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Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/27/2012 10:28:07 PM

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"Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman"

"Cops asked for arrest warrant in Trayvon Martin case, but Seminole State Attorney's office held off"

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sfl-prosecutor-sanford-police-sought-to-charge-zimmerman-20120327,0,748228.story

Looks like Lee might be in a mess of trouble!

Now, I wonder exactly who at the prosecutor's office the records of Zimmermans dad will show a phone call to?

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/27/2012 11:16:47 PM

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Well it's Florida, repub racist state of the south. This isn't the first time or will it be the last.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 5:26:13 AM

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Well, as we can see, while Zimmerman might have racist motives for killing Trayvon Martin, the police misconduct isn't related to racism at all. The COVER UP is all about the Good Old Boys Network. It could have been a dead hooker or anything.

The solution to this is as much light as we can shine on all of them. Rats hate light. And the FBI and DOJ are going to have a field day. Once they find the phone records from Zimmerman -> Zimmerman's Dad -> D.A's office, it's ALL going to fall apart.

I expect to see some Sanford PD freaking out and committing suicide rather than face federal prison once this gets rocking and rolling. We already have Federal Star Witness #1, this cop who filed and affidavit before the shitstorm that he TRIED to get the DA to file. He just hung the rest of the Sanford PD out to dry, and the only question is do the feds need to cut any more deals to get the goods on the Bad Guys.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:19:43 AM

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I don't see the Sanford PD being found at fault here.
Please understand that this is speculation but I think everyone will agree it is plausible,

Zimmerman shot Martin during an altercation. This is not debated. I'm not going into who defended themselves in this sentence, only the facts.

Zimmerman was taken in for questioning for a few hours. Again, verifiable fact.

The DA, late on a Sunday night calls down to the police station and says "Dont File charges" Again, verifiable. (late on a Sunday is defined as shooting at 730, transport time plus 3 hours questioning = 10:30 to 11:00 PM).

What is the DA doing sticking his nose into an investigation that far from office hours?

Here is my speculation. Please feel free to indicate anyting that is not logical.

Zimmerman is being questioned and realizes he has possibly fucked up big time.
Zimmerman calls Daddy (remember him, the retired judge).
Daddy calls the DA at home and asks for a 'favor'.
DA calls the police station and leans on the officer in charge of the investigation.
Zimmerman walks.

In this scenario, I don't blame the PD.

I dont think anyone will argue that when "Daddy" keeps pulling strings to get junior out of trouble, junior is eventually headed for a big time fall. I would also wonder if Daddy had anything to do with Zimmerman's felony charges for assault on a policeman and resisting arrest and his domestic violence accusations disappearing.

ETA, I don't see any racism, I just see an overprotective daddy who wouldn't let his kid learn from mistakes and here is the result.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:23:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I don't see the Sanford PD being found at fault here.
Please understand that this is speculation bnut I think everyone will agree it is plausible,

Zimmerman shot Martin during an altercation. This is not debated. I'm not going into who defended themselves in this sentence, only the facts.

Zimmerman was taken in for questioning for a few hours. Again, verifiable fact.

The DA, late on a Sunday night calls down to the police station and says "Dont File charges" Again, verifiable. (late on a Sunday is defined as shooting at 730, transport time plus 3 hours questioning = 10:30 to 11:00 PM).

What is the DA doing sticking his nose into an investigation that far from office hours?

Here is my speculation. Please feel free to indicate anyting that is not logical.

Zimmerman is being questioned and realizes he has possibly fucked up big time.
Zimmerman calls Daddy (remember him, the retired judge).
Daddy calls the DA at home and asks for a 'favor'.
DA calls the police station and leans on the officer in charge of the investigation.
Zimmerman walks.

In this scenario, I don't blame the PD.

I dont think anyone will argue that when "Daddy" keeps pulling strings to get junior out of trouble, junior is eventually headed for a big time fall. I would also wonder if Daddy had anything to do with Zimmerman's felony charges for assault on a policeman and resisting arrest and his domestic violence accusations disappearing.

Well, The PD Chief, Lee, did go on record saying stupid things in support of the Zimmerman/DA conspiracy to obstruct justice, and there's that thing where this cop who filed the CYA affidavit didn't make any friends by doing it, so there are other cops who ain't so shiny-clean, and they're shitting.

I'm SURE the FBI and DOJ will find out in excruciating detail who said what to whom and when.

Those charges didn't 'disappear'. Zimmerman got pretrial diversion for taking a swing at a cop. And THAT STINKS LIKE FISH AND HAS DEAR-OLD-DAD'S fingerprints all over it.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:41:23 AM

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quote:

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I don't see the Sanford PD being found at fault here.

well.. that also depends on what evidence the cops should have collected but didnt or what procedures they should have followed but didnt.. its been said that Zimmerman wasnt given a breathalizer to see if he had been drinking, etc..

That said.. i seriously doubt that any cop is freaking out and gonna commit suicide or anything like that.. me thinks some people watch too much tv...

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:59:06 AM

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Yeah, I think the criminal conspiracy ends at the Ex-Chief of Police, Lee.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 8:56:03 AM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I don't see the Sanford PD being found at fault here.

well.. that also depends on what evidence the cops should have collected but didnt or what procedures they should have followed but didnt.. its been said that Zimmerman wasnt given a breathalizer to see if he had been drinking, etc..

That said.. i seriously doubt that any cop is freaking out and gonna commit suicide or anything like that.. me thinks some people watch too much tv...

If you're a detective and the DA leans on you.................

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 10:05:45 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
I don't see the Sanford PD being found at fault here.

well.. that also depends on what evidence the cops should have collected but didnt or what procedures they should have followed but didnt.. its been said that Zimmerman wasnt given a breathalizer to see if he had been drinking, etc..

That said.. i seriously doubt that any cop is freaking out and gonna commit suicide or anything like that.. me thinks some people watch too much tv...

If you're a detective and the DA leans on you.................

just saying it can be both...

I also find it odd that the first officer on the scene had been involved in a cover-up 2 years ago over the son of a cop and grandson of a former judge.. imo Zimmerman blabbed away to all the cops about how his father was a former judge.. imo, that would have been the first thing out of his mouth..

I find it really cold that Zimmerman told some friend of his that he thought this whole thing would "all blow over by now".. like murdering someone is something that can just blow over if you wait a while.. nutbar.. nutbar.. nutbar..

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 2:20:12 PM

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Well, do you expect someone WITH PRIVILEGE to have to subject themselves to the Due Process system?

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 5:01:32 PM

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holy shit 9 posts! dont you think its time to start another thread?

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 5:09:31 PM

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It's been a slow day. The new prosecutor is collecting and organizing information and deciding whether to go for the slam-dunk Manslaughter charge, or if there's enough given the circumstances for premeditation.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 5:39:43 PM

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The new prosecutor is collecting and organizing information and deciding whether to go for the slam-dunk Manslaughter charge, or if there's enough given the circumstances for premeditation.

Just out of curiosity, what is your attitude going to be if after reviewing the evidence and witness testimony the Grand Jury declines to indict? What are you going to say then? I just want to be prepared.

K.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 5:51:57 PM

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See, that's the problem. I don't understand why anyone would need to present to a Grand Jury in the first place. The cop HANDED THE VERIFIED CHARGES TO THE DA. It's all over at that point but the prosecution.

Given the FACTS, there's NOTHING to prevent that manslaughter indictiment. It's not interested in stories or anything. There's TWO FACTS that need to be sustained. Trayvon Martin is dead, and George Zimmerman did it. EVERYTHING ELSE IS FOR PRETRIAL MOTIONS.

So all this "who said what", isn't even going to presented. They don't need to tell the Grand Jury anything about 9-1-1 calls, Zimmerman's negligence or any supposed fight.

It's irrelevant to getting Zimmerman into court to explain to a Judge why he should have the charges dismissed. And it becomes relevant ONLY when Zimmerman tells it to the Judge. Who will then rule on the motion to dismiss.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:02:39 PM

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So there's no need for a jury....they can just ask you.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:24:24 PM

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Why are you suggesting that I ever advocated for anything less than Due Process of Law?

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:26:16 PM

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So there's no need for a jury....they can just ask you.

In all fairness, a motion to dismiss is not decided by a jury. Only a judge makes such a ruling.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:28:16 PM

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Why are you suggesting that I ever advocated for anything less than Due Process of Law?

Reading comprehension.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:29:21 PM

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Ok, let's see your direct quotes from me supporting this claim, or I expect a retraction and apology.

And make sure whatever you try to quote isn't 100% in line with Florida's Criminal Procedure Law BEFORE wasting our time on it. If I have to show you the part of CPL which validates my claim, game over and you lose.

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RE: Prosecutor: Sanford police sought to charge Zimmerman - 3/28/2012 7:30:11 PM

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See, that's the problem. I don't understand why anyone would need to present to a Grand Jury in the first place.

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