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farglebargle -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/21/2012 5:52:06 PM)

Good thing it's the INSURANCE COMPANY offering the coverage, and paying the benefits, and Georgetown has nothing to do with the process other than keeping a stack of pamphlets about it at the student-health-service....

I'm really tired of the liars who keep going on, and on, and on, about the insane, crackpot, conspiracy theory that anyone BUT the Insurer and Insured are party to the contract for benefits.





dcnovice -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/21/2012 6:08:38 PM)

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nor does it support the notion that it should fire all it's leadership. I'm thinking of a President or two who kinda lacked moral leadership on the Left but we did not fire them so I suppose it is a bad idea to do so, according to the Left.


Wow. Just wow.




dcnovice -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/21/2012 6:27:41 PM)

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P.S. If any of you dislike the Catholic Church then leave it and join say, the Methodist Church. You will probably like it better.


Been there, done that. Except it was the Episcopalians rather than the Methodists. One of the best decisions of my life!




outhere69 -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/21/2012 7:47:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
Not one student asked for BC pills to be covered (No, it wasn't an all-male school. In fact is was predominently female). Not one student asked for prescription drugs to be covered. Their concerns were re-imbursment for tuition in case they were incapacitated and the school's guidlines didn't allow for remuneration.

Peace and comfort,

Michael[/color]

My school never asked what coverage we wanted. It was pretty crappy too... just ask the student at my school (UCSB) that developed leukemia. Lots of fundraisers for her.




GotSteel -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/21/2012 8:23:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
maybe tell me some of these special privileges I have been missing out on.


Well if you'd like a couple of examples here you go:

40 Examples of Christian Privilege
1. It is likely that state and federal holidays coincide with my religious practices, thereby having
little to no impact on my job and/or education.
2. I can talk openly about my religious practices without concern for how it will be received by
others.
3. I can be sure to hear music on the radio and watch specials on television that celebrate the
holidays of my religion.
4. When told about the history of civilization, I am can be sure that I am shown people of my
religion made it what it is.
5. I can worry about religious privilege without being perceived as “self-interested” or “selfseeking.”
6. I can have a “Jesus is Lord” bumper sticker or Icthus (Christian Fish) on my car and not worry
about someone vandalizing my car because of it.
7. I can share my holiday greetings without being fully conscious of how it may impact those who
do not celebrate the same holidays. Also, I can be sure that people are knowledgeable about
the holidays of my religion and will greet me with the appropriate holiday greeting (e.g., Merry
Christmas, Happy Easter, etc.).
8. I can probably assume that there is a universality of religious experience.
9. I can deny Christian Privilege by asserting that all religions are essentially the same.
10. I probably do not need to learn the religious or spiritual customs of others, and I am likely not
penalized for not knowing them.
11. I am probably unencumbered by having to explain why I am or am not doing things related to
my religious norms on a daily basis.
12. I am likely not judged by the improper actions of others in my religious group.
13. If I wish, I can usually or exclusively be among those from my religious group most of the time
(in work, school, or at home).
14. I can assume that my safety, or the safety of my family, will not be put in jeopardy by
disclosing my religion to others at work or at school.
15. It is likely that mass media represents my religion widely AND positively.
16. It is likely that I can find items to buy that represent my religious norms and holidays with
relative ease (e.g., food, decorations, greeting cards, etc.).
17. I can speak or write about my religion, and even critique other religions, and have these
perspectives listened to and published with relative ease and without much fear of reprisal.
18. I could write an article on Christian Privilege without putting my own religion on trial.
19. I can travel without others assuming that I put them at risk because of my religion; nor will my
religion put me at risk from others when I travel.
20. I can be financially successful without the assumption from others that this success is
connected to my religion.
21. I can protect myself (and my children) from people who may not like me (or them) based on
my religion.
22. Law enforcement officials will likely assume I am a non-threatening person if my religion is
disclosed to them. In fact, disclosure may actually help law enforcement officials perceive me
as being “in the right” or “unbiased."
23. I can safely assume that any authority figure will generally be someone of my religion.
24. I can talk about my religion, even proselytize, and be characterized as “sharing the word,”
instead of imposing my ideas on others.
25. I can be gentle and affirming to people without being characterized as an exception to my
religion.
26. I am never asked to speak on behalf of all Christians.
27. My citizenship and immigration status will likely not be questioned, and my background will
likely not be investigated, because of my religion.
28. My place of worship is probably not targeted for violence because of sentiment against my
religion.
29. I can be sure that my religion will not work against me when seeking medical or legal help.
30. My religion will not cause teachers to pigeonhole me into certain professions based of the
assumed "prowess" of my religious group.
31. I will not have my children taken from me from governmental authorities who are aware of my
religious affiliation.
32. Disclosure of my religion to an adoption agency will likely not prevent me from being able to
adopt children.
33. If I wish to give my children a parochial religious education, I probably have a variety of options
nearby.
34. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence and
importance of my religion.
35. I can be sure that when someone in the media is referring to G-d, they are referring to my
(Christian) G-d.
36. I can easily find academic courses and institutions that give attention only to people of my
religion.
37. My religious holidays are so completely “normal” that, in many ways, they may appear to no
longer have any religious significance at all.
38. The elected and unelected officials of my government probably are members of my religious
group.
39. When swearing an oath, I am probably making this oath by placing my hand on the scripture of
my religion.
40. I can openly display my religious symbol(s) on my person or property without fear of
disapproval, violence, and/or vandalism.

Schlosser, L. Z. (2003). Christian privilege: Breaking a sacred taboo. Journal of Multicultural
Counseling and Development, 31(1), 44-51.




GotSteel -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/22/2012 4:28:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
IT'S NOT ABOUT PAYING FOR THE PILLS! IT'S ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!


Having heard quite a few unrebutted arguments for how paying for the pills would save money I'm inclined to agree that it's not about the pills. I do however think that attempts to force others to abide by ones own religious tenants doesn't fall under the category of religious freedom.




farglebargle -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/22/2012 5:26:50 AM)

Remember how in the past, slaveowners would control their slaves breeding?

There you are.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/22/2012 2:09:18 PM)

For all of you that believe a company should have the right to tailor health insurance based on their religious ethics, I have a question.  How do we find out what religion a company is? Should people interviewing for jobs be allowed to ask what the "company religion" is? Is it determined by shareholders, the board of directors, customers, drawing straws . . . .? (Honestly, I did not realize companies were religious; I thought individuals were religious.)




farglebargle -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/22/2012 6:23:46 PM)

Didn't you get the memo. Corporations are people too!




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/22/2012 6:58:47 PM)

I had no idea they had freedom of religion now




Arturas -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/23/2012 7:55:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

For all of you that believe a company should have the right to tailor health insurance based on their religious ethics, I have a question.  How do we find out what religion a company is? Should people interviewing for jobs be allowed to ask what the "company religion" is? Is it determined by shareholders, the board of directors, customers, drawing straws . . . .? (Honestly, I did not realize companies were religious; I thought individuals were religious.)



Glad you asked. Each time I looked over a company that wanted to hire me I did indeed look over their benefits as a part of the overall compensation package. This is a freedom I have. They have a freedom to look me over and decide if I fit within the company. These are all good things and is the way getting a job works in a free society.

This is not the way it works in a Socialist state. There you are assigned jobs and you take what the State gives you by law, you pay an insurance premium assigned by the State and are assigned benefits by the State and the care is rationed by the State and you live in the hole the State selects for you at a rent amount the State makes you pay.

Which brings us to Obama care. This week the Supreme Court takes up the provision of Obama Care that requires each citizen of the State to buy insurance or they are to pay a penalty and I assume eventually serve jail time if they cannot pay the penalty.
OMG, suddenly Obama care does not seem like free insurance but a stone around each person's neck, not just those who work but those who do not work since they must buy insurance also or be penalized, I suppose it comes out of your child welfare check or unemployment or disability compensation but it will be paid by each person every month for the rest of their lives or ELSE. Kinda scarey, huh? Damn right.

This is something for which the Supreme court must decide, a question of making us pay for benefits assigned by the State and if we can be penalized by the State if we don't pay the premium the State assigned us,
but that is the subject of a different thread.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/23/2012 8:08:37 AM)

Which, of course, is not the answer to the question I asked. But thanks for playing, Arturas




kalikshama -> RE: Catholic Bishops' Fight Against HHS Mandate (3/23/2012 1:23:18 PM)

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Glad you asked. Each time I looked over a company that wanted to hire me I did indeed look over their benefits as a part of the overall compensation package. This is a freedom I have. They have a freedom to look me over and decide if I fit within the company. These are all good things and is the way getting a job works in a free society. This is not the way it works in a Socialist state. There you are assigned jobs and you take what the State gives you by law, you pay an insurance premium assigned by the State and are assigned benefits by the State and the care is rationed by the State and you live in the hole the State selects for you at a rent amount the State makes you pay. Which brings us to Obama care. This week the Supreme Court takes up the provision of Obama Care that requires each citizen of the State to buy insurance or they are to pay a penalty and I assume eventually serve jail time if they cannot pay the penalty. OMG, suddenly Obama care does not seem like free insurance but a stone around each person's neck, not just those who work but those who do not work since they must buy insurance also or be penalized, I suppose it comes out of your child welfare check or unemployment or disability compensation but it will be paid by each person every month for the rest of their lives or ELSE. Kinda scarey, huh? Damn right.


Using your same logic, you can chose to work for the 96% of employers with more than 50 people who already offer health insurance now or the remaining 4% that will be mandated to do so starting in 2014.

And if you're not working:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Overview

...A shared responsibility requirement, commonly called an individual mandate,[18] requires that all persons not covered by an employer sponsored health plan, Medicaid, Medicare, or other public insurance programs purchase and comply with an approved private insurance policy or pay a penalty, unless the applicable individual is a member of a recognized religious sect exempted by the Internal Revenue Service, or waived in cases of financial hardship.[19]

# Medicaid eligibility is expanded to include all individuals and families with incomes up to 133% of the poverty level along with a simplified CHIP enrollment process.[20][21]

# Low income persons and families above the Medicaid level and up to 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies[23] on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (persons at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be of 2% of income or $50 a month for a family of 4).[24]




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