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MLskajira -> a pet's pets (6/3/2006 2:06:16 PM)

when Master first got this girl she had 2 cats, 3 dogs and a tank full of fish.
now she has 2 dogs and 2 fish, and Master just informed her that He wants her to get rid of her last remaining pet (the other dog and the fish belong to this girl's son)
she lost one of her dogs only a couple of months ago to cancer and she had owned that dog for 12 years. she had to leave her 2 cats to a friend only a month ago and she had had them for 13 and 3 years, respectively. this last dog she has had for only 4 years, but she is this girl's baby, especially after losing her friend to cancer.
she understands Master's point, mo is half wolf and a large animal, the other dog is part black lab and part pitt bull, so she is large as well.
this girl lives in a mobile home in a park, she is a full time student with a suicidal 16 y.o.(really), and is on a fixed income and 2 large dogs are expensive.
she knows Master's order is done out of concern and with compassion, not only for His pet and home here, but for mo as well.
this girl is a Shaman and feels completely alone without an animal friend in the home, Master has told her that He will allow her another pet (a small one this time), but that she must wait before she gets one.
any advice on how to let go of a beloved pet, for their own good, would be greatly appriciated, because all this girl can do right now is cry.



Quivver -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 2:16:44 PM)

OMG, what a Horrible Choice to have to make!!
I'm gonna be harsh here, .... I'm of the he knew you had them when he collared you.  If no agreement was made at the time that you were to slim down your herd of critters then IMHO he is crossing a BIG line and endangering the relationship.
Possibly this is yet one more reason I'm ~Masterless~ my critters and I come as a package be they children, horses, dog's or cats. 
[:@] .............. this is just my opinion, and I know you'll do what is best for you
in the long run, but WOW this one sure hit me in a sore spot!!!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR



perverseangelic -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 2:26:14 PM)

Frankly, while for the most part I believe that it is the property's job to do what the owner wants, I think this is a totally unreasonable and horrid demand. Not unreasoanble for -you- so much, but unreasonable for these poor critters, who don't have any say inthe matter.

When you adopted these animals you took on the responsiblity of caring for them for their lives. Espeically seeing as these are older animals, and of breedst hat people tend to discriminate against,  it would be -hard- to place them with new families. I hate to be fatalistic, but realitically, taking these critters to the humane society virtually garuntees either euthanization or, at a no-kill shelter, being stuck in cages/foster care for the rest of their lives.

Yes, dogs are expensive, but there are ways to get help with that. Our local humane society provides aide to people who need a bit of help with food. They get donations and often pass them on to pet owners. Many vets will work with people to form payment plans for vet care. The humane society here also provides referals to low-cost vet care.

You seem to have been doing ok with your pets up till now. Also, two dogs, even large dogs, is NOT a crazy amount of pets. These pets are older, and, again, of "undesirable' breeds. Unless you find a friend or personal aquaintence that you -know- face to face and well....I don't have a lot of faith in newspaper ads and the like. I've heared and known first-hand of dogs that were given up to 'good homes' that ended up as bait and training dogs for dog fighting, among other things

Again, I'm sorry for the fatalistic attitude, but I have a 12 y/o pit mix



MLskajira -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 3:16:30 PM)

this girl would like to say here, that she agrees with her Master. mo would be happier somewhere where she could run and play. it has to be hard on her being stuck inside most of the time.
Master had nothing to do with the loss of her other little dog or her cats and fish. all but the cats died and this girl had to move to a place where cats were not allowed,(but dogs are, go figure).
the pitt-lab is the oldest and Master assures His pet that jazzy will be a part of the family until she dies.
the humane scociety here is not a place where this girl would leave her baby, nor are they helpful with food, vet care or pretty much anything else ( this girl knows, she worked for them for over 2 years).
she didnt even consider putting an ad in the paper, this girl wants to know the people her baby goes to and she has a large base to work from (her family, and Master and His family all are helping find mo a home) plus this girl has her tribe to look to, and many of them would be honored to have this girl's dog.
she is just haveing a hard time sending mo to be someone elses baby.
it's like having a child move out on their own.
this girl knows that mo WILL go to a good home.
but, like she told her Master, even if the best vet in the country, with a large fenced yard and a loving home with kids to play with that mo loved took her home with him, this girl would still cry.
sometimes doing the best thing for someone you love hurts.



MLskajira -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 3:22:07 PM)

this girl recently moved from a large house with a large fenced yard , due to a tree falling through it,to a small mobile home with no yard and has to chain mo when she goes out.
mo is no longer happy. this girl is no longer happy and Master is no longer happy.
since mo has no choice and must live the way this girl must if she keeps her, this girl opts for the dogs happiness and will do her best to find mo a loving, safe, healthy home.
but it breaks this girl's heart that she is unable to bring the same joy to her pet as she used to. she knows mo loves her, and this girl loves mo enough to find her a place to be content in.



perverseangelic -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 3:38:14 PM)

REading your replies, I feel a lot better.

Not that you needed to justify to me, but reading the first one, it came accross as an "I don't like pets, get rid of those darn dogs" statement. Reading what you've said since, it seems much more like a "we have a logical plan for rehoming a critter who is getting less than optimal care with us"



juliaoceania -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 4:18:40 PM)

When I get a pet it is a part of my family. I do not know if a dom could order me to part with a member of my family. I have a cat that has adopted me, and I may have to give her away when I move, but to my sister. I know that pets are NOT children, but we make a commitment to them and personally speaking I could not break any commitment I make to another creature because someone told me to. Now that is just me, and you have to do what you have to do, it is your life after all, and we all have had to make decisions that suit our lives.

On Edit:

I read the other posts and I realize that I was under the wrong impression.,... sorry



babysburnin -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 4:37:08 PM)

I've lost three dogs (not including my ex- husband - hehehe) during my life, moving, illness, etc. 

I feel for you.  Our pets were always a part of our family.  You just need time to consider that Mo will be okay.  And make sure Mo goes somewhere you have COMPLETE confidence in. 

Can you ask for time to get used to the idea and search for a great new home?



petwolf22 -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 6:45:42 PM)

If mo is part wolf, look for a wolf sanctuary in your area that might be able to care for her.  i'm sure she gets on well with you, but with a wild side like that i'd be hesitant to place her with anybody else who doesn't know how to properly care for her.  The first time she reverts to her natural side could be the end of her.

i know there's a really awesome one in Tenino, WA called Wolf Haven (i've visited there and give donations every year)...not sure about the task of getting her there though.

good luck

petwolf



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 8:22:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MLskajira

this girl recently moved from a large house with a large fenced yard , due to a tree falling through it,to a small mobile home with no yard and has to chain mo when she goes out.
mo is no longer happy. this girl is no longer happy and Master is no longer happy.
since mo has no choice and must live the way this girl must if she keeps her, this girl opts for the dogs happiness and will do her best to find mo a loving, safe, healthy home.
but it breaks this girl's heart that she is unable to bring the same joy to her pet as she used to. she knows mo loves her, and this girl loves mo enough to find her a place to be content in.

Try and find a home or farm where you can have frequent visitor privileges.

And try and look at things from the long term fulfillment factor.  It really does sound like this is the best choice for everyone and will let you focus on getting your daughter stable and healthy, your main priority right now and ultiamtely the most important one.



boy43 -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 8:35:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

OMG, what a Horrible Choice to have to make!!
I'm gonna be harsh here, .... I'm of the he knew you had them when he collared you.  If no agreement was made at the time that you were to slim down your herd of critters then IMHO he is crossing a BIG line and endangering the relationship.
Possibly this is yet one more reason I'm ~Masterless~ my critters and I come as a package be they children, horses, dog's or cats. 
[:@] .............. this is just my opinion, and I know you'll do what is best for you
in the long run, but WOW this one sure hit me in a sore spot!!!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

i think that pets as living beings have some rights. When we make them ours we make a commiments about them, cause they are so dependable of us, and it might be up till they pass out.
An after commiment with your Master/Mistress couldnt be the raison of leaving them. If you do it, asure yourself that she/he is in simillar living conditions as before it. But i doubt, if the pet is a dog, that she is going to be happy without her past owner...
arent slaves the same feeling about it?



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 8:42:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: boy43
But i doubt, if the pet is a dog, that she is going to be happy without her past owner...
arent slaves the same feeling about it?

I love my pets so much that I would rather they be in a truly happy environment rather than suffer within mine.

And, in general, no pet is worth more than my human relationships.  Hate to say it, but I won't spend thousands to diagnose and treat a pets problems, and I won't let their needs interfere with my needs.

That doesn't mean you shuffle them off like yesterday's paper.  But priorities remain the same.



Sirandlittle1 -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 9:34:21 PM)

Yes, i thought, god thats dreadful! when i first read this thread. But now you've explained, yes, its a responsible decision to make.

I recently had to put my cat down, that my Dom accidently ran over. And im clinging to the good bits right now to get through the loss part. Your gonna go through that. So make sure you set the dog up in the very best situation you can. You owe her that. She is not going to die, she's gonna be somewhere lovely. Where she will be happy.
My Sir says, that when your faced with a challenge, that conjures so many thoughts and feelings, just look at the good ones for starters. You can do the rest later. When your stronger.

If it were my baby Kevin, like LA says, i love him so much, id want him to be where he'd be happiest. And painfully, that might not always be with me.

i wish you strength
little1



babysburnin -> RE: a pet's pets (6/3/2006 10:01:42 PM)

Dogs "love" and have a lot of "intuition/sense".  They want to be part of a "pack" and to know their place within that pack.  Crap... we should learn.... I love dogs!



Vancouver_cinful -> RE: a pet's pets (6/4/2006 1:13:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

Frankly, while for the most part I believe that it is the property's job to do what the owner wants, I think this is a totally unreasonable and horrid demand. Not unreasoanble for -you- so much, but unreasonable for these poor critters, who don't have any say inthe matter.


Personally, I'm not really in favour of people in small places, with a limited income, having large pets who need room, and a lot of food. I wouldn't call it an unreasonable or horrid demand. While I assume she looks after her dogs as well as she can, I have to wonder how kind it is for a large dog to live in those conditions. I also believe that if she is going to school and supporting a child, then her money can always be put to better use than dog food.

I would dearly love to have a cat...but I live in a high-rise, and I'm not willing to risk my pet falling to its death. (And those who say cats don't fall can tell that to my two friends who had cats plummet to their death.) Forcing a cat to spend all day shut upside a small apartment, with no access to the outside, seems just as unkind, so I make the responsible decision (as hard as it is), to not have a cat.
 
I feel for her grief, but I feel her master is wise in this, and she has said in the past that she obeys him in everything, so I suspect this is within his rights to demand.



Vancouver_cinful -> RE: a pet's pets (6/4/2006 1:16:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MLskajira

but it breaks this girl's heart that she is unable to bring the same joy to her pet as she used to. she knows mo loves her, and this girl loves mo enough to find her a place to be content in.


And that truly is acting with love for your pet.



Wulfchyld -> RE: a pet's pets (6/4/2006 1:25:36 AM)

I will give your Wolf a home with 40 acres to run if he/she is good with children.



MLskajira -> RE: a pet's pets (6/4/2006 8:24:13 AM)

Wulfchyld, mo loves everyone and is wonderful with children.
she is completely housebroken. she is afraid of thunderstorms and loud noises and the dark (yes, she is afraid of the dark)
mo is a big baby and just a bit spoiled even though she is 4 y.o.
where are Y/you and how can this girl get mo to Y/you?
she would need to go to the vet.



Wulfchyld -> RE: a pet's pets (6/4/2006 11:07:01 AM)

Mail me, I am about 2-3 hrs from you.



pinkee -> RE: a pet's pets (6/4/2006 11:42:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MLskajira

when Master first got this girl she had 2 cats, 3 dogs and a tank full of fish.
now she has 2 dogs and 2 fish, and Master just informed her that He wants her to get rid of her last remaining pet (the other dog and the fish belong to this girl's son)
she lost one of her dogs only a couple of months ago to cancer and she had owned that dog for 12 years. she had to leave her 2 cats to a friend only a month ago and she had had them for 13 and 3 years, respectively. this last dog she has had for only 4 years, but she is this girl's baby, especially after losing her friend to cancer.
she understands Master's point, mo is half wolf and a large animal, the other dog is part black lab and part pitt bull, so she is large as well.
this girl lives in a mobile home in a park, she is a full time student with a suicidal 16 y.o.(really), and is on a fixed income and 2 large dogs are expensive.
she knows Master's order is done out of concern and with compassion, not only for His pet and home here, but for mo as well.
this girl is a Shaman and feels completely alone without an animal friend in the home, Master has told her that He will allow her another pet (a small one this time), but that she must wait before she gets one.
any advice on how to let go of a beloved pet, for their own good, would be greatly appriciated, because all this girl can do right now is cry.


i am so terribly sorry.  i hope your son is getting the help he needs.  It sounds as if you've suffered one loss after another in a short time frame, and perhaps your Master does not fully understand what your dog means to you.
 
So first, i would (respectfully) ask if you may discuss this with Him and tell Him about your feelings.  Perhaps He will change His directions in light of this information, or at least delay them.
 
You do not mention whether or not your son is also attached to the dog.  However, IMHO, you are a mother first and a slave second.  With such a deeply disturbed little one, i would refuse to take away anything that would cause him loss or sorrow.  i know it's a risk, defying your Master, but again, i think if He were in posession of all the facts/feelings involved, He might reconsider.
 
i wish you and your son happiness and better days.
 
pinkee



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