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Kirata -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 9:39:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 You on the other hand....have been telling some really ridiculous,ignorant fantasy scenarios...... And you'll be right back to quote specifics, as usual, right? Crawl back under your rock. K.

LafayetteLady -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 9:42:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Yeah, Fargle's posted a pic debunking that one in one of his many other threads on this. (Intriguingly, the poster who'd started a thread claiming the baby gangsta piccies that've been going around was the same Trayvon Martin had nothing to say about that...) I don't remember there being a separate thread started on that. When I first saw them, they were posted in response to a side-by-side using a more current picture of Trayvon with an old picture of Zimmerman looking all angelic, which I posted as a comment on the side-by-sides the press was publishing using a photo of Trayvon when he was 12 years old. Those other photos were debunked fairly quickly, as I recall. But I'm sure the individual who posted them would be willing to add his own to the list of apologies from all the crystal-ball readers who have turned this tragedy into a circus. K. But even the more "recent" pictures of Martin are irrelvant. The original one presented was obviously a school picture, so of course he is going to look angelic. The others (even the real ones) are taken by web cam or phone by the kid himself, hamming it up for the camera. How many of us parents get school pictures of our kids and wonder, "who the hell is this angel in the picture?"

Hillwilliam -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 9:50:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady How many of us parents get school pictures of our kids and wonder, "who the hell is this angel in the picture?" I remember when I was young, my mom would stick me in a suit to have a portrait taken every damn year. I once looked at her and said "Wouldn't you rather remember me as I was instead of as you wish I had been?"

Owner59 -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 9:50:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 You on the other hand....have been telling some really ridiculous,ignorant fantasy scenarios...... And you'll be right back to quote specifics, as usual, right? Crawl back under your rock. K. So I need to link to 90% of what you`ve said about George? Just read the threads again.....[8\|]

Kirata -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 9:53:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady But even the more "recent" pictures of Martin are irrelvant. The original one presented was obviously a school picture, so of course he is going to look angelic. The others (even the real ones) are taken by web cam or phone by the kid himself, hamming it up for the camera. How many of us parents get school pictures of our kids and wonder, "who the hell is this angel in the picture?" Well, pictures of either of them are irrelevant as far as that goes. The only thing that matters is the facts. But the power of first-impressions can't be denied, and in my opinion those photos of an angelic looking kid and his scruffy assailant contributed to the conclusions of this circus of sofa-jurors. K.

Owner59 -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 9:55:14 AM)
Go Johny Cochran!

farglebargle -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 11:26:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady But even the more "recent" pictures of Martin are irrelvant. The original one presented was obviously a school picture, so of course he is going to look angelic. The others (even the real ones) are taken by web cam or phone by the kid himself, hamming it up for the camera. How many of us parents get school pictures of our kids and wonder, "who the hell is this angel in the picture?" Well, pictures of either of them are irrelevant as far as that goes. The only thing that matters is the facts. But the power of first-impressions can't be denied, and in my opinion those photos of an angelic looking kid and his scruffy assailant contributed to the conclusions of this circus of sofa-jurors. K. Fact 1: Trayvon Martin is dead. Fact 2: George Zimmerman killed him. Anything Zimmerman has to say, he can tell it to the Judge.

Kirata -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 11:48:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 So I need to link to 90% of what you`ve said about George? Yeah, all the stuff that you didn't rebut at the time because you had nothing substantial to present. We gotta play some poker one of these days. [:)] K.

Kirata -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 11:52:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Judge for yourself. IF Martin and Zimmerman did get in a fight, do Zimmerman's injuries support his claim of being in immediate danger of Great Bodily Harm ( in the specific legal context ) or Death? Not even close. Looks like Zimmerman had better practice bending over. Interestingly enough, The Daily Caller is now suggesting that the grainy photos may in fact show a head injury. a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long There's still no evidence of the "broken nose" though. K.

PeonForHer -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 12:06:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Interestingly enough, The Daily Caller is now suggesting that the grainy photos may in fact show a head injury. a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long There's still no evidence of the "broken nose" though. K. Really irritating that ABC's banner blots out quite a few seconds where the back of Zimmerman's head could be visible.

slvemike4u -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 12:08:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Yeah, Fargle's posted a pic debunking that one in one of his many other threads on this. (Intriguingly, the poster who'd started a thread claiming the baby gangsta piccies that've been going around was the same Trayvon Martin had nothing to say about that...) I don't remember there being a separate thread started on that. When I first saw them, they were posted in response to a side-by-side using a more current picture of Trayvon with an old picture of Zimmerman looking all angelic, which I posted as a comment on the side-by-sides the press was publishing using a photo of Trayvon when he was 12 years old. Those other photos were debunked fairly quickly, as I recall. But I'm sure the individual who posted them would be willing to add his own to the list of apologies from all the crystal-ball readers who have turned this tragedy into a circus. K. I think the "circus" came to town when a young kid was killed and a police department failed to hold the "killer" in custody. If that isn't an invitation for the "circus"(your description,not mine) I don't know what is. Or,and I find this a tad curious,are you suggesting that we should all shut up,sit back and let the authorities(the same ones who so far have failed to act) sort this all out? I,for one,do not trust/believe that local authorities,absent this media glare,would ever have gotten tothe bottom/truth of this matter. Now I suppose that makes me one of your famous "crystal-ball readers" ?

Kirata -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 12:18:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I think the "circus" came to town when a young kid was killed and a police department failed to hold the "killer" in custody. If that isn't an invitation for the "circus"(your description,not mine) I don't know what is. Or,and I find this a tad curious,are you suggesting that we should all shut up,sit back and let the authorities(the same ones who so far have failed to act) sort this all out? I think people shouldn't be setting themselves up as judge and jury, screaming about racist rednecks out coon hunting, and generally joining the show in the Big Top, which is still going on... Step right up, folks! But hey, if you consider yourself to be part of that circus, who am I to argue? K.

kalikshama -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 12:36:49 PM)
quote: I think the "circus" came to town when a young kid was killed and a police department failed to hold the "killer" in custody. Agreed

slvemike4u -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 12:43:05 PM)
Bullshit,I am not setting myself up as judge and jury,first off I am in no position to adversely affect Mr.Zimmerman so stating my opinion on the matter is my god given right. You don't appreciate hearing it than stop reading the damm posts.... While you are at it stop projecting your own bullshit onto me and my opinions....case in point.please cite one post where I suggested in any way shape or form that Mr Zimmerman was out "coon hunting"! Since you will not be able to do so ,all I can assume is that this is a case of you consulting your own crystal ball as you project your issues onto others. Thanks for playing...and thanks for choosing "not to argue"...innuendo is more your cup of tea,eh kirata?

Kirata -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 1:04:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Bullshit,I am not setting myself up as judge and jury... Good. Then the "circus" comment had nothing to do with you. I never said it did, of course, but that appeared to be your conclusion. Now that we've cleared up your unfortunate misunderstanding, do you approve of this circus of prejudgment and hate? K.

DomKen -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 2:18:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u I think the "circus" came to town when a young kid was killed and a police department failed to hold the "killer" in custody. If that isn't an invitation for the "circus"(your description,not mine) I don't know what is. Or,and I find this a tad curious,are you suggesting that we should all shut up,sit back and let the authorities(the same ones who so far have failed to act) sort this all out? I think people shouldn't be setting themselves up as judge and jury, screaming about racist rednecks out coon hunting, and generally joining the show in the Big Top, which is still going on... Step right up, folks! But hey, if you consider yourself to be part of that circus, who am I to argue? K. I'm going to have so much fun painting all cons as racists, terrorists etc. the next time some con no one has heard of does something. When you inevitably start whining remember you were pushing people who simply want Zimmerman to face a jury in with fringe nuts calling for other things.

Kirata -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 3:06:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen pushing people who simply want Zimmerman to face a jury in with fringe nuts calling for other things. I'm not pushing them in, they're jumping in on their own. When I cite #KillZimmerman, and you react like I was talking about you, I have to figure you know better than me. But hey, thanks for your candidness. K.

slvemike4u -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 3:10:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Bullshit,I am not setting myself up as judge and jury... Good. Then the "circus" comment had nothing to do with you. I never said it did, of course, but that appeared to be your conclusion. Now that we've cleared up your unfortunate misunderstanding, do you approve of this circus of prejudgment and hate? K. More of your usual bullshit....carry on as you like,you bitch about a circus but you bring your own ring to the party While you,as per your usual stance,assume a position of moral superiority. Enjoy your smugness....

LafayetteLady -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 3:35:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Judge for yourself. IF Martin and Zimmerman did get in a fight, do Zimmerman's injuries support his claim of being in immediate danger of Great Bodily Harm ( in the specific legal context ) or Death? Not even close. Looks like Zimmerman had better practice bending over. Interestingly enough, The Daily Caller is now suggesting that the grainy photos may in fact show a head injury. a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long There's still no evidence of the "broken nose" though. K. Such a laceration is unlikely from a head being hit on the sidewalk, you do know that right? Of course, if it is a scar, it is an old injury. Yes, a school photo of Martin, where of course he looks like a happy, innocent kid and Zimmerman's previous mug shot could be misleading. I will say again, if Zimmerman had a broken nose and such a severe laceration that would have required stitches, the police could not have over-ridden paramedics recommendation that Zimmerman go to the hospital. They could have gone with him, they could have maintained custody, but they would not and could not tell the paramedics that they were going to deny Zimmerman medical treatment. Think about the hot water something like that would have put them in. If Zimmerman is the son of a judge, he has been around legal issues all his life. Judges are practicing attorneys long before they become a judge. Pictures of his injuries would have been "leaked" somewhere, somehow. Also, he would have the knowledge to demand that the police allow him to get necessary medical attention. Yet, none of that happened, and until someone provides the answer as to why that is, I'm going to continue to believe it is because those injuries didn't exist. Honestly, I don't think race had much to do with this. He was dressed the way the majority of teenage boys dress these days. I think that George Zimmerman, who want to be a police officer, but never passed the test or was accepted in the academy (forget where I read that) was determined to be the most diligent neighborhood watch "captain" ever. I think he was over zealous and determined to become a "hero" however he could. Another statement I read where he was dumbfounded that this hadn't "blown over" by now is nauseating. It shows a total disregard for what he did. Even if it was completely justified (which I will never believe), killing someone doesn't "blow over" in a month for most people.

Kirata -> RE: How close to getting beaten to death does this guy look? (3/29/2012 3:40:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u More of your usual bullshit... My position from the start has been that bad judgment on both sides created this tragedy. I'm sorry you feel that's bullshit, and that you choose instead to defend this out-of-control circus of paranoid hatred and escalating hysteria that can see nothing but a racist who hunted down and killed a black youth like an animal. In my opinion, your choice and your insults say more about you than about me. But at least now our positions are clear. K.

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