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emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 1:18:19 AM

captainblack

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I am in the process of working up some chasity devices for a
couple of submissive women. One is half way across the country
and the other is about an hour away. In the case of the "local girl"
I will be the key holder, so unlike my friend many miles away
she should not have free access to remove her own device, but I do want
her to have a key that she will have to some how unseal to
unlock herself if there is an emergency and I can not be reached
quickly.

My thoughts so far are a key on a chain that is soldered, or welded
around her neck that she can not remove over her head, but that
can be broken, but she works in a job that might make it difficult
to have a "key choker" around her neck. If she had pierced
nipples I would just ring it to her nipple, but that's not
yet an option.

So any ideas? I need to know that she has used the key without my
permission.

No I do not think she would disobey me that way, but she just might
be tempted to remove the device for reasons other than to break
her period of chasity if it is easy to get away with it. I already know
that she is lacking in self discipline, a problem I am working on
with carrots and sticks, or rather whips as I prefer them to sticks.

The ideal solution should be discrete, allow her to access and use the key
at any time that an emergency may come up, but I should know
on our next meeting when she has to produce the key for my
inspection.

-CB

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 1:35:14 AM

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You might want to check to see if there is someone in her area...perhaps even a Domme, who would be willing to be a KH in your stead. Then she doesn't have the key at all, but someone nearby does, in case of emergency.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 1:39:48 AM

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Sir: have You thought about a key on a ring she has to wear that can not be removed easily but in a time of need she would have to pull it off and then use it? or on a bracelet? just a few ideas from a slave who went through this years ago with her first R/L Master.

hopefully these ideas help some what......

take care and have a good night/day :)

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 8:06:16 AM

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I've always found that leaving it in a big plastic bowl of water and then tossing it in the freezer works. I also always add some really slight, unobservable trait to the bowl as well that I would be able to tell if it had been emptied and refilled in my absence. But it's an easy fix and takes a very conscious effort on their part to chip through or melt down all the ice. Also works if you know how to make candles to place it in the center of one, forcing a cut/melt technique as well.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 8:20:52 AM

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If its for an emergency, shouldn't it be put in an easily accessible place? Kind've like putting your only phone in a freezer and having to wait for it to thaw before calling 911. =D

I don't suppose you can acquire a chastity belt that only locks with a key, and has a safety latch on the device that requires no key? Once you unlocked it, you'd be unable to lock it again without aforementioned key.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 8:30:42 AM

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Instead of using a regular lock, use something like this.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 8:52:15 AM

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yes but this is a chastity device, not a pacemaker. Unless she has a known medical issue, which if so she shouldn't be playing like that regardless, I don't see anything that could occur that she couldn't wait the 1-2 minutes it takes to thaw out ice under hot water.

Another alternative is the breakaway locks like sfgrrl mentioned, just need to make sure she doesn't have access to them herself as it's easy to break/replace again unless you do something as insignificant and unoticable as a small black dot in the side corner to ensure it is the one you placed.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 9:05:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: afmvdp

yes but this is a chastity device, not a pacemaker. Unless she has a known medical issue, which if so she shouldn't be playing like that regardless, I don't see anything that could occur that she couldn't wait the 1-2 minutes it takes to thaw out ice under hot water.

This only works if you're always in the same physical location of said block of ice.

quote:

Another alternative is the breakaway locks like sfgrrl mentioned, just need to make sure she doesn't have access to them herself as it's easy to break/replace again unless you do something as insignificant and unoticable as a small black dot in the side corner to ensure it is the one you placed.

Most of these locks come pre-numbered, so all you would have to do is check the number to verify that no tampering had taken place.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 9:13:56 AM

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This is what I use on my boys Stef. It works great because in case of DIRE emergency, (I.e. car accident and the boy in question is somehow incapacitated and can't remove the device himself) someone can easily remove it because the lock is plastic. I record the serial number on it to make sure he hasn't gotten out. . .and they are VERY inexpensive.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 9:17:05 AM

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Correct...that really would only work well with house mates. When they are at work, I could see it being an issue.

Didn't see those were prenumbered...hmmm...might need to make a purchase.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 9:20:47 AM

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Well I can think of several things that might necessitate and emergancy. Such as bleeding, & infection. The mail chasity devices use plastic locks that are numbered that can be easily cut through if need be. Some use tie wraps that have a place to write on them with a sharpie. In Case of any emergency they can be cut through with a pair of sissors. However the sub could not replace it without the domme noticing the number of the lock is no good, or the signuture and date on the tie wrap lock is missing.

Just last week I confined my houseboy with the MCD chasity device that uses the tie wrap that I signed and dated. He had worn it before with no problem however this time around the 16th hour of being confined.. He awoke to seeing a blister of swelling (fluid) not erection at 4 a.m. We still don't know what caused it, however it required him removing it. (My guess is noctural erections caused it to slip) When he arrived the next morning, and promptly told me what happened and showed me the swelling and blister, which was still present, however he said it had greatly subsided. Well it was still swollen enough for me to warrent removal, I'm just glad that he was smart enough to do so at 4 am when he was awoken by the pain. I'm not into permanant damage of any kind.

Woman's body's require air, or infection can settle in, in addtion to hygienic factors, while some woman are as regular as clockwork their are a myriad of conditions that can cause a woman to bleed and require medical care.

As for keeping someone in chasity that you do not have a real time relationship with and are able to monitor yourself personally I see that as silly, and careless. ( I know I know.. to each his/her own).. but I think as a Dom/mes you have a responsibility to monitor and watch the subs health and well being, or else empower them to be able to make the descisions themselves. As for welding a key permanently to ones neck. I'm sorry but that is the most insane and irresponsible thing I have every heard of thus far.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 2:32:54 PM

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cariad-

Yes I did think of a key on a necklace that she would have to break to
remove, but in her work has public interaction and is seen by the public in a situation
where the key around her neck might be a problem. She could use the key
without removing it if it was on either a bracelet or an anklet.

Had she a different job I would just do the neck chain thing. Thanks!

steff-

Good idea on the plastic seals with serial numbers. I had thought about
a tiewrap with a place to write, but thought it might be too easy to fake.

Ms. Eden-

Welding or soldering the clasp of a small chain around the neck is no big deal.
I knew a guy in the navy that was so against being told to remove a religious
icon for physicals, and some of the PT stuff we did that he had the chain reduced
to small enough to not pass over his head, and then had the jewler silver solder
the end links of the chain. Next medical exam he got to keep his icon around
his neck.

So far as a CB for some one that is not a live in I do not see any real danger
or problem. The reason for her to be able to remove it is in case of some problem
when I am not available, like in a meeting with a client, out of town on business
or what ever. I will be in regular contact with her and able to examine her on
at least a weekly basis, probably more often. Yep it is my first venture into
use of such devices, but I have thought it out.

afmvdp-

Love the ice/candle idea, and may even do it with a candle at some point!

All-

I think I am going to start with just a plain old tiewrap and trust that she will tell
me if she cuts it off. I am a very handy guy and can do lots of different things
when it comes to woodwork, metalwork, and electrical things, but since this will
be my first CB I can concieve that it might take a little time to get the fit just right
so that she does not have any undue discomfort or chaffing or pinching.

When I am satisfied that all is working as desired I will move to the serial
numbered plastic locks!

Thanks for the great ideas and keep them comming. When I have the device
built I will post pictures. She should be getting a fitting sometime this week depending
on both of our work scheduales.

-CB

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 9:04:06 PM

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When all else fails, keep it simple.

Put the key in a well sealed envelope and mark the seals (sign it, wax it, whatever). She can carry the key in her purse for emergencies but if the seal is broken she's got some 'splainin' to do.

Or you could put the key in a matchbox and seal the matchbox with wax. mark the matchbox with your own marking, signature, what-have-you. If she's smart she'll put that matchbox in a baggy or a larger box that fits in her purse (a small jewelry box, for example) and keep it close by.

Why reinvent the wheel?

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/27/2004 11:46:34 PM

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I dismissed the envelope idea early on as too easy to steam open,
but did not think of using a wax seal on it. The matchbox with a
wax seal sounds even better and in the long run may be cheaper
than throw away numbered seals.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/28/2004 5:30:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: captainblack

I dismissed the envelope idea early on as too easy to steam open,
but did not think of using a wax seal on it. The matchbox with a
wax seal sounds even better and in the long run may be cheaper
than throw away numbered seals.

Sounds to me as if there is no Trust between you, and without trust a relationship, Especially a D/s one can't work.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/29/2004 2:26:34 PM

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I agree trust is important, but can understand that, to some, the very idea of really NOT being able to would be powerful.

Depending upon the nature of the device, a tiny (smaller than this) pcombination padlock could work. If it had a flat face like this one, you could use sealing wax to block the wheels (as obviously it'd only take so long to go through 1,000 combinations).

If you both have cell phones, no need for a key...

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/30/2004 1:19:04 PM

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Interesting...

i dont suppose the average person has a gunpowder scale laying around the house but they are pretty cheap like 30 40 bucks or so...

i would just fold the key in some paper (for easy key removal if needed), and then put a few layers of tape around the whole thing... When that is complete just weigh it... and write down what it is...

It will look extremely innocent and easy to defeat adding to fun since there would be a much greater temptation and your sub may think she could easily get away with something and just retape it without you knowing ;) and then put it in a match box and send it to her...

If she took so much as a tiny micro thin slice off the tape, less than the thickness of a hair it would immediately be seen by less weight... and busted!

Likewise if she tore it apart she would never know what the original weight was and if she guessed the chances of her having a scale that accurate is unlikely....

Few people know that scales with that sensitivity can be purchased so cheaply... and even less would think to go to a gun store to look for one... and as long as you keep it a secret she most likely will never catch on.

Marks by itself are fairly easy to dup, but you can always add marks on the paper in combination to weighing so that they also have to look untouched so that just in case she did catch on, getting both the marks and the weight and making it look the same as the original all at the same time would be very very difficult if nearly imposible i think....

That way it is fast to get the key out also as the paper would prevent the need to cut the tape from the key... and it would just fall out once torn open...

i think that would work well if you didnt mind the expense of scale...

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/31/2004 1:23:30 AM

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Great idea, and I just inherited some reloading equipment. Why didn't
I think of that one!

She is getting measured for her new toy tomorrow. It should not take long
to make the way I plan on doing it. Pix here when finished.

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RE: emergency cbelt key for sub - 10/31/2004 7:11:10 AM

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Hello,

Rather than sealing the key, perhaps you could seal the lock on the chastity belt with
a custom seal. Similar to the way documents in the 1800s were sealed with a
personalized wax seal.

Then you could verify that he/she had not removed it.

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