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Kirata -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 6:15:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

If religion is what is professed with the lips, then religion is an empty barrel.


I've read that line many times now but am still unable to extract any meaning out of it whatsoever.

Talk is cheap.

K.




BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 6:22:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
I am wondering how exactly is this not atheism?


...You really don't have the vaguest idea what atheism is do you?

To answer your question the humanists who believe in a god are theists, the humanists who don't believe in a god are atheists. Once's humanism is unrelated to their status as a theist/atheist.


That is what it is in theory. What I am saying is that the theory is wrong. It results in an illusion. You some how think that what is professed with the lips is real. You simply say that it is so like how lawmakers on occasions think they can legislate the value of pi. Because little human law says that the number pi is exactly equal to 3 does not make it so. You are engaging in a superstition, more specifically linguistic superstitions, the power of words. CEOs of corporations and lawmakers often lose touch with reality.

You argue like a Christian.




tweakabelle -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 6:50:25 AM)

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That is what it is in theory. What I am saying is that the theory is wrong. It results in an illusion. You some how think that what is professed with the lips is real. You simply say that it is so like how lawmakers on occasions think they can legislate the value of pi. Because little human law says that the number pi is exactly equal to 3 does not make it so. You are engaging in a superstition, more specifically linguistic superstitions, the power of words. CEOs of corporations and lawmakers often lose touch with reality.

You argue like a Christian.


Given the delicate tenuous nature of your connection with reality, I'm struggling to identify the basis on which you make assessments about other people's connections with reality .....care to help me out here please?




Kirata -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 6:53:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Given the delicate tenuous nature of your connection with reality, I'm struggling to identify the basis on which you make assessments about other people's connections with reality .....care to help me out here please?

If I may... K.






tweakabelle -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 7:02:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Given the delicate tenuous nature of your connection with reality, I'm struggling to identify the basis on which you make assessments about other people's connections with reality .....care to help me out here please?

If I may... K.




Why thank you Mr K. That explains a lot. Including why BM's nick glows and flickers like a flashing neon sign whenever it graces my screen. And here was me thinking I had a faulty screen ...... I feel so embarrassed now.




GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 1:24:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
That is what it is in theory. What I am saying is that the theory is wrong.

No, that's not what you were saying. This is the first time in the thread that you've mentioned that and we're 15 pages in. You've built quite a bit on that and other unlisted presuppositions. You've built concept upon concept upon concept and then asserted the result instead of showing us the process. The problem with doing that is we can't read your mind. Even if your position is entirely valid by starting in the middle you're making it sound like insane gibberish.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 1:33:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Even if your position is entirely valid by starting in the middle you're making it sound like insane gibberish.

[:D]




PeonForHer -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 1:51:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

If religion is what is professed with the lips, then religion is an empty barrel.


I've read that line many times now but am still unable to extract any meaning out of it whatsoever.

Talk is cheap.

K.



Ah - thanks. I think I got stuck on the image of my mouth being a rifle barrel, or something.




PeonForHer -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 2:25:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Even if your position is entirely valid by starting in the middle you're making it sound like insane gibberish.


A belief in God is like the sparks from dolphins' mouths, whereas atheism is like fountains of verdant prairies, GS.

I think that's what BM was trying to impart.




GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 2:30:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
It results in an illusion. You some how think that what is professed with the lips is real. You simply say that it is so like how lawmakers on occasions think they can legislate the value of pi. Because little human law says that the number pi is exactly equal to 3 does not make it so. You are engaging in a superstition, more specifically linguistic superstitions, the power of words. CEOs of corporations and lawmakers often lose touch with reality.

Um....I agree that asserting something doesn't actually mean that it's true (I'm guessing that's what this is supposed to mean). That's why people keep asking you to make logical coherent arguments explaining your positions instead of just asserting things.






GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 2:34:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
You argue like a Christian.[/size]

Wait a sec. you concluded back on page 12 from the way I argue that I appeared to have a mental deficiency. Now you're saying I argue like a Christian, does that mean that Christians have a mental deficiency?




Kirata -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 3:18:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Ah - thanks. I think I got stuck on the image of my mouth being a rifle barrel, or something.

It also applies to him of course. Heh. But in the other matter of equating humanism with secular humanism, I find it troubling that he finds a basis for his view in the definition of humanism he quoted, namely (emphasis added):
    Humanism is an approach in study, philosophy, world view or practice that focuses on human values and concerns, attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters.
If that primacy of the human over the divine is what constitutes atheism in his view, then we are on a very dangerous path here.

Specifically, if he proposes that the correct position is to give primacy to our notions of the divine or supernatural above mere "human matters," then we are placing our foot on a path with a very long history of bloody mayhem. Whether or not mayhem actually results can be argued to depend on the particular motivating notion of the divine or supernatural, but there is little safety to be found in such details. Once you've accepted the principle, concerns about human matters are rendered secondary and when push comes to shove are effectively irrelevant.

There is, of course, a religious solution to the problem. But given his view of humanism as atheism, I don't see him going there.

K.




GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 3:28:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Given the delicate tenuous nature of your connection with reality, I'm struggling to identify the basis on which you make assessments about other people's connections with reality .....care to help me out here please?

If I may... K.





Oh dear....




BenevolentM -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 4:59:13 PM)

The important thing is I took pity on all of you. God is appreciate of such things. I did say that God likes me. Maybe it is not something one can typically put on a resume, but it helps.




GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 7:00:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
A belief in God is like the sparks from dolphins' mouths, whereas atheism is like fountains of verdant prairies, GS.

I think that's what BM was trying to impart.


What is the sound of one man crapping?




GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 7:15:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
What I am saying could explain why professed atheists represent such a small portion of the population. This is consistent with a disorder.


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
The reality is most people are atheists or if not atheists believers with little faith.


Hey Benevolent aren't these statements mutually exclusive?




GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 7:24:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
Atheism is the road to oneness with the universe, but the universe is principally dead.


Nope, atheist is a label which can be applied to me because of a position which I don't take, in other words I'm not a theist. It doesn't tell you what positions I do hold.




PeonForHer -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 7:28:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
A belief in God is like the sparks from dolphins' mouths, whereas atheism is like fountains of verdant prairies, GS.

I think that's what BM was trying to impart.


What is the sound of one man crapping?



Plompf, ffrrrt, plonk, *Ahhh*, I think, generally, GS.

Might be a bit different your side of the pond, though.




GotSteel -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 7:41:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
It needn't be painful to be an atheist and your head doesn't implode because the absence of religion in it causes a dangerous vacuum.

There is very strong evidence that atheism will in fact cause your head to implode. If a person here and there at random turns atheist for whatever reasons the world does not come to an end, but if the population goes in that direction this is what happens, the world comes to an end. Atheism does not have a good track record.


Nope, you've determined that the majority is already atheist and the world hasn't come to an end. Therefore by your own previous statement your current statement is a non-issue. According to your previous statement your current statement is already demonstrably false.




Kirata -> RE: Benevolent's Taxonomy of Atheism (3/21/2012 8:00:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

The important thing is I took pity on all of you. God is appreciate of such things. I did say that God likes me. Maybe it is not something one can typically put on a resume, but it helps.

This is a tough audience.

K.




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