xssve
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A slave's only desire is to please. Subs can be anything or desire anything, it's just that they're submissive to a dom/me.
Hahaha. Just because someone considers themselves a slave doesn't mean they don't want or need things. Saying that a slave can't want family or friends or financial security or a nice car or whatever just because of their relationship role is a lot of nonsense. 
Yeah, like I said, it's roleplay - doesn't mean you don't take it seriously, it's roleplay in the same way religions are forms of roleplay, and they get pretty damn militant about it, but as such, there are laws against actual slavery, and no legal recognition of consensual forms of slavery role playing (other than marriage), so a slave has all the same rights as anybody else, and they essentially are slaves to the extent they consent to playing that role.
And for a lot of people, it is just playing around, what your slavery consists of is up to you and your counterpart to define.
And, historically, slavery runs the gamut - Roman Slave and Norse Thralls could be freed or buy their freedom, and as freedmen had full rights of citizenship, even as slaves could rise to positions of political power and influence, in other instances people were routinely treated like dumb beasts, and forced labor was accompanied by social dehumanization.
And, I think possibly the real line here is the one between objectification and dehumanization - the sub is a person, a slave is a thing - I'm not saying that's correct, it's too hard a line, and as before with ownership, there is plenty of overlap and turnabout, but I'd have to say I hear those identifying as slaves, associating that with partial or full dehumanization than I do with people identifying themselves as subs.
Although in either case, it may be something one cycles through, weave in and out of, and even the coffee table probably likes to go out and eat dinner or have a girls night out now and then.
For me it's a just head trip: you take it where you want it, or need it to go - there is also posthuman for example, which is a completely different thing, and ego nullification is a traditional part of most of the worlds great religions, so dehumanization itself is a thing that can be subdivided into levels and variations.
And, when you you hear somebody say they want to be chained naked in a cold basement, fed scraps out of a dog dish, and be brutally raped nonstop, you really don't think sub or slave, you think "this bitch is either crazy or she's having a really bad year".
Anyway, what I'm getting at, is it's about limits really, and not just in the BDSM sense, i.e., a slave might presumably have fewer limit requirements, hypothetically speaking and with due respect all the caveats listed above, but in another sense, they may prefer more hypothetical restrictions, limits imposed on them, i.e., limits can work both ways.
Another factor that just occurred to me is that identification as a slave tends to correlate with some philosophy of gender supremacy, whether male or female supremacy, although of course, there are also slaves who submit to both genders, so it really is just difficult to make and hard and fast distinctions.
< Message edited by xssve -- 4/7/2012 1:49:06 PM >
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