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Edwynn -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/17/2012 12:08:03 PM)


I did, but not every item in the list above. I knew about the change in The Pledge occurring in 1954, and I knew that no mention of God was on any currency or coin for a long time, but I didn't know exactly when it started. (I'm sure at least some numismatic and paper currency collectors would have been aware).

The external communist threat was real then, as we know, but the alleged internal threat was a convolution of some few politicians who found a cause for their bullying under color of 'patriotism' and 'protecting' the nation. And getting re-elected. Then as now, the media was of no help in the situation.

A lot of men and a more than a few women came back from Europe and Korea with new eyes, and those coming out of the domestic experience of the encumbrances of war, were starting to enjoy the improving economic conditions and prospects, and more dangerously, some different thoughts on what to do with it. Big band gradually dispersed into modern jazz and popular music and R&B, people were starting to dress differently. The new medium of TV had some truly classic presentations in the early 50s.

There seems to have been a scare among some, and soon thereafter the TV and magazines flooded the country with Rockwell renditions and prescriptions of what the country and the family and the man and the woman were supposed to be like. This was the prevailing  environment that induced Betty Friedan to take surveys of women regarding satisfaction with their lives and her articles from that published in Cosmopolitan et al., later the book The Feminine Mystique.

The 'internal enemy' communist scare and commensurate harassment and near terrorization of some American citizens may have been the spearhead for imposing the fear of God (in classic doublespeak stated as "trust") upon the nation as cover for the intended purpose of instilling fear of government. But given the overall fear of a free thinking society, this fear of God was also conducive to instilling a fear of straying from conformity.








Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/17/2012 12:35:13 PM)

Or, a drunken junior Senator and a power-hungry Vice-President, supported by a new Conservative movement from The Family, needed a manufactured scare to (1) suppress the voice of their opposition and (2) stir up a sense of urgency for political wind in their sails.




jlf1961 -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/17/2012 1:36:12 PM)

You know, they made a movie about a country like what the religious right and conservatives want. It was called "V for Vendetta" Good movie, especially when the masses rose up against the religious and political leaders.




Real0ne -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/17/2012 1:47:37 PM)

the problem of course is that what either party wants always violates their opponents rights.

~May the Force be with you




Real0ne -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/17/2012 5:22:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Or, a drunken junior Senator and a power-hungry Vice-President, supported by a new Conservative movement from The Family, needed a manufactured scare to (1) suppress the voice of their opposition and (2) stir up a sense of urgency for political wind in their sails.



sounds like you know more about the hegelian dialectic than you let on :D




Moonhead -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 7:11:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

You know, they made a movie about a country like what the religious right and conservatives want. It was called "V for Vendetta" Good movie, especially when the masses rose up against the religious and political leaders.


How does the Watchowskis habitual recourse to a load of ridiculous gnostic bullshit for the final act carry the anti religious message, then?




Fightdirecto -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 8:28:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

You know, they made a movie about a country like what the religious right and conservatives want. It was called "V for Vendetta" Good movie, especially when the masses rose up against the religious and political leaders.

An even better example, IMO, is "The Handmaid's Tale"

The Handmaid's Tale

quote:

The Handmaid's Tale is set in the near future in the Republic of Gilead, a country formed within the borders of what was formerly the United States of America. It was founded by a racist, male chauvinist, nativist, theocratic-organized military coup as an ideologically driven response to the pervasive ecological, physical and social degradation of the country.

Beginning with a staged terrorist attack (blamed on Islamic extremist terrorists) that kills the President and most of Congress, a movement calling itself the "Sons of Jacob" launched a revolution and suspended the United States Constitution under the pretext of restoring order.

Taking advantage of electronic banking, they were quickly able to freeze the assets of all women and other "undesirables" in the country, stripping them of their rights. The new theocratic military dictatorship, styled "The Republic of Gilead", moved quickly to consolidate its power and reorganize society along a new militarized, hierarchical, compulsorily Christian regime of Old Testament-inspired social and religious orthodoxy among its newly created social classes.


IMDB "The Handmaid's Tale"




kdsub -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 8:44:12 AM)

Our forefathers were so wise...they realized that any free system of government needed to be able to change to match the needs and mores of the times. They managed either by genius or luck to make a Constitution that allowed this change through interpretation of basic principles. They would have approved of In God we trust...and Under God. The ability of the Constitution to bend to the will of the people while still keeping the structure that assured change in the future I believe was their goal.

We will change again and again...sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worst...but the wisdom in our governments creation is the ability to change and remain a Democracy.

So lighten up...The Constitution was right in 1776...1782... 1954...1956...and it will work today and tomorrow. You may not agree with a change but the majority will.

Butch




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 8:51:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Our forefathers were so wise...they realized that any free system of government needed to be able to change to match the needs and mores of the times. They managed either by genius or luck to make a Constitution that allowed this change through interpretation of basic principles. They would have approved of In God we trust...and Under God. The ability of the Constitution to bend to the will of the people while still keeping the structure that assured change in the future I believe was their goal.

We will change again and again...sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worst...but the wisdom in our governments creation is the ability to change and remain a Democracy.

So lighten up...The Constitution was right in 1776...1782... 1954...1956...and it will work today and tomorrow. You may not agree with a change but the majority will.

Butch

Whoa there cowpoke.

I actually never said anything about agreeing with it or not. I DID say that it's commonly misrepresented as the direct intent of the founding fathers, when it's completely the work of McCarthy's paranoia and the political rise of The Family. Nor is any of this a discussion of the Constitution--in fact, none of this is from the Constitution, EXCEPT the single mention deliberately excluding it:

[image]http://biodork.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/did-you-know.jpg[/image]

So lighten up yourself! None of this is a matter of whether people at all, let alone a majority, agree. Who cares? The point is correcting an often repeated flatly incorrect assertion used to promote an agenda today.

You can rejoice that I'm using my Constitutional rights as the founders intended, right here in 2012!





kdsub -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 9:00:23 AM)

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I actually never said anything about agreeing with it or not


You took my post wrong...I was not criticizing your or anyone’s stand... I was just stating a personal belief that I though went along with your post…or at least your post brought to the fore of my brain.

Butch




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 9:09:43 AM)

OK. Thanks Butch.




GotSteel -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 9:26:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
The point is correcting an often repeated flatly incorrect assertion used to promote an agenda today.


It is horrifying how much false quoting goes on in the Christian Nation movement.




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 9:46:51 AM)

http://wordconstructions.com.au/blog/2008/02/stick-to-your-topic/




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 9:51:01 AM)

Perhaps the mods will take a moment and explain sticking to the topic to you and why we do it.




MrBukani -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 9:54:19 AM)

As long as any contitution states wording like under God.
There is no freedom of religion.
Cause that contitution is biased.
I believe in aliens and they are not god.
Period.




MrBukani -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 9:56:32 AM)

Like swearing on the bible is biased. If I dont believe in it. I can swear anything.




MrBukani -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 10:24:39 AM)

Maybe I shudda said equality instead of freedom.
But its the same differnce to me.




Real0ne -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 10:37:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

Maybe I shudda said equality instead of freedom.
But its the same differnce to me.



well freedom really means "not slave" which is "construed" in aristocracy land (the world), to mean "franchised" with allegiance under a "sovereign" (monarch, or entity with the power of monarch).

Like God v atheism it is full left and full right and no inbetween.

You are either in chains breaking rocks or you are in chains to the sovereign. Look at the british coat of arms to see a graphical representation of it.

there is no such thing as equality either, especially in law since law is purchased and definitely not because you are born bareassed unless heredity is abolished AND the existing treaties be they corporeal or incorporeal.






MrBukani -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 10:49:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

Maybe I shudda said equality instead of freedom.
But its the same differnce to me.



well freedom really means "not slave" which is "construed" in aristocracy land (the world), to mean "franchised" with allegiance under a "sovereign" (monarch, or entity with the power of monarch).

Like God v atheism it is full left and full right and no inbetween.

You are either in chains breaking rocks or you are in chains to the sovereign. Look at the british coat of arms to see a graphical representation of it.

there is no such thing as equality either, especially in law since law is purchased and definitely not because you are born bareassed unless heredity is abolished AND the existing treaties be they corporeal or incorporeal.




Yeah I hear you law is purchased on who can afford the best lawyer.
But I am gonna be reported again for going off topic or offending general opinion.
Ah who cares.
We all die sooner or later, I just give it my best untill my time has come.




Musicmystery -> RE: The Religious Right and '50s McCarthyism (3/18/2012 10:50:34 AM)

http://www.answers.com/topic/topic




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