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Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 4:47:52 AM

farglebargle

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Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night to get a snack during the halftime break of the game because his step-mother doesn't keep junk food in the house. He buys something to eat and an iced tea, and starts walking home...
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Then he gets shot dead.

Can someone help me connect the dots there?

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 5:38:54 AM

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Can someone help me connect the dots there?

Nobody can help you, period.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 5:52:42 AM

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/trayvon-martin-case-timeline-of-events/

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 6:13:27 AM

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If I had a son, he would not look like Travon.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 7:14:08 AM

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April 10th someone will be able to help you connect the dots. If they haven't got grounds to arrest Zimmerman by then, there is supposed to be a hearing to decide what they are going to do about the case.

For the last 30 days the media has only been telling one side of the story and getting a lot of folks upset about how this poor defenseless kid got shot by the racist. It's only been in the last couple of days that we've been starting to hear Zimmerman's story.

The innocent kid may not have been as innocent as everyone has been led to believe. Unless they decide to arrest him before the 10th, we'll just have to wait to find out what's going on.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 7:18:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

April 10th someone will be able to help you connect the dots. If they haven't got grounds to arrest Zimmerman by then, there is supposed to be a hearing to decide what they are going to do about the case.

For the last 30 days the media has only been telling one side of the story and getting a lot of folks upset about how this poor defenseless kid got shot by the racist. It's only been in the last couple of days that we've been starting to hear Zimmerman's story.

The innocent kid may not have been as innocent as everyone has been led to believe. Unless they decide to arrest him before the 10th, we'll just have to wait to find out what's going on.

-SD-

I'm just curious as to why the SPD violated their own SOP in the case and whether the fact that Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge had anything to do with it.

Had they followed their own Standard procedures, I don't feel this debate would exist.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 7:24:42 AM

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If I had a son, he would not look like Travon.

If I had a son that looked like Trayvon Martin, my lady and I would need to have a serious discussion. LOL

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 7:32:23 AM

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If I had a son, he would not look like Travon.

If I had a son that looked like Trayvon Martin, my lady and I would need to have a serious discussion. LOL

Peace and comfort,

Michael

Hey.....a little child murder humor.........ha.......ha.......ha.......

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 7:50:23 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

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April 10th someone will be able to help you connect the dots. If they haven't got grounds to arrest Zimmerman by then, there is supposed to be a hearing to decide what they are going to do about the case.

For the last 30 days the media has only been telling one side of the story and getting a lot of folks upset about how this poor defenseless kid got shot by the racist. It's only been in the last couple of days that we've been starting to hear Zimmerman's story.

The innocent kid may not have been as innocent as everyone has been led to believe. Unless they decide to arrest him before the 10th, we'll just have to wait to find out what's going on.

-SD-

I'm just curious as to why the SPD violated their own SOP in the case and whether the fact that Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge had anything to do with it.

Had they followed their own Standard procedures, I don't feel this debate would exist.

Okay. That reasoning works for about the first 24 hours or so. But no one has been talking about Zimmermans side of the story. Whatever the public is not being told about this is enough that the SPD was told by the prosecuters not to arrest Zimmerman. The court doesn't think they can prosecute him based on the evidence they have. Apparently they have some reason for thinking they would lose in court.

It's not even being handled locally anymore, and Zimmerman has still not been charged. Obviously, the state of Florida knows something we don't. Now, it could be that they are going to pull out all the stops and really make sure they have a case before they arrest him, but if they are going to go through all of that aggrivation over a single murder just to appease the masses on what has been portrayed as a cut-and-dried legal case of murder in the 1st, then Zimmermans defense is probably much better than you think.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 7:53:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

April 10th someone will be able to help you connect the dots. If they haven't got grounds to arrest Zimmerman by then, there is supposed to be a hearing to decide what they are going to do about the case.

For the last 30 days the media has only been telling one side of the story and getting a lot of folks upset about how this poor defenseless kid got shot by the racist. It's only been in the last couple of days that we've been starting to hear Zimmerman's story.

The innocent kid may not have been as innocent as everyone has been led to believe. Unless they decide to arrest him before the 10th, we'll just have to wait to find out what's going on.

-SD-

I'm just curious as to why the SPD violated their own SOP in the case and whether the fact that Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge had anything to do with it.

Had they followed their own Standard procedures, I don't feel this debate would exist.

Okay. That reasoning works for about the first 24 hours or so. But no one has been talking about Zimmermans side of the story.

And Florida Criminal Procedure Law is clear. They HAVE the elements of manslaughter, ADMITTED by Zimmerman.

He can tell his story to the Judge at arraignment. That's when pretrial motions for dismissal for self-defense are entertained.

Maybe you should ask yourself, what's up with Sanford PD that they appear to have gone out of their way to commit a conspiracy to obstruct justice, and then you'll discount EVERYTHING THEY SAY.

If you begin with "The Sanford PD is trustworthy", you're doing it wrong.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 8:02:05 AM

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Whatever the public is not being told about this is enough that the SPD was told by the prosecuters not to arrest Zimmerman. The court doesn't think they can prosecute him based on the evidence they have. Apparently they have some reason for thinking they would lose in court.

They weren't told by anyone that night not to arrest him.

They weren't told to violate SOP by not giving Zimmerman tests for drugs and alcohol. One of the statements about the 911 tapes is that "zimmerman was slurring his words". I would take that with a heavy dose of "Consider the source" though.

They weren't told to violate SOP by not impounding the car and several other things.

Wanna bet they WERE told (or already knew) that Zimmerman's old man is a retired judge?

Seriously. If I were in a situation and killed someone, even if they still had a gun in their hand, an arrest record a mile long and I had powderburns on my rib cage from a near miss, I'd expect to be detained, questioned and tested. It's part of what you agree to when you sign up for that Concealed Carry permit.

Unlike Zimmerman, I DO have a totally clean record.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 8:10:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

April 10th someone will be able to help you connect the dots. If they haven't got grounds to arrest Zimmerman by then, there is supposed to be a hearing to decide what they are going to do about the case.

For the last 30 days the media has only been telling one side of the story and getting a lot of folks upset about how this poor defenseless kid got shot by the racist. It's only been in the last couple of days that we've been starting to hear Zimmerman's story.

The innocent kid may not have been as innocent as everyone has been led to believe. Unless they decide to arrest him before the 10th, we'll just have to wait to find out what's going on.

-SD-

I'm just curious as to why the SPD violated their own SOP in the case and whether the fact that Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge had anything to do with it.

Had they followed their own Standard procedures, I don't feel this debate would exist.

Okay. That reasoning works for about the first 24 hours or so. But no one has been talking about Zimmermans side of the story.

And Florida Criminal Procedure Law is clear. They HAVE the elements of manslaughter, ADMITTED by Zimmerman.

He can tell his story to the Judge at arraignment. That's when pretrial motions for dismissal for self-defense are entertained.

Maybe you should ask yourself, what's up with Sanford PD that they appear to have gone out of their way to commit a conspiracy to obstruct justice, and then you'll discount EVERYTHING THEY SAY.

If you begin with "The Sanford PD is trustworthy", you're doing it wrong.

Again... this has moved beyond SPD. Zimmerman is still free. SPD and Zimmermans daddy have nothing to do with this anymore. We've moved beyong their influence in this. As you say, they can try for a conviction of manslaughter. In order to get a conviction for manslaughter the state of Florida has to charge him with something.

Mysteriously, they have not decided to do that yet.

Frankly, I think think if you're still stuck on "George Zimmerman is guilty, guilty, guilty" without waiting to find out exactly why he hasn't been charged; then you're doing it wrong.

-SD-

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 8:23:12 AM

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Whatever the public is not being told about this is enough that the SPD was told by the prosecuters not to arrest Zimmerman. The court doesn't think they can prosecute him based on the evidence they have. Apparently they have some reason for thinking they would lose in court.

They weren't told by anyone that night not to arrest him.

They weren't told to violate SOP by not giving Zimmerman tests for drugs and alcohol. One of the statements about the 911 tapes is that "zimmerman was slurring his words". I would take that with a heavy dose of "Consider the source" though.

They weren't told to violate SOP by not impounding the car and several other things.

Wanna bet they WERE told (or already knew) that Zimmerman's old man is a retired judge?

Seriously. If I were in a situation and killed someone, even if they still had a gun in their hand, an arrest record a mile long and I had powderburns on my rib cage from a near miss, I'd expect to be detained, questioned and tested. It's part of what you agree to when you sign up for that Concealed Carry permit.

Unlike Zimmerman, I DO have a totally clean record.

Those are perfectly legitimate questions actually. Unfortunately, they don't have shit to do with anything at this point.

They could have charged and arrested him at ANY time after the night of the shooting. In point of fact they were told by the prosecuters office about a week after the shooing not to charge him. If you don't believe me, look into it.

But you're right. They did release him the night of. I think it's perfectly understandable to think thats a bit odd. But this happened what... a month ago?

If in all that time they have not charged him with a crime, then there is obviously something the public does not know. The fact that the STATE has not charged him means that there is something that the public does not know. As I said before, they may be being overly cautious and building their case with an extreme attention to detail because of the media circus. The point is that we don't know.

Now, you may not have a record. I don't know and I don't care if you do or not. YOU and YOUR police record have no more bearing on this than whether or not if Obama had a son he would look like Travon Martin.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 8:25:37 AM

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Pretty much sums up the present situation.

I`m not anti-police but I`m virulently anti-police-incompetence.

There were witnesses who never got interviewed and evidence neglected or un-collected.

And there`s no doubt that this police dept. or part of it fucked up more than once,as evidenced by the chief of police resigning.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 8:29:44 AM

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I am all for free speech but there is a point where this is nothing more than spamming the board

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 8:48:27 AM

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Yeah, I have to agree. Did we really need yet another thread on the same topic?

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 9:03:53 AM

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And Florida Criminal Procedure Law is clear. They HAVE the elements of manslaughter, ADMITTED by Zimmerman.

He can tell his story to the Judge at arraignment. That's when pretrial motions for dismissal for self-defense are entertained.

Maybe you should ask yourself, what's up with Sanford PD that they appear to have gone out of their way to commit a conspiracy to obstruct justice, and then you'll discount EVERYTHING THEY SAY.

If you begin with "The Sanford PD is trustworthy", you're doing it wrong.

The 2011 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE View Entire Chapter

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
History.—s. 4, ch. 2005-27.

Only a fucking idiot would continue to run off at the mouth while ignorant of the Law!

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 9:41:11 AM

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Can someone help me connect the dots there?

Yes.

I think that he was shot because he was crazy.

Craziness often is hereditary. I submit that any parents that name one of their children 'Trayvon' - just about the most ugly name this side of the Universe - are certifiably crazy. Hence it is quite likely that the son inherited the craziness allele from either or both of his parents.

If so, both the population as well as the gene pool have benefited from his death.

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 9:49:22 AM

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RE: Trayvon Martin goes to the candy store one night.... - 3/26/2012 9:51:55 AM

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I'm just curious as to why the SPD violated their own SOP in the case and whether the fact that Zimmerman's dad is a retired judge had anything to do with it.

Had they followed their own Standard procedures, I don't feel this debate would exist.

I dunno.. I read this article about the first on the scene officer.. so who knows at this point..

"Sergeant Anthony Raimondo, the patrol officer who was initially in charge of the scene on the night Trayvon Martin was killed, was also involved in an alleged police cover-up in 2010.
Currently, "Raimondo has three validated complaints and another one pending," WFTV reported on March 16, 2012.

"http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-case-anthony-raimondo-first-officer-in-charge-of-scene-involved-in-previous-cover-up.php#46821243

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