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SternSkipper -> We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/15/2012 9:52:54 PM)

How We're All Paying for Rush Limbaugh to Take Viagra (And Why it Costs a Lot More Than Contraception)

When conservative blowhards rant, you know they have something on their minds and it's almost always themselves. So the people who yell loudest about class warfare have waged it successfully on behalf of the 1 percent. And the conservatives complaining about death panels did not object to the real ones in states like Arizona that denied Medicaid benefits to patients who died because of the transplants they could not get as a result. Similarly, you then hear Rush Limbaugh objecting that a mandate that university health plans cover contraception would mean taxpayers paying people to have sex, it can only mean that he is describing himself. And he may very well be. Let me explain.


First, Rush's comment. As anyone who had listened to the media over the last week should know by now, the conservative radio commentator insulted Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke when she tried to testify before Congress. Fluke's testimony maintained that contraceptive coverage was important to women because, without coverage, it could cost as much as $3,000 over the course of university enrollment and some women needed the birth control pill to control medical conditions such as ovarian cysts. Fluke told the sad story of a classmate who could not afford the pill and faces early menopause in her 20s as a result. Limbaugh called Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute" and insisted that she "wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex" and he later added "as many times and as often as they want, with as many partners as they want."


The Obama administration, however, mandated that private plans cover contraception because doing so will save money, unlike coverage of Rush's Viagra, which does cost the taxpayers money if he bought it through an employer-provided plan. Limbaugh made the news pages sometime ago when he was stopped with a bottle of Viagra as he was returning from the Dominican Republic, with four men to whom he was not married. He was detained because the Viagra was issued pursuant to a prescription in his doctor's name, but once he signed an affidavit that it was in fact for his personal use, the matter was dropped.


Now, I don't begrudge Rush his Viagra, if he has a problem with erectile dysfunction (though I certainly too do not favor posting his activities on YouTube). It would be nice, however, if Rush were to admit the taxpayer role in paying for his pills. Our existing healthcare today is a massive subsidy from the uninsured to the insured. The U.S. does not have a state-sponsored healthcare system partly because of a historical accident. The earliest forms of health insurance were modestly sized, physician-sponsored Blues programs. But it took U. S. government-imposed price controls during World War II to really grow the concept.


In the 1940s, private employers started to offer healthcare benefits to compete for new employees during a tight labor market. Employers deducted the cost of the programs as a business expense, but employees did not have to report the benefits as income on their tax returns. The result is a huge tax subsidy for healthcare benefits. The more money an employee makes - and the higher the marginal tax rate on the employee's income - the more the employee might prefer additional income in the form of an untaxed medical benefit. So the best employer-provided healthcare plans, the so-called "Cadillac plans," often go to the most highly compensated employees. CEOs love them. Mitt Romney as head of Bain Capital, highly sought-after commentators like Limbaugh, and some of the most generous union plans tend to have the most extensive coverage. While the Affordable Health Care Act proposes higher taxes on these plans, the changes won't take place for years. And, in the meantime, the more extensive the employer-provided plan and the higher the marginal tax rate of the recipient, the greater is the effective taxpayer subsidy.


The fact that high-end medical insurance plans cover a drug like Viagra also affects what new products come to market. Researchers are more likely to invest in the development of medical innovations with a guaranteed market (and the ability to charge a high markup) than in medical care that depends on individual ability to pay. So not only do taxpayers subsidize Rush's Viagra along with a host of other medical treatments, but the existence of healthcare plans that more heavily subsidize the wealthy and the employed increases the odds that less subsidized medical treatments will be less effective or more expensive.


In contrast, you as a taxpayer or an insurance buyer pay more if contraception is not included in healthcare plans like those at Georgetown. The administration mandate required that private employers provide contraception as part of preventive care because it is less expensive than the health costs of the delivery and birth of the unwanted child. Healthcare premiums for private insurance plans, such as those provided by Georgetown University, vary with the overall costs of coverage

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DesideriScuri -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 5:20:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
How We're All Paying for Rush Limbaugh to Take Viagra (And Why it Costs a Lot More Than Contraception)


So, your "solution" to all this is to cover things for more people. My solution is to cover less things (incl. Viagra) for everyone.




tweakabelle -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 7:32:21 AM)

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So, your "solution" to all this is to cover things for more people. My solution is to cover less things (incl. Viagra) for everyone.


It has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, that universal health care systems cover ALL things for ALL people for about half the cost of the US system. So if there is a rational reason to continue to adhere to this minimalist position, which by its very nature, denies health coverage to some people who will need it, it is far from immediately clear.

There are far better solutions available for less cost. Why not adopt them?




Yachtie -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 9:13:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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So, your "solution" to all this is to cover things for more people. My solution is to cover less things (incl. Viagra) for everyone.


It has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, that universal health care systems cover ALL things for ALL people for about half the cost of the US system. So if there is a rational reason to continue to adhere to this minimalist position, which by its very nature, denies health coverage to some people who will need it, it is far from immediately clear.

There are far better solutions available for less cost. Why not adopt them?



Because I don't want to and you'd force yourself and your beliefs on me. Of course I'm just stupid and such would be for my own good. You progressives know best. So elitist of you.

universal health care systems cover ALL things for ALL people

Really? All things? For All people?




DomKen -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 9:26:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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So, your "solution" to all this is to cover things for more people. My solution is to cover less things (incl. Viagra) for everyone.


It has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, that universal health care systems cover ALL things for ALL people for about half the cost of the US system. So if there is a rational reason to continue to adhere to this minimalist position, which by its very nature, denies health coverage to some people who will need it, it is far from immediately clear.

There are far better solutions available for less cost. Why not adopt them?



Because I don't want to and you'd force yourself and your beliefs on me. Of course I'm just stupid and such would be for my own good. You progressives know best. So elitist of you.

universal health care systems cover ALL things for ALL people

Really? All things? For All people?

You would still be free to spend your hard earned money on health care. You'd just be a fool to do so but if your "beliefs" are more important than your money...




Edwynn -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 11:34:01 AM)


Some people just like paying higher premiums.






DesideriScuri -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 12:11:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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So, your "solution" to all this is to cover things for more people. My solution is to cover less things (incl. Viagra) for everyone.

It has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, that universal health care systems cover ALL things for ALL people for about half the cost of the US system. So if there is a rational reason to continue to adhere to this minimalist position, which by its very nature, denies health coverage to some people who will need it, it is far from immediately clear.
There are far better solutions available for less cost. Why not adopt them?
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It has yet to be shown HOW it would reduce our costs 50%. Is it a magical >poof< of Obamacare dust and all is half price? Say it with me, no.

You have no idea how it would reduce our costs. You only know that other countries pay about 50% less than we do. Take a look at our poor. Just those that are living in poverty. Compare them with the poor in other countries. Or, perhaps, even take their middle class and compare them to our poor...




Lucylastic -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 12:12:47 PM)

You have no idea how it would reduce our costs. You only know that other countries pay about 50% less than we do. Take a look at our poor. Just those that are living in poverty. Compare them with the poor in other countries. Or, perhaps, even take their middle class and compare them to our poor...

compare them how...?




subrob1967 -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 3:52:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You have no idea how it would reduce our costs. You only know that other countries pay about 50% less than we do. Take a look at our poor. Just those that are living in poverty. Compare them with the poor in other countries. Or, perhaps, even take their middle class and compare them to our poor...

compare them how...?



Our poor are running around in $150 dollar Nike's, sporting smart phones, and playing XBoxes. Not to mention the clean water for drinking and bathing, and the obesity problems. Don't see many fat poor people in Africa, or Haiti.

Our poor are the world's 1%.




Moonhead -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 5:25:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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So, your "solution" to all this is to cover things for more people. My solution is to cover less things (incl. Viagra) for everyone.


It has been pointed out to you, repeatedly, that universal health care systems cover ALL things for ALL people for about half the cost of the US system. So if there is a rational reason to continue to adhere to this minimalist position, which by its very nature, denies health coverage to some people who will need it, it is far from immediately clear.

There are far better solutions available for less cost. Why not adopt them?



Because I don't want to and you'd force yourself and your beliefs on me. Of course I'm just stupid and such would be for my own good. You progressives know best. So elitist of you.

universal health care systems cover ALL things for ALL people

Really? All things? For All people?

Projecting much?




Lucylastic -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 5:30:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You have no idea how it would reduce our costs. You only know that other countries pay about 50% less than we do. Take a look at our poor. Just those that are living in poverty. Compare them with the poor in other countries. Or, perhaps, even take their middle class and compare them to our poor...

compare them how...?



Our poor are running around in $150 dollar Nike's, sporting smart phones, and playing XBoxes. Not to mention the clean water for drinking and bathing, and the obesity problems. Don't see many fat poor people in Africa, or Haiti.

Our poor are the world's 1%.

Oh I thought you might possibly use comparable terms, I should have known better




subrob1967 -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 5:59:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

You have no idea how it would reduce our costs. You only know that other countries pay about 50% less than we do. Take a look at our poor. Just those that are living in poverty. Compare them with the poor in other countries. Or, perhaps, even take their middle class and compare them to our poor...

compare them how...?



Our poor are running around in $150 dollar Nike's, sporting smart phones, and playing XBoxes. Not to mention the clean water for drinking and bathing, and the obesity problems. Don't see many fat poor people in Africa, or Haiti.

Our poor are the world's 1%.

Oh I thought you might possibly use comparable terms, I should have known better



I guess a Canadian just wouldn't understand... What do you want to hear? American poor have cellphones, and video games, and are obese, so hunger isn't a problem compared to the people of Ethiopia, or Somalia, or the Dominican Republic?

How much more comparable do you need?




Lucylastic -> RE: We pay more for Rush's rants than contraception (3/16/2012 6:21:24 PM)

Im not canadian.
Hunger is a problem all around the world... haiti, nigeria, the sudan, mexico, the cheek is that you dare to compare america to them ..not a more "well off country" not the "under developed".
Again that you didnt get it... I knew better




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