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Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (incl.... - 3/27/2012 5:05:18 PM   
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For those who are Anti-Family-Planning, do you think the Pro-Family Planner's demand for UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (incl. abortion ) is too extreme?

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/27/2012 7:08:31 PM   
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Well of course not, not if it means women getting to make their own choices about their own bodies, don't be stupid.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 11:37:02 AM   
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I go one further.

If a woman or family is on assistance and has at least 2 children, I'd say make family planning not only free but MANDATORY. That's right kiddies. You heard it right here first. I'd a lot rather my tax dollars pay for a coupla gyn visits a year and free norplants than to pay for the feeding and education of the brats that some bint squirts out every 10 months.

If they want to claim I'm stepping on their religious freedom, then let them get OFF assistance and The Church can pay for the care, feeding and schooling of "God's Gift".

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 11:39:51 AM   
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No shit. Especially since they don't want to be told they have to have health insurance to cover the care and delivery of their precious little gift.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 11:41:21 AM   
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Another ditto here.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 11:44:00 AM   
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Not if they're privately funded, if you want to pay for it, murder all the babies you want.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 11:44:56 AM   
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Are you willing to feed these babies? Do you want to raise them?

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 11:46:48 AM   
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I can't figure out what you're trying to say rob. If what is privately funded?

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 3:05:18 PM   
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I can't figure out what you're trying to say rob. If what is privately funded?


I think he's suffering from the misunderstanding that government money goes to pay for abortions.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 3:18:06 PM   
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Are you willing to feed these babies? Do you want to raise them?


I donate my share of time and money to help out those less fortunate than myself... How about you?

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 3:19:46 PM   
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I've said it before. I fully support a womans right to kill their unborn children, and encourage liberal women to actively demand the right to administer post-birth abortions of their spawn well into the teens as long as they can provide a Democratic voter ID or simply claim to be Marxist, Socialist, or Communists..

If I could just get Conservatives on board with this, you'll eventually just kill yourselves off and everyone's happy. This is what I like to call a "win/win scenario. You get to engage in free-range infanticide, and in 40-50 years actual thinking people won't have to hear your continual blathering on the subject.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 3:21:38 PM   
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I can't figure out what you're trying to say rob. If what is privately funded?


I think he's suffering from the misunderstanding that government money goes to pay for abortions.



No I wasn't, but nice try. I have no problem with Planned Parenthood, my problem is the government funding Planned Parenthood. If a private foundation wants to fund Planned Parenthood, to give everyone unfettered access to family planning, I'm all for it.

And yes, I'm against subsidies, and tax breaks too.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 3:30:03 PM   
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What's wrong with the government supporting family planning services.



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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 4:59:12 PM   
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There's nothing wrong with it. In fact the government DOES support family planning by providing literature that discusses abstinance, contraception, and health care literature for expectant mothers. It also provides aid for poor people who cannot afford proper health care for an unborn child, and food subsidies for mothers.

The primary issue with abortion is this: If you have the choice to concieve, and the choice to either carry a child to term or terminate it's life then you should also be expected to abide by your own choices. They are individual choices that you yourself made, not the government. Since the government represents the people, what you are really saying is that you want everyone in the country to share the responsibility of your decision without allowing them to disagree or protest.

Another problem though is this. If a private citizen claims they have right to anything, then it is any other citizens right to have access to their private information concerning that "anything". It's called Freedom of Information. That means that if some woman gets an abortion paid for by the government, then her medical records surrounding that abortion are publicly accessable because any private citizen can hold the government financially accountable through FoA.

There are some concerns about the government having the right to legislate an activity it is paying for that I doubt you would understand, but I'll try. If the government is paying for it, they get to choose what services they will pay for, how those services will be administered, what proceedures will be used, and ultimately they have the right to mandate the activity itself. In short, by allowing the government into a womans womb, it is a short road to controlling a womans actual ability to reproduce. Ie: The government pays for abortions and the cost becomes untennable. The next step is to legislate that any woman who has multiple abortions might be required to have their tubes tied. If that does not solve the problem, then people who are unable to financially support a child may be required to undergo sterilization.

Look up the eugenics movement sometime. Progressive liberals have been trying to find a way to sterilize and breed out minorities that way for over a century by controlling reproduction. If you look into the early days of the movement, they were very open about the fact that they would have to find a way to allow government access to reproduction. Government funded abortions is exactly the sort of vehicle they dreamed about 100 years ago as a method of eliminating the poor; specifically blacks.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 5:07:21 PM   
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There's nothing wrong with it. In fact the government DOES support family planning by providing literature that discusses abstinance, contraception, and health care literature for expectant mothers. It also provides aid for poor people who cannot afford proper health care for an unborn child, and food subsidies for mothers.

The primary issue with abortion is this:


Abortion services is part of family planning. It's a medical procedure between a doctor and their patient. Just like appendectomies. I don't see people saying 'no funding for appendectomies!"

If you oppose ABORTION you are ANTI-FAMILY-PLANNING. PERIOD.

You can't pick and choose what services are 'right'. That's between the patient and their doctor.

And we can talk about the whole subtext behind 'fettering' abortion services.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 5:23:14 PM   
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There's nothing wrong with it. In fact the government DOES support family planning by providing literature that discusses abstinance, contraception, and health care literature for expectant mothers. It also provides aid for poor people who cannot afford proper health care for an unborn child, and food subsidies for mothers.

The primary issue with abortion is this:


Abortion services is part of family planning. It's a medical procedure between a doctor and their patient. Just like appendectomies. I don't see people saying 'no funding for appendectomies!"

If you oppose ABORTION you are ANTI-FAMILY-PLANNING. PERIOD.

You can't pick and choose what services are 'right'. That's between the patient and their doctor.

And we can talk about the whole subtext behind 'fettering' abortion services.


That is your extremely limited and ignorant opinion. You seem to have a lot of those...

As long as the funding comes from taxes, the public DOES have the right to deny or support anything they damned well choose to.

Just because you don't like it and it upsets your ridiculous view of the world does not make it stupid or anti-anything. If you have the right to a government funded abortion, then the rest of the country has the right to demand that you be sterilized using government funds. After all, according to the liberal eugenics movement, forced sterilization is family planning.

So, I suppose if you oppose government mandated sterilization of women then you must be anti-family planning.

And yes, apparently a person can pick and choose which services are "right" because it appears that many people believe the "right" government funded abortion service is no government funded abortion service in much the same way that many people believe that the "right" approach to government mandated sterilization is no government mandated sterilization.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 5:39:31 PM   
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How isn't abortion part of family planning? And how are someone else's private family planning decisions anything for you to concern yourself over?

If you oppose abortion, you oppose family planning. Period. Stop trying to hide behind a scientifically false "Pro-Life" branding, because 1) Life is a continuum, there's nothing more "Alive" about a blastocyst than the sperm and egg which proceeded it and 2) no-one is Anti-Life.

It's about PERSONAL FREEDOM and FAMILY PLANNING. Face it, the anti-family-planning agenda is to have women FETTERED, so that you can control their FAMILY PLANNING. Because you don't think they're human beings worth of personal freedom or intelligent enough to see to their own healthcare.

Your days of hiding are over. We're onto your real agenda. It's all about control over women.

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If you have the right to a government funded abortion, then the rest of the country has the right to demand that you be sterilized using government funds


See... RIGHT THERE You prove my point. A woman must consent to an abortion, but you are advocating strapping a woman down to a table, against her will and sterilizing her WITHOUT HER CONSENT.

I couldn't have proven the point than your frank admission that your agenda is "Don't ask us to respect your family planning choices, OR WE WILL STRAP YOU DOWN AND STERILIZE YOU!"

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 5:46:56 PM   
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I guess the other option for anti-abortionists is when women are forced to get backyard abortions because they can't access a basic human right of contraception or pregnancy termination, the conservatives can then pay their medical bills when they're in your local county hospital in intensive care intubated & being treated for septicaemia.

I can assure you that option will eat up a bigger % of your precious tax dollars you were already paying anyway.

Should mind their own fucking business. If a conservative tried to stop me having an abortion, I'll punch you in the fucking face.

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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 5:48:30 PM   
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I guess the other option for anti-abortionists is when women are forced to get backyard abortions because they can't access a basic human right of contraception or pregnancy termination, the conservatives can then pay their medical bills when they're in your local county hospital in intensive care intubated & being treated for septicaemia.

I can assure you that option will eat up a bigger % of your precious tax dollars you were already paying anyway.

Should mind their own fucking business. If a conservative tried to stop me having an abortion, I'll punch you in the fucking face.


They're not "Anti-Abortionists". They're Anti-Family Planning. Because reproductive control is the key to woman controlling their own lives, and they JUST DON'T THINK WOMEN ARE SMART ENOUGH FOR THAT.



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RE: Is UNFETTERED ACCESS to family planning services (i... - 3/28/2012 5:50:14 PM   
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Oh sorry, I forgot these people think our (women's) only purpose is breeding. Just walking ovulation machines that shouldn't be stopped!

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