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RE: Obamacare Unconstitutional - who's to blame? - 3/29/2012 3:46:02 PM

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I'm writing in Gen./Sec'y Powell. I can't even hold my nose and vote for Gov. Romney.

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RE: Obamacare Unconstitutional - who's to blame? - 3/29/2012 4:08:21 PM

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The case is very interesting. In general I am against pigeon-holing judicial decision-making. In my utopia, judges are individuals who think independently and impartially with an eye towards balancing precedent and social changes. Ideally, every judge has an open mind.

This court, though, cuts across some strong ideological lines. Alito, Thomas, Scalia, and Roberts reputedly bend away from "judicial activism," but also lean towards "conservatism" (less goverment, business friendly, pro-police enforcement, etc.)

I think what we are about to see is judicial activism to promote their own conservative principles. There's some hypocrisy in this stance.

Getting away from the Court, I have seem several pictures of demonstrators who are against the health care initiative on moral grounds, i.e. seeing Obamacare as immoral? This I don't see at all.

How is extending health care coverage to the uninsured and uninsurable (preexisting conditions) immoral?

How is it immoral to mandate those spunging off the system to pay into it?

The reality is that those with health insurance underwrite those without it. I see some immorality here. The question is, how do you correct this situation?

Is it more moral to refuse care to the uninsured while keeping the present system in place? The problem here is, this won't happen.

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RE: Obamacare Unconstitutional - who's to blame? - 3/29/2012 4:50:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I think what we are about to see is judicial activism to promote their own conservative principles. There's some hypocrisy in this stance.

I love that!

Hypocrisy is upholding one's oath. Bloody hysterical, pithy, and pointed.

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RE: Obamacare Unconstitutional - who's to blame? - 3/29/2012 7:07:25 PM

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You should read his post for the argument it makes, rather than cherry picking a sound bite to deliberately misinterpret.

It would give your point of view a lot more credibility.

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RE: Obamacare Unconstitutional - who's to blame? - 3/30/2012 9:56:26 AM

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Well, I normally don't watch MSNBC much. That changed on Monday. I wanted to see how that Obama news organization deals with the the bad news. I was not disappointed and continue to be entertained you see, because the spin changes daily now.

Monday: The Most Reverend Sharpton accuses the Supreme Court of givng the upcoming election to the GOP. Therefore it is the Supreme Court's fault on Monday afternoon.

Tuesday: All day we hear how the GOP orginally invented the mandate and so it's not the Demo's fault because Obama was simply using their idea. Therefore on Tuesday afternoon it is the fault of the GOP.

Wednesday morning: This morning it is all about the man who spearheaded the arguments for the Obama administrations, Edwin Kneedler, a government lawyer who has argued more cases before the Supreme Court than any other, this morning we hear how he stumbled and could not finish his sentences and botched the arguements, so it's not that the mandate is unconsititional, oh no, its just that this nucklehead could not present Obama's position due to incompetence. Therefore currently it is Obama's lawyer that is at fault.

I continue to keep my channel on MSNBC for more updates. Perhaps soon they will finally come to the conculsion it was Bush's fault all along and certainly I can live with that (because) it is not Obama's and Pelosi's fault. How could it be?

Well, what say you? Who's fault is it? I say it is Osama's fault. If he had not struck the twin towers we would not be in such wars and then the gas prices would be low and we could have saved all that money we spent finding him and instead spent it on free healthcare for the children. It was "for the children" we did this because "it takes a village" and so clearly this Supreme Court fiasco is the children's fault. Thank God children can't vote. Can they? One would think so...

Update: It appears by "many" that the Obama cable new network, the Much Snakeoil No Badold Constitution (MSNBC) news channel, had marching orders to attack the Supreme Court as being "political" in its decision making since the Florida election ruling. Yup. This appears to be the best approach according to the White House: duck responsiblity and blame those who called you on this fiasco. So what else is new in the Obama White House? Anyone surprised?

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RE: Obamacare Unconstitutional - who's to blame? - 3/30/2012 10:02:55 AM

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Yeah, the fact that anyone would have so little knowledge to think that the Supreme Court of the United States is less a political institution than it is a legal one.

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RE: Obamacare Unconstitutional - who's to blame? - 3/30/2012 12:43:13 PM

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Theory and practice are two separate things, sadly.

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