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Braille, honey.. that's why God gave you hands.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

All that wood and you can't find the hearth.

Braille, honey.. that's why God gave you hands. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/third-female-lawmaker-introduces-bill-limit-men-viagra-204340160.html

If women can be limited, why not men?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
thats the whole point, it is a sarcastic dig at the transvaginal incident. thats why Kalis quote gives it away as being tongue in cheek
PS prostate exam might be given to rule out any other problem that can cause issues with non erections.
The walls between the bladder, bowel and prostate are thinner there and best felt thru the rectum for irregularities.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
While I understand their anger over the bills that have been popping up lately, I don't see how spending hours making up fake bills is going to help. Why not spend all that time and energy trying to fix things instead of standing around talking about how stupid the other side is.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
What is the point of the ultrasound prior to abortion? Is it to check the conditions of the internal organs of the woman? Nope. It's so she can see what it is she is asking to be destroyed. Some women won't be moved to abort the procedure (pun intended), but some will. And, that's the point.

The ultrasound requirement is more akin to the proposed requirement to have pictures of smokers' lungs on packages of cigarettes.

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Missouri state Rep. Stacey Newman, a Democrat, introduced legislation that would allow men to get vasectomies only if their life depended upon the procedure, which was similar to Georgia state Rep. Yasmin Neal's bill. "In determining whether a vasectomy is necessary, no regard shall be made to the desire of a man to father children, his economic situation, his age, the number of children he is currently responsible for, or any danger to his wife or partner in the event a child is conceived," the tongue-in-cheek Missouri bill reads.

According to Rep. Newman, a vasectomy is equal to an abortion? Do these women actually think before putting this out there?!? A vasectomy would be similar (though much less invasive) to a tubal ligation. Anyone who seriously supports these things is simply out for the media circus. The legislation is utterly ridiculous.

Equating Viagra to an abortion is incredibly stupid from the get go.

All that being said, I don't think the Government should subsidize Viagra (or similar medicinal concoctions), either. I couldn't care less if insurance companies want to cover it. That's up to the insurer. Same goes for any and all other procedures/medicines.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

While I understand their anger over the bills that have been popping up lately, I don't see how spending hours making up fake bills is going to help. Why not spend all that time and energy trying to fix things instead of standing around talking about how stupid the other side is.

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What is the point of the ultrasound prior to abortion? Is it to check the conditions of the internal organs of the woman? Nope. It's so she can see what it is she is asking to be destroyed. Some women won't be moved to abort the procedure (pun intended), but some will. And, that's the point.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Because they (government, not the several women introducing the bills specifically) are the problem. The only way to truly fix the problem is to remove the cause and, if nothing else, a politician (most members, regardless of party affiliation) are all about securing their own jobs until they retire.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
The picture on a cigarette pack would be akin to the ultrasound only if the picture cost the smoker an extra 400 bucks. I would venture to say that not many women who have made their way to an abortion clinic are going to change their mind as a result of an ultrasound. The sole purpose is to make the procedure prohibitively expensive. At least be honest about it.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
I am assuming that when you say the "cause", you are referring to the need of politicians to become involved in women's private health care decisions? I would like that removed also.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Because they (government, not the several women introducing the bills specifically) are the problem. The only way to truly fix the problem is to remove the cause and, if nothing else, a politician (most members, regardless of party affiliation) are all about securing their own jobs until they retire.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
Do you approve of state-mandated medically unnecessary procedures?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

While I understand their anger over the bills that have been popping up lately, I don't see how spending hours making up fake bills is going to help. Why not spend all that time and energy trying to fix things instead of standing around talking about how stupid the other side is.

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
DS, I am not as certain as you seem to be that all insurance covers abortion. I know insurance doesn't cover medically unnecessary procedures, so I am also not as certain as you that insurance will cover a legally mandated ultrasound.

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As for PP, even if they are charging on a sliding scale, the procedure costs someone money.

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Some PPs don't offer abortions either.

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
I have insurance through the VA and my GYN in Florida wouldn't prescribe a medication my uterus needs. I checked into going to Planned Parenthood, and unless I was willing to lie about my income, it WAS more money than I was willing to spend.
Fortunately, my new GYN here in Mass was willing to prescribe it.
eta - actually, I may have checked into PP when I wanted to get a diaphragm but didn't want to see the VA GYN because after his patriarchal, condescending attitude at my first visit, I had no intention of getting naked for him.