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pghays04 -> Feminine side (3/21/2012 12:26:15 PM)

Hello Ladies,
I have never dated a submissive kind of woman so I don't know if you all feel the same as vanilla women about things like " a guy needs to be in touch with his feminine side" or "men should be more feminine". I never could understand why a straight woman would feel that way. Was it just all those wimmins magazines they read or something they can't help? Do submissive women feel that way too? *please say no*




JeffBC -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 12:33:59 PM)

On both the vanilla and kink side some women want a macho man and others a metrosexual and still others a woman and then there's the one's who want black guys and yellow guys and... well... you get the drift.

Out of curiosity, what exactly is this "feminine side" thingie you're so deathly afraid of? Me personally I can think of several admirable qualities that I normally associate more with women than men. I don't really see an issue wanting to have those qualities for myself. Then again, I'm also the guy who wore a thong for a thread here so my gender identity is clearly in peril.




OsideGirl -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 12:39:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pghays04
Was it just all those wimmins magazines they read or something they can't help?


Gee, the condescension is just charming....

In answer to your question, I happen to like men that don't feel that something "feminine" threatens their masculinity.




GreedyTop -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 12:41:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: pghays04
Was it just all those wimmins magazines they read or something they can't help?


Gee, the condescension is just charming....

In answer to your question, I happen to like men that don't feel that something "feminine" threatens their masculinity.




This




pghays04 -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 12:43:25 PM)

Hay Jeff,
They are always trying to get you to be "softer" and "share your feelings" and "it's OK to cry when you're hurt" general nonsense like that. What I would consider MY feminine side is what I'm looking for here so I can get in touch with her.




OsideGirl -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 12:45:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pghays04

They are always trying to get you to be "softer" and "share your feelings" and "it's OK to cry when you're hurt" general nonsense like that. What I would consider MY feminine side is what I'm looking for here so I can get in touch with her.


Yeah, God forbid you should share your feelings.




JeffBC -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 12:49:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pghays04
They are always trying to get you to be "softer" and "share your feelings" and "it's OK to cry when you're hurt" general nonsense like that. What I would consider MY feminine side is what I'm looking for here so I can get in touch with her.

Well, I think you're going to be in trouble then... and it has nothing to do with "wimmins magazines".

The "cry when you're hurt thing" is fine. You can or not as you see fit. Honestly, I seldom cry at physical pain -- largely because I just don't really care about it enough to give it that sort of attention. I cry during love stories though... I'm a total sap for a good love story.

On the "share your feelings" side that's going to be a problem for you. See, here's the issue. A relationship between two people involves them ... well ... relating. And for humans, an important part of how we relate is emotional. If you don't want to share your feelings, then you don't want to be in a relationship. At least, that's how I would view it and that's pretty much how most of the women I know would view it. Look at it this way... you got physical, emotional, and intellectual as the total ways to relate and you're dropping a full 33% of the spectrum out of the equation. That makes what you're offering 66% of a full relationship. Most women I know want something like 100%.

That being said, I am utterly sure that there is a partner out there for everyone... you included. It's just going to be a long search and what you get when you're done is going to be... well... 66% of a relationship LOL.




LunaM -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 12:55:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: pghays04
They are always trying to get you to be "softer" and "share your feelings" and "it's OK to cry when you're hurt" general nonsense like that. What I would consider MY feminine side is what I'm looking for here so I can get in touch with her.

Well, I think you're going to be in trouble then... and it has nothing to do with "wimmins magazines".

The "cry when you're hurt thing" is fine. You can or not as you see fit. Honestly, I seldom cry at physical pain -- largely because I just don't really care about it enough to give it that sort of attention. I cry during love stories though... I'm a total sap for a good love story.

On the "share your feelings" side that's going to be a problem for you. See, here's the issue. A relationship between two people involves them ... well ... relating. And for humans, an important part of how we relate is emotional. If you don't want to share your feelings, then you don't want to be in a relationship. At least, that's how I would view it and that's pretty much how most of the women I know would view it. Look at it this way... you got physical, emotional, and intellectual as the total ways to relate and you're dropping a full 33% of the spectrum out of the equation. That makes what you're offering 66% of a full relationship. Most women I know want something like 100%.

That being said, I am utterly sure that there is a partner out there for everyone... you included. It's just going to be a long search and what you get when you're done is going to be... well... 66% of a relationship LOL.




Jeff, I am about to say something that's going to shock you.
I agree with you.




CaptJosh -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 1:03:59 PM)

Ok, crying when you're hurt is not weak. It's one thing to not cry over a minor injury. Nonetheless, real men know when it's time to cry and do so without reservation. IMO, anyone who says that "men don't cry" needs deprogrammed from some serious BS and/or to mature a great deal.
My dad recently died, a little over two weeks ago, in fact. Once I got home and away from everyone who was there, I broke down. I spent the better part of a day crying off and on. And I still am moved to tears at times, because I miss him dearly. Thank God I have my pet to help me and comfort me. She is a wonderful source of strength.

So I reiterate, being in touch with your emotions does not make you less than a man. Then again, how many human males actually mature above the emotional age of a 12 year old? And of those, how many make it past about 16 emotionally?

EDIT: Yes, I know I'm not a sub. Nonetheless, I had to reply to the OP because the premise is just so damn stupid




littlewonder -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 1:05:38 PM)

I like a guy who can share his feelings, who isn't ashamed to cry, one who doesn't feel like has has to be some kind of version of "machismo". If that means he's in touch with his "feminine side" so be it. I just see it as him being himself and not concerned with what everyone else thinks about him.

It's the biggest thing that attracted me to Master...he shares himself with me, he talks to me, he shares himself, he shows me his sadness, anger, compassion, happiness and joy. I like that he's a well rounded man.




LunaM -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 1:19:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I like a guy who can share his feelings, who isn't ashamed to cry, one who doesn't feel like has has to be some kind of version of "machismo". If that means he's in touch with his "feminine side" so be it. I just see it as him being himself and not concerned with what everyone else thinks about him.

It's the biggest thing that attracted me to Master...he shares himself with me, he talks to me, he shares himself, he shows me his sadness, anger, compassion, happiness and joy. I like that he's a well rounded man.


This.

ETA
OP
Maybe what you see as feminine really isn't feminine at all. Emotions are useful, in my opinion, to show us that there is a contradiction in ourselves that we need to address with our logic. It doesn't mean you have to cry whenever you stub your toe but a significant other would like to know if something bothers you or what you think about topics. This is communication and in my opinion, fundamental in a relationship.
Crying from emotional pain, such as the loss that Josh described, is a way to work through something which crying is a part of life. No you don't have to cry at every little thing, some do and that's fine. The point is, feelings thoughts and anything else personal is encouraged to be shared for the promotion of growth in a relationship.




OsideGirl -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 1:26:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder
It's the biggest thing that attracted me to Master...he shares himself with me, he talks to me, he shares himself, he shows me his sadness, anger, compassion, happiness and joy. I like that he's a well rounded man.


This!

If you're somehow hoping that being emotionally stunted or misogynistic will be embraced by the D/s -BDSM crowd, you're mistaken.

D/s BDSM relationships aren't much different than relationships in the vanilla world. We just have more clearly defined roles.




pghays04 -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 1:28:28 PM)

Well, most of you who have posted I have read a lot from other threads and you have made sense before. So maybe some of us really are meant to be sojourners.




pghays04 -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 1:41:05 PM)

OsideGirl, NO NO NO I love women! This was a question about how they feel, not whether they should be loved.




LaTigresse -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 1:57:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pghays04

Hay Jeff,
They are always trying to get you to be "softer" and "share your feelings" and "it's OK to cry when you're hurt" general nonsense like that. What I would consider MY feminine side is what I'm looking for here so I can get in touch with her.


Actually......your posts on this thread are what makes you appear weak.

Which has fuck all to do with being feminine.




OsideGirl -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 1:59:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: pghays04

OsideGirl, NO NO NO I love women! This was a question about how they feel, not whether they should be loved.
Then why the condescension?

quote:

Was it just all those wimmins magazines they read or something they can't help?




lizi -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 2:07:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pghays04

Hello Ladies,
I have never dated a submissive kind of woman so I don't know if you all feel the same as vanilla women about things like " a guy needs to be in touch with his feminine side" or "men should be more feminine". I never could understand why a straight woman would feel that way. Was it just all those wimmins magazines they read or something they can't help? Do submissive women feel that way too? *please say no*


"All those wimmins magazines they read"....? The patronizing air of that statement was breathtaking. You come in to ask a question of the "ladies" and then paint them as sitting around forming opinions of men through magazines and through things they "can't help"- can you see the issue here? It's as though we're too silly to form opinions of the other sex through carefully considered reasoning and life experience, so we must have got those opinions through fluffy articles read on a beach while eating bon-bons. Saying we can't help how we feel makes it sound so trivial and emotional. I'll give you some free advice here, feel free to discount it, most women are not going to be receptive to having someone hand down the pronouncement that they are emotionally out of control, trivial, or at the mercy of our feelings. Painting us as brainless, hormonal, creatures that can't help themselves, so we adopt any new fad way of thinking, isn't going to ever win you adoration from a woman. We've heard that crap all of our lives, and I for one am heartily sick of it. I form my opinions through an intellectual process, not a magazine article.

That being said and the manner of how you asked the question aside...
It's not as cut and dry and you're trying to make it with submissive women and vanilla women wanting certain types of behavior from their partner. It's more like every woman is different and different things work for different people regardless of their sexual orientation or not.

I can only speak for myself, I don't want a feminine man. I love men for the creatures that they are, they dont' need to be more like me to please me, I like them as being different from me. I like men for their directness, their problem-solving, their luscious manly scent, the way that they look different and feel different. I like seeing their minds travel different paths then mine does, I love seeing their priorities and take on a situation. Men are amazing. To me, they need to be a man. If a man has emotional openness as part of his makeup he's still a man to me and a desirable one as I'd consider that to be a healthy, manly, quality.

I do need common ground with my man. We still need to be able to connect in order to have a relationship. I do love communication with my man, whether that is feminine or not I dont know but I have to have it. I cannot be in a relationship that has poor communication or none. Especially with D/s being thrown into the mix, as a submissive woman the need for communication rises to me, it doesn't decline.

My man has cried in front of me once, I felt honored that he trusted me that much. If he were to do it again it wouldn't faze me but it isn't something I seek - having men cry. If they do fine.

My Dominant is kind, considerate, tells me how he feels about me regularly, compliments me, lets me know when he misses me, calls me to sing songs to me, brings me small thoughtful gifts, rubs my back, calls me by endearments, brings snacks and drinks for me when we're off on an adventure somewhere, plans carefully to give me new experiences out in the world, asks me if I need help with my schoolwork, keeps his hair parted on the side because I like it better, brings me dirty, smelly, tshirts because I love to keep them in bed with me when he's not there, and shares with me how lucky he feels to have me around.

He also beats my ass, calls the shots on what we're doing in small things and big, thinks a polo shirt is 'dressing up', has me research the strangest things for him, mumbles constantly- I can't hear half of what he says, is entirely inflexible in some opinions, never seems to have a brush- uses mine instead, forgets to plan bathroom breaks when we're out and makes impatient faces if I have to go, asks me sports questions thinking I'll know what he's talking about, thinks a fine way to spend a few hours is to watch a sports game of some type, 'surprises' me with tickets to a sporting event (oh joy), and when he gets lost in the car wont' ask for directions- he always thinks he knows where he's going.

Is he feminine or masculine? I don't know, but I'd call him perfect...for me. As a submissive woman, his blend of qualities makes me admire and respect him.




OttersSwim -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 2:10:15 PM)

Feminine Side - I have one. I feel female. I look dynamite in a skirt.

Emotional Availability - It is a human trait, not just for women and Hugh Grant.

Emotional Expression - Again a human trait. Boy's don't cry is bullshit.

Emotional Intelligence - Ah now there is the rub...




WestBaySlave -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 2:24:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pghays04

Hello Ladies,
I have never dated a submissive kind of woman so I don't know if you all feel the same as vanilla women about things like " a guy needs to be in touch with his feminine side" or "men should be more feminine". I never could understand why a straight woman would feel that way. Was it just all those wimmins magazines they read or something they can't help? Do submissive women feel that way too? *please say no*


No. But your legs need to look at least this good in a miniskirt. [;)]

I'd recommend not generalizing about women, and look for a woman that meets your personal needs. There are enough people in world that if you ask if "Is there a woman who..." the answer will be yes to almost any conceivable ending to that sentence. The trick is finding her.




pghays04 -> RE: Feminine side (3/21/2012 2:41:57 PM)

Hay Lizi,
I can see how I blew it in wording my question. No intention of insulting anyone. Sans the bon-bons, I couldn't count the number of times a girl I was dating would come to me with a relationship test from a magazine to find out if we were compatible or our relationship needed to be fixed. Maybe in the 30 years since I was single things have changed. But if I have to hear another quote or another relationship quiz from a magazine, well good grief.

I can only speak for myself, I don't want a feminine man. I love men for the creatures that they are, they dont' need to be more like me to please me, I like them as being different from me. I like men for their directness, their problem-solving, their luscious manly scent, the way that they look different and feel different. I like seeing their minds travel different paths then mine does, I love seeing their priorities and take on a situation. Men are amazing. To me, they need to be a man. If a man has emotional openness as part of his makeup he's still a man to me and a desirable one as I'd consider that to be a healthy, manly, quality.

That paragraph is how I would want a woman to feel. It's just backwards to what I have dealt with.




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