Padriag
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Yes this is what I pretty much had gathered. If I really want to dig into it, I would have to hit some psychology based references and figure out myself its application in our world (bdsm). I was hoping to find something where it already spoke from such an angle. It is obtainable, its just not obtainable in the way I wanted to find it--which was simplied and already written as it applies to bdsm. Damn it. I hate when I have to make extra effort.
Im not sure why you comment that it may be a good thing that the info is not readily available... Its not exactly voodoo. I like to believe its something like hypnosis, where you can only take a person there if they want to go there, and even when there , they arent going to do anything that they wouldnt normally do, or anything that goes against their belief system. But I can say from experience its a dangerous place to be in, because you walk this edge, this continual conflict within. Ive been in a place where what I believe to be the right thing, and what I know I *need* to do become 2 different things. Its a horrible feeling of incongruency, yet its so compelling at the same time. I have never personally gone over that line, but have felt like I had a couple of close calls, but managed to pull myself back. Its funny how even very smart people can sometimes be influenced when they let their walls down. Ive been in the hands of the best (or the worst) depending how you look at it. Its just an absolutely fascinating study to me.
Oh I have in my notes pretty much exactly what you're asking for. But I rarely share that information for a very good reason. Your wrong about it being like hypnosis. Behavior modification can take you anywhere the trainer wants to take you... and your consent, even your knowledge of it, isn't required. Assuming of course the trainer is sufficiently skilled.
In his book "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion", Dr Robert Cialdini examines the case of US servicemen taken prisoner by the Chinese and the phenomonal rate at which the Chinese were able to get these otherwise patriotic servicemen to turn traitor. How they did it was through a subtle form of behavior modification. By taking small steps, they were able to gradually get a surprising number of US service men to eventually give away strategic information, inform on other prisoners, reveal escape plans, and voluntarily write essays attacking and criticizing America. And they did this without using torture or coercion. In fact, how they did it was so remarkably subtle its frightening.
In one example they would simply begin by interviewing a US serviceman, and engage him in friendly conversation. During the conversation they would talk about China and some of its problems and solicit comments from the serviceman. Then, they would ask very innocently if America had such problems and get the serviceman to begin listing what he thought was wrong with America. Seems harmless enough, but this was just a first step in getting the serviceman to begin criticizing and later attacking America. Buy building on that in subsequent "interviews" they were able to gradually change the opinion of servicemen until eventually they were voluntarily attacking and betraying their country... whole heartedly. What is most insidious about it is that some of these former POWs continued in that behavior decades after the war was over and they had returned to America. Their hearts and minds still belonged to those Chinese "interviewers."
As you said yourself... you've had some close calls. Had that been with someone who better understood how to influence you, how to modify your behavior and who knows what might have happened. If you want an education in just how widespread influence techniques are employed I very much recommend Dr Cialdini's book. His book, btw, actually focuses on the techniques used by marketing departments to get consumers to buy all those things you really didn't want or need. You may never look at Wal Mart the same way again. You only think you bought that doo-dad on impulse.
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