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An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 7:27:10 AM   
LaTigresse


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I am always fascinated by human behaviour. So I found this article interesting and wanted to share.

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 7:38:01 AM   
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The loyalty quality would explain why the right ran off the cliff along w/ bush/chaney when they jumped off the cliff.


It would explain why they still defend those two.Certainly isn`t because the torture/treasonists have a defence.....but that doesn`t stop them.


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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 7:46:19 AM   
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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 8:12:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are welcome. A week or so ago they had another article that was really awesome.

I've always wondered why people vote for politicians that are pro policy that actually hurt them......example: many people that are pro our latest crop of republicans actually need and use government programmes that the politicians wish to get rid of.

The article explained the tribe mentality of our evolution. All someone has to do is hit on a few key emotional/moral issues, then combine that with others buying into the same schtick, and individuals will blindly follow along, ignoring all signs that would tell them it's a bad idea, EVEN FACTUAL EVIDENCE, to maintain peace within their 'tribe'. Defend the tribe think, even when it is blatantly wrong. It is an evolutionary survival instinct.

It was a fascinating look into the human psyche.

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 8:59:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw this article in a completely different way. I saw the author understanding that common issues such as charity…religion…and loyalty were close to the hearts of both liberals and conservatives but that solutions, virtues, and actions, concerning these issues were different between groups.

I also understood him to say that he thought conservatives were more likely to see both sides of a solution where liberals could not. I find that to be true on these boards. As a centralists I find conservatives more likely to understand my views, even if they don’t agree, than liberals.

I don’t claim my views on this subject to be right or wrong just a personal experience that matches the authors.

Butch

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 9:39:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think I may be confusing you with my comments on this thread, about another article I read a few weeks ago that I cannot find a link to.

I saw this article similarly to what you've described. Although I do not agree that 'most' conservatives, at least on here, can see the liberal points of view.

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 9:42:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		As I read this, I found myself thinking about a bunch of things, but one stuck out. During one of the many GOP debates I recall some discussion about an idea dealing with...I think...Medicare. During the discussion, Ron Paul, whom I realize is not exactly the poster child of many on the Right, said...as I recall...that he'd do away with it. When pressed, he said he didn't think it was the job of the government. Okay, I can accept that position, even if I don't agree. Then, when pressed further, he said he "hoped" that people and charities would pick up the slack for folks who simply couldn't get health insurance.

I'm not sure how to take that, especially considering it's coming from a doctor. In one sense, he's saying that if we all had more money, we could give more to charity. But, on the other hand, he's basically saying "Gee, I have no idea but I hope somebody would step up." As a society, we should be judged by how we treat and care for each other, and this really doesn't cut it.

As a "hated Liberal" I think I can understand the "conservative" viewpoint fairly well. However, when they start mixing religion into it, I have no interest in trying to understand. I think this pretty much says it best.






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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 10:01:14 AM   
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Although I do not agree that 'most' conservatives, at least on here, can see the liberal points of view.


Let me put it a different way...When I state a view that is more conservative then the liberal view but more liberal then a conservative view I am often grilled, branded and railed against by liberals on these boards as a religious, uncaring neo-con. I hear little from conservatives even though they also do not agree with me.

Now this is not always the case but in general I have found it to be true.

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 12:36:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking about human nature..
A few months ago i read an article that reported on a study about the poor, the rich and taxes..
The Economist did a study recently to find out how lower-middle and lower class Americans think about money and the economy, in order to better understand how and why the vote the way they do..

http://www.economist.com/node/21525851

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 1:19:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The presentation of American politics as a competition between liberals and conservatives is misleading. Are people who vote Democrat liberals, and who tend to vote Republican conservatives? The largest group is actually independents; who are they? In addition, there is an under-estimated group of libertarians. As the presidential election is concerned, it is not about ideology, it is about which member of the power elite will be installed. The ideological game around it is just for useful idiots. 

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 1:40:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

The presentation of American politics as a competition between liberals and conservatives is misleading. Are people who vote Democrat liberals, and who tend to vote Republican conservatives? The largest group is actually independents; who are they? In addition, there is an under-estimated group of libertarians. As the presidential election is concerned, it is not about ideology, it is about which member of the power elite will be installed. The ideological game around it is just for useful idiots. 


In addition, you can be a mix of both. I tend to be a fiscal conservative (to a point) but a social liberal. Actually I don't think I'm all that weird with that combination, but then I'm probably the worst possible person to make such a judgement. In US politics, the general rule of thumb for any candidate is that there are 40% of the votes you can never get, and 40% of the votes you can never lose, so you're just battling for the 20% in the middle. Given the war against women right now I suspect those numbers may not be quite accurate, but close enough for generalizations.

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 4:57:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/opinion/kristof-politics-odors-and-soap.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120322



Thank you for that.

"At Cornell University, students answered questions in more conservative ways when they were simply near a hand sanitizer station."


I was wondering what a hand sanitizer was doing in the voting booth last few times I went.

Seriously though, the 'startle factor' thing linked in the article intrigues me.

I seem to be always backwards in everything, but my congenital overly-acute hearing and my generally ping pong brain conduce to my being predisposed to having a bit more startle response than most, hence more conservatively inclined according to the article. But perhaps the game changer is that I did not find that level of response to be acceptable, and I made conscious effort to overcome the issue itself, rather than rely on government crackdown of whatever sort or some weapon to deal with the issue that way.

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 5:36:53 PM   
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This is the second time this week that I've heard about Haidt's book. The other reference was on a conservative Episcopal blog, interestingly enough. I checked it out on Amazon, and it seems fascinating.

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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 7:07:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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This is the second time this week that I've heard about Haidt's book. The other reference was on a conservative Episcopal blog, interestingly enough. I checked it out on Amazon, and it seems fascinating.
I think there's a Haidt talk link on the "TED" thread in Odd-topic.


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RE: An interesting article from the NYTimes this morning. - 3/22/2012 7:10:50 PM   
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I think there's a Haidt talk link on the "TED" thread in Odd-topic.

Here ya go...

Jonathan Haidt on the moral roots of liberals and conservatives

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