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Owner59 -> Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/23/2012 8:38:12 PM)

The Wild Wild West......





http://news.yahoo.com/man-lives-tell-florida-shoot-first-horror-221208724.html





MIAMI (Reuters) - On June 5, 2006, not long after Florida enacted the first "Stand Your Ground" law in the United States, unarmed Jason Rosenbloom was shot in the stomach and chest by his next-door neighbor after a shouting match over trash.

Exactly what happened that day in Clearwater, Florida, is still open to dispute. Kenneth Allen, a retired police officer, said he shot Rosenbloom because he was trying to storm into his house.

Rosenbloom told Reuters in a telephone interview this week he never tried to enter the house and was in Allen's yard, about 10 feet from his front door, when he was shot moments after he put his hands up.

Now living in Hawaii, Rosenbloom said he had been unaware of the growing outrage over last month's shooting in Sanford, Florida, of an unarmed black teenager by a neighborhood watch captain.

Trayvon Martin, 17, was shot by George Zimmerman on February 26 while walking back to the house where he was staying with his father in a gated community. Sanford police have not arrested Zimmerman, largely because Stand Your Ground requires them, without clear evidence of malice and in the absence of eyewitness testimony to the contrary, to accept Zimmerman's argument he was acting in self-defense.

Allen was not arrested in the shooting of Rosenbloom. Sergeant Tom Nestor of the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said Allen was found to have acted in self-defense when he pumped two rounds into Rosenbloom with his 9mm semi-automatic pistol.

"He meant for me to be dead and he never called 911," said Rosenbloom, 36, adding that Allen, now 65, bent over him and using an expletive, warned him not to tangle "with an ex-cop" as he lay bleeding on the ground.

"The police closed it on his words alone," said Rosenbloom, explaining how the case that began with a complaint about him leaving eight trash bags on the curb instead of the regulation six, was closed after what he described as only a summary investigation.

"They made me the bad guy," he added.




Fightdirecto -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/23/2012 9:19:36 PM)

WCTV News
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Prosecutor John Hutchins says Tashawnbie Gay and a man named Chris Harvey had a previous disagreement and on the night of March 29, 2009 Harvey challenged Gay to a fist fight in the Circle K parking lot.

Prosecutors contend Gay lifted his shirt to reveal a gun in his waistband. Harvey and his friend Earl Jackson started to back away, but that's when the shooting started.
Prosecutors say Gay was shooting in their direction.

Prosecutors say there were at least 32 bullets fired that night from eight different guns.

Gay's attorney Greg Cummings says his defense is self defense. He claims Gay did not fire the first shot but feared for his life and pulled out his gun afterward. Cummings says Gay then turned and ran and was shot in the buttocks as he retreated.


Members of two rival gangs have a shoot-out - and because of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, the surviving shooter gets to claim "self-defense"?




Kirata -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/23/2012 9:59:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The Wild Wild West......

Fucking get real. Florida's firearms death rate ranks 24th in the nation. Additionally:

776.012 Use of force in defense of person -- A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

Thank you for your time.

K.




Owner59 -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/23/2012 10:40:14 PM)

Maybe in Florida there.....you should break down those stats into punished shootings/murders and un-punished shootings/murders.....yes?




DarqueMirror -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/23/2012 11:06:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Members of two rival gangs have a shoot-out - and because of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, the surviving shooter gets to claim "self-defense"?


Since gang members are not legally allowed to carry firearms, I'd guess not.




Owner59 -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/23/2012 11:22:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Members of two rival gangs have a shoot-out - and because of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, the surviving shooter gets to claim "self-defense"?


Since gang members are not legally allowed to carry firearms, I'd guess not.

I thought you guys were all about gun rights and "the 2nd" and all........[8|]




erieangel -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/24/2012 12:25:01 AM)

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Florida's firearms death rate ranks 24th in the nation.


In other words, half the country has more firearms deaths, half less.

Well, somebody's gotta be in the middle.





Musicmystery -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/24/2012 12:26:21 AM)

20th as of Jan. 2011; not sure when Kirata's data is from (might be more recent).




DarqueMirror -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/24/2012 1:07:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I thought you guys were all about gun rights and "the 2nd" and all........[8|]


Us guys? Not sure what that means, but it's common knowledge that convictions, especially felonies, result in one not being allowed to carry or even own a firearm.




joether -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/24/2012 3:47:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
The Wild Wild West......

Fucking get real. Florida's firearms death rate ranks 24th in the nation. Additionally:

776.012 Use of force in defense of person -- A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

Thank you for your time.

K.



You almost got the right page for the discussion, Kirata! Gun Violence by State.




Musicmystery -> RE: Man lives to tell of Florida "Shoot First" horror (3/24/2012 6:15:21 AM)

That data is from 2010.




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