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BitaTruble -> I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/14/2012 10:51:42 PM)

so when shit like this happens it tends to piss me off. Learn the fucking flag code.

Damn dumb. You got it in the bag, it's yours to lose and yet once again the march to implosion begins. Obama, of course, will pay the price for this sheer stupidity.

Obama Face Flag

Beware the ides of March indeed.



Musicmystery -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/14/2012 10:54:10 PM)

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Learn the fucking flag code.


Nobody knows the flag code anymore--it's violated daily in what used to be inappropriate displays.

But yeah, this is just dumb.



BitaTruble -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/14/2012 11:06:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Nobody knows the flag code anymore--it's violated daily in what used to be inappropriate displays.

But yeah, this is just dumb.

Well, I know it and I'm sure that a lot of service personal and others know it, too. Not that I think Obama had FL anyway, but this will probably go viral. The GOP will jump on this and gas prices (although the blame for that should be laid at the door step of speculators). It's all they got and they will need to distract folks (especially women) from the social issues cuz those are going to kill them.




Musicmystery -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/14/2012 11:19:06 PM)

"While we are pleased the flag in question has since been removed from public display, the reported fact that it had flown for months without protest is a clear indication that we have much work to do in educating the public of the importance of protecting our flag," Agg wrote in an email.



BitaTruble -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/14/2012 11:42:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"While we are pleased the flag in question has since been removed from public display, the reported fact that it had flown for months without protest is a clear indication that we have much work to do in educating the public of the importance of protecting our flag," Agg wrote in an email.


I read that.. was it from ignorance or apathy though?



Musicmystery -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/14/2012 11:53:32 PM)

My guess is the answer is whatever you decide it to be.



BitaTruble -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 12:12:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

My guess is the answer is whatever you decide it to be.

::looks around at how crowded the thread is::

I'd say a combination. [;)]



Kirata -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 2:30:57 AM)


I'm surprised they're not defending it as "freedom of speech". Watch for the ACLU to get involved next.

K.



Owner59 -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 2:49:32 AM)

The ACLU doesn`t get involved when silly people are arguing......


Just when the government does.......[:D]



Edwynn -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 3:02:45 AM)


I remember a few bumper stickers long ago with a peace sign in place of the stars, also some other small scale variants of the flag. That was a fairly minor deal, sporadically displayed by individuals.

But to have that huge thing on a poll atop the building of one of the nation's two parties' local HQ is as incomprehensible as it is irresponsible as it is ridiculously absurd. No need to even know the flag code to figure that out.

'Ms. Hulbert remained non-committal as to whether she would have her previous brain removal reversed.' "I wont say no and I won't say yes."

OK, I made that first sentence up, paraphrasing what the reporter actually said.






DesideriScuri -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 7:53:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
so when shit like this happens it tends to piss me off. Learn the fucking flag code.
Damn dumb. You got it in the bag, it's yours to lose and yet once again the march to implosion begins. Obama, of course, will pay the price for this sheer stupidity.
Obama Face Flag
Beware the ides of March indeed.


What is the Flag Code? And, don't just respond incredulously that I don't know it. Just answer the question. Oh, and try not to go look it up before you answer. Let's see how much people actually know about the Flag Code.



Marc2b -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 8:16:38 AM)

The U.S. flag actually has a long history of NOT being standardized with variations representing different military units (particularly during the civil war) and political movements. I like this aspect of our national culture and would like to see more of it (besides, it IS a matter of free speech as far as I'm concerned). I may or may not like some group's particular variation but that is beside the point.

As for the Obama flag, I think it is in poor taste, but if they want to fly it, why shouldn't they?



Iamsemisweet -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 8:56:12 AM)

OK, I will play. The flag code Includes things like not flying the flag after dark (commonly ignored, I never see anyone taking down the flag at sunset) not flying the flag while it is raining (also ignored) burning or burying a worn out flag instead of throwing it away, and where the flag should be placed with respect to other flags. It should be higher, when they are hung on one pole, in the center when there are an odd number on different poles, and to the left when there are two.

Having said all that, this is a tempest in a tea pot, and only the morons who get all frothy mouthed and teary eyed about flag burning could possibly care about it.
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
so when shit like this happens it tends to piss me off. Learn the fucking flag code.
Damn dumb. You got it in the bag, it's yours to lose and yet once again the march to implosion begins. Obama, of course, will pay the price for this sheer stupidity.
Obama Face Flag
Beware the ides of March indeed.


What is the Flag Code? And, don't just respond incredulously that I don't know it. Just answer the question. Oh, and try not to go look it up before you answer. Let's see how much people actually know about the Flag Code.



xssve -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 9:04:51 AM)

The pledge of allegiance is a relic of McCarthyism, everybody has a flag, it's the constitution that makes us different, and in order to serve in the military or any office, you have to swear an oath to defend the constitution, not the flag, since it's the constitution, not the flag, from whence any and all authority you are granted as a representative of the United States is derived from.

That said, I seriously doubt it was Obama's gaffe, more likely an enthusiastic, but clueless supporter, and in any case, I'd have to agree it was a very bad idea from a purely PR standpoint, it smacks of a cult of personality.



SternSkipper -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 9:32:15 AM)

If this is Obama doing this how come the flag wasn't up elsewhere?
I'm not saying it's appropriate. I'm saying I doubt this is an official campaign material sent out by the campaign.
And if Rush Limbaugh can be an entertainer, who can complain about a floridian being an idiot?



TrekkieLP -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 9:39:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

Learn the fucking flag code.


Nobody knows the flag code anymore--it's violated daily in what used to be inappropriate displays.

But yeah, this is just dumb.


Agreed.



TrekkieLP -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 9:43:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

OK, I will play. The flag code Includes things like not flying the flag after dark (commonly ignored, I never see anyone taking down the flag at sunset) not flying the flag while it is raining (also ignored) burning or burying a worn out flag instead of throwing it away, and where the flag should be placed with respect to other flags. It should be higher, when they are hung on one pole, in the center when there are an odd number on different poles, and to the left when there are two.


And, funny, I seem to remember reading that one of the rules was that when the flag is hung such that only one side is visible, (such as, on a wall), then it must be displayed with the stars to the top left.

And yet I see military people, in uniform, wearing the flag (on their sleeve) with the stars on the right.

Makes me wonder if I was told incorrectly, since I assume that the US military, when they're designing uniforms, actually knows what the rules for the flag are.



mnottertail -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 9:44:50 AM)

Additionally, the flag code is mostly should do to be proper and respectful and apple pie, I do not know of any actual consequenses in the law for not doing it.

Such luminaries as W and Hipshooter McCain have went to rallies and signed the flag,  clearly a defacement.

It is easily argued that since Obamas face on field of blue with some stripes around it is not a flag, (since there were not 50 stars on it in halftone at least)  but a parody.......

Nevertheless, I take everyones point.   But again, there is no more illegal about it than the judge that bawled out the doofus the other day, it is just ..........fuckin.............uhhhhhhhh


Tacky. 



PatrickG38 -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 9:51:21 AM)

What nonsense. This may qualify as the biggest non-story of the year. Obama had nothing to do with the flag and if you don't like this kind of flag, don't fly one. It would be welcome if people cared more for the ideals than the piece of cloth.



GreedyTop -> RE: I pledge Alligence to the Flag of the United States of America... (3/15/2012 9:52:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TrekkieLP

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

OK, I will play. The flag code Includes things like not flying the flag after dark (commonly ignored, I never see anyone taking down the flag at sunset) not flying the flag while it is raining (also ignored) burning or burying a worn out flag instead of throwing it away, and where the flag should be placed with respect to other flags. It should be higher, when they are hung on one pole, in the center when there are an odd number on different poles, and to the left when there are two.


And, funny, I seem to remember reading that one of the rules was that when the flag is hung such that only one side is visible, (such as, on a wall), then it must be displayed with the stars to the top left.

And yet I see military people, in uniform, wearing the flag (on their sleeve) with the stars on the right.

Makes me wonder if I was told incorrectly, since I assume that the US military, when they're designing uniforms, actually knows what the rules for the flag are.



http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/f/faqflag.htm



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