it's not so much ~what~ I say as how I say it.
Forming my thoughts into something verbally correct it where I usually fall short.
It's a talent I'm still working on...
Possibly you and I have the same affliction!
he hee hee

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:34:56 AM

Tikkiee

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx

I have been asked to reiterate my inital post - I hope this makes more sense

I would say that I am someone that is slightly self opinionated and I like to be in a position where I can speak my mind, I have found that I have sometimes been reprimanded by Doms because of this. Has anyone else come across this and how do you feel is the best way of dealing with someone that believes women/subs should be seen and not heard?

And I will reiterate what I said. It all comes down to how you 'deliver' your opinion.
Now, if we are talking only in a sense of online? And you have progressed far enough in the communications to want to please this other person? then it comes down to judgement. Do you want them to surpress your natural inclinations?

Really looking for clarification here. Online only or RL?

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:35:57 AM

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Hmmmm... The person I am seeing (yes he is man) wants to hear my opinions. He also has no problem telling me to be quiet and listen to his first... after all I am the submissive in the relationship. I think the question you really have to ask is "How should I learn to voice my opinion appropriately?" That might help you to find people interested in hearing your opinion.. and this is just my opinion.

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RE: Why is it men don't like women who speak there mind... - 6/3/2006 11:36:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexylittleminx

I have been asked to reiterate my inital post - I hope this makes more sense

I would say that I am someone that is slightly self opinionated and I like to be in a position where I can speak my mind, I have found that I have sometimes been reprimanded by Doms because of this. Has anyone else come across this and how do you feel is the best way of dealing with someone that believes women/subs should be seen and not heard?

Time & place, time & place, time & place.

I am always free to speak my mind to my Master, but that does not mean any time I want to or I deem it so. If there is a flowing dialogue, and I have something to add, I wait until he is finished with a sentence or thought before interjecting my own. If we start saying something at the same time, I hold back, so he can speak. If he deems the conversation is over and I am still bubbling with things to say, I keep those thoughts to myself, knowing I will have an opportunity to say them later.

I can't imagine a dominant person not wanting to have conversation with his/her submissive. But just because we want to speak NOW doesn't mean we get to. Insisting on such would elicit a response from my Master which I wouldn't like very much.

Additionally, the way in which an opinion is stated also makes a difference. "That was a stupid thing to say" would likely not sit as well as "Hmm, I see things much differently." and so on...

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