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Fightdirecto -> Disturbing motive alledged in Texas murder (3/18/2012 7:11:01 AM)

"He did not believe in God"

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Authorities said human remains found in a shallow grave in rural North Texas are those of a missing U.S. Army soldier, five years after they think he was killed.

The Clay County Sheriff's Office on Tuesday said Spc. Jose Ramirez of El Centro, Calif., was found early last month outside a home near Petrolia, just south of the Texas-Oklahoma border. Authorities were called to the home after an anonymous tipster contacted them about an unsolved murder.

According to a criminal complaint, authorities found bullet holes in a bedroom wall and blood stains in a hallway. A day later, they searched the area around the home and found a human skull with bullet marks as well as a pair of shorts with the word "Army," the complaint said.

Authorities charged 30-year-old Justin Green with first-degree murder in February. Green, who once lived in the home where the bullet holes were found, remains in jail on $1 million bond and will appear in court Monday...

Green and Ramirez both served together at Fort Sill, where Green spent five years before being discharged in July 2007.

Lemons described Green and Ramirez as acquaintances and said Green might have been visiting Ramirez when the incident occurred.

According to the criminal complaint, authorities arrested Green's mother, Terri Green; his sister, Brittany Jan Green; and his sister's friend, Stephanie Heaston-Corral. All three are charged with tampering with evidence...

Brittany Green allegedly told authorities that her brother said he had shot Ramirez twice because he "did not believe in God and alleged that Ramirez reached for a gun," the complaint said. Terri Green helped her son move Ramirez's body from the home's garage to the shallow grave, the complaint said.

Heaston-Corral later used Ramirez's credit card to buy a pizza, signing the receipt as "Stephanie Ramirez," the complaint alleges.

Lemons described the killing as a secret that had been kept by a small circle of people for years.

"One individual could not keep this secret any longer," he said.

As a non-denominational Christian, this alledged motive disturbs me - probably more disturbing to me than if I were an atheist.




Owner59 -> RE: Disturbing motive alledged in Texas murder (3/18/2012 7:28:02 AM)

When I read this I thought wow.....killed by god fearing people for not believing in god.


Sad.I feel sorry for the victim`s family.




hlen5 -> RE: Disturbing motive alledged in Texas murder (3/18/2012 7:46:51 AM)

Very Sad. How insane.




DarkSteven -> RE: Disturbing motive alledged in Texas murder (3/18/2012 7:56:43 AM)

Keep in mind that this defense might not be factual, but might simply be the best story the defendants could come up with. The area is likely filled with conservative Christians, and the story that the victim was an atheist might be intended for a jury.

The defendants are pretty stupid. They left the bullet holes and blood for five years after the murder. And bought a pizza under a fake name using the victim's card. (How did they determine who bought the pizza five years later?)

The part I find amazing is that the guy was killed and nobody investigated it. The murderer "lived in the house" previously, so he had moved out. It must have been abandoned - no other tenant would not notice the evidence. I suspect that it was abandoned when Green moved in, and he simply moved out sometime.




thishereboi -> RE: Disturbing motive alledged in Texas murder (3/18/2012 12:37:50 PM)

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As a non-denominational Christian, this alledged motive disturbs me - probably more disturbing to me than if I were an atheist.


I have been in a lot of different churches and I don't ever remember them teaching us that one. It sounds like something from Criminal Minds. Some people are really scary.




GotSteel -> RE: Disturbing motive alledged in Texas murder (3/18/2012 5:43:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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As a non-denominational Christian, this alledged motive disturbs me - probably more disturbing to me than if I were an atheist.


I have been in a lot of different churches and I don't ever remember them teaching us that one. It sounds like something from Criminal Minds. Some people are really scary.


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ORIGINAL: 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NIV
12 They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their ancestors, with all their heart and soul. 13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.



Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in the Bible that Christians mostly just ignore and the rest of us are really happy about that.




thishereboi -> RE: Disturbing motive alledged in Texas murder (3/19/2012 7:14:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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As a non-denominational Christian, this alledged motive disturbs me - probably more disturbing to me than if I were an atheist.


I have been in a lot of different churches and I don't ever remember them teaching us that one. It sounds like something from Criminal Minds. Some people are really scary.


quote:

ORIGINAL: 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NIV
12 They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their ancestors, with all their heart and soul. 13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.



Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in the Bible that Christians mostly just ignore and the rest of us are really happy about that.


There are a lot of stories in the old testament about how people lived back then and what their laws were. There is nothing that says we are supposed to be patterning our lives after each one of them. At least that's what they taught me in bible school. Maybe your church was different.




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