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MrBlackMan -> questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 10:23:08 AM)

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of those whom you have come across on your voyage through the alternative lifestyle? Has there ever come a time when you felt you time devoted to the pursuit of a dominant or submissive been in vain? How do you even begin to describe your take on what a dom or sub really is? What defines a sub and then what describes a slave? I'm sure my questions have been asked many time in many different formats, yet I ask them because I honestly wish to hear some opinions.


As it is right to assume we've all gone through these questions as the "lifestyle" is in my opinion the same as any other relationship with the simple twist that you know a few of the secrets that the rest of the world may not know. There's definitely a difference in knowing "Tom" doesn't like tomatoes on his burger in retrospect knowing he like carrots up his ass. I can admit when I started this profile I felt that as long as I had some things in common with a prospective sub that I could make a lasting relationship, but obviously it takes more than that. I've learned that although a person may identify as a submissive they are still a person.

How do you go about showing you're just as sincere of a dominant as you'd like the submissive to prove their authenticity? It can be said that "I know me", but what does it take to get that same point across to another? I can understand the plight of the prospective submissive. Because they truly do have a harder time. I had a sissy slave approach me and say "its harder to be a sub". Initially I didn't get the point it was making because I felt that was a cop-out because of previous instances that it had proved to be dishonest, yet again it had some truth to its statement.


I know there are a lot of grammatical errors as I have a habit of writing how I talk so grammar police please don't arrest me. This narrative come from someone looking to improve on themselves so that once the property I'm looking for does come about I can be if not the best, better than I was when I started my voyage.

Thanks for reading

MrBlackMan




littlewonder -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 10:31:48 AM)

I've just always been myself. If they were interested and wanted to get to know me further, great. If not then so be it. I was never in a rush and never really questioned anyone or thought much about people at all. You either wanted to get to know me or you didn't. If they didn't then I just shrugged it off and didn't worry about it.




Hillwilliam -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 10:45:58 AM)

I've questioned everything.

The advice I can give you is as follows:

1. "Be yourself". Don't try to be uberDom or what you THINK subs want. You'll probably guess wrong LOL.

2. Don't spend so much time seeking. Get to know people of both genders, all ages and Tops, bottoms and switches. Sometimes, you have to quit lookiing so damn hard to allow something to find you.

3. A submissive woman is a woman first and submissive second. Start with the "On your knees slut" stuff from the first and you'll wonder why she left so quickly.

Last and definitely not least. When looking at profiles, remember these words. "If it looks too good to be true, it probably is".




RumpusParable -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 10:46:11 AM)

What Littlewonder said.

It really sounds like you're over-thinking it.

I just be me and match up with people based on that.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 10:50:12 AM)

Wow! There are about 20 different questions in your original message. I'm not sure where to begin to reply.

In the future, you may want to separate your many thoughts into separate threads so that we can give you more focused responses.

I guess I'll wait to see which part gets the most attention, and I'll join the conversation once it has a specific direction.




SirLangsdorff -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 11:00:39 AM)

This is not a response, but it is funny




SirLangsdorff -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 11:02:00 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_DlongRtX4&feature=relmfu




TNDommeK -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 11:10:57 AM)

That is pretty funny. It sounds like she was describing a few I have seen on this site as well.

Thanks for sharing.




tsatske -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 11:14:24 AM)

There is no way to define 'real', but yes, you come across plenty who scream unrealness, most of all with their insistance that they are the most real of the real high realness. You will find plenty of people on line who will never leave their online world to experience this. If that is what they want, if they get what they need, that is fine. What is not fine is how many of them present themselves as otherwise. Even in local munches you will find 'Only right way' types. Ignore them. there is no only one right way. Chat on boards more than in chat rooms, go to munches and live events, and you will meet people who are matches for you, i promise. They will be buried amonst millions of others, but those others are important, too. You will learn things from some of them, and somme of them will lead you to the one, when the time is right.

The difference between sub and slave is differant for everyone who defines it. For me it is about the amount of freedom given up. Since I am basicly interested in a 1950s style, many don't think I give up enough to be called a slave. That's fine, it just means we are not a match. For others the difference will be in something as basic as intensity of play. To me, also, a slave is a 24/7 experience. For this reason, I am unsure if I am ready to be a slave again. It is the only thing I have ever done in this lifestyle, but I am not sure if it is what I want now, because I am in a place in my life that I am so happy with, and I don't think I want to give up my own apartment, which I am supremely happy with.




poise -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 11:36:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBlackMan

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of those whom you have come across on your
voyage through the alternative lifestyle?

There are alot of really outrageous profiles here, but I have never questioned those I interact
with to be anyone other than who they present themselves to be.
You may be getting caught up in the word authentic as meaning a true slave, or a true dominant,
and since we all have our own ideas of what that means, they may not be true enough for you.
It doesn't mean they aren't a slave or a dominant in their definition of the word.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBlackMan
What defines a sub and then what describes a slave?

You should only be concerned with finding someone who meets your definition of sub or slave.
Rather than trying to match the definition of a word, I strive to meet his expectations of me.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBlackMan
There's definitely a difference in knowing "Tom" doesn't like tomatoes on his burger in
retrospect knowing he like carrots up his ass. I can admit when I started this profile I felt
that as long as I had some things in common with a prospective sub that I could make a lasting relationship, but obviously it takes more than that. I've learned that although a person may identify
as a submissive they are still a person.

Just because you might enjoy putting carrots up Tom's ass, doesn't mean you will live happily
ever after. Find something in common that you can relate to with your clothes on....first. :)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBlackMan
How do you go about showing you're just as sincere of a dominant as you'd like the submissive to
prove their authenticity? It can be said that "I know me", but what does it take to get that same point across to another?

I think again you are looking to prove you're a real dominant. Stop worrying about putting on
some show of uber domliness and be yourself. Chest thumping won't be found appealing to many.


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBlackMan
I can understand the plight of the prospective submissive. Because they truly do have a harder time.
I had a sissy slave approach me and say "its harder to be a sub". Initially I didn't get the point it was making because I felt that was a cop-out because of previous instances that it had proved to be dishonest, yet again it had some truth to its statement.


It may improve your future interactions with those you are hoping to attract if you referred to
other humans as he, she or them, as opposed to an it.




LadyPact -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 11:59:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBlackMan

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of those whom you have come across on your voyage through the alternative lifestyle?

Authenticity?  No.  I will admit that there are people that I don't particularly see as a Dominant and there are definitely submissives  out there that don't fit My particular style of Dominance for a dynamic, but that doesn't make them not authentic.  It just means that they aren't compatible with Me.

quote:

Has there ever come a time when you felt you time devoted to the pursuit of a dominant or submissive been in vain?

Not really.  I don't specifically pursue.  Right now, I live in the middle of nowhere, so it's rather impractical.  Anyplace else that I've lived, all I ever had to do was be active in the local community and prospects were there.

quote:

How do you even begin to describe your take on what a dom or sub really is?

That one is easy.  I open My mouth and tell people what I think.  If you don't know for yourself, there's no way you're going to be able to convey it.  That's not to say that My definition hasn't grown over the years.  It's certainly evolved, but that doesn't mean that I don't have the ability to express it.

quote:

What defines a sub and then what describes a slave?

My personal definition revolves around the level of authority that an s-type is willing to give over to the person in charge. 

quote:

I'm sure my questions have been asked many time in many different formats, yet I ask them because I honestly wish to hear some opinions.

Yes, they have.  It may interest you to read some of the older threads in the search feature, as it may help to give you a wider variety of opinions.

quote:

As it is right to assume we've all gone through these questions as the "lifestyle" is in my opinion the same as any other relationship with the simple twist that you know a few of the secrets that the rest of the world may not know. There's definitely a difference in knowing "Tom" doesn't like tomatoes on his burger in retrospect knowing he like carrots up his ass. I can admit when I started this profile I felt that as long as I had some things in common with a prospective sub that I could make a lasting relationship, but obviously it takes more than that. I've learned that although a person may identify as a submissive they are still a person.

As I see it, you're still learning because if you're basing whether a person is Dominant or submissive due to the fact they like receiving anal play, you've still got a long way to go.  Same with it took you time to figure out that people who identify as submissive are still people.

Yes, once compatibility is sorted out, D/s can often look like any other relationship.  The issue is getting the compatibility settled.  That level of authority thing that I mentioned earlier is one of those.  For example, I'm not suited for somebody who is only interested in being controlled in the bedroom and thinks obedience stops once we go outside of the bedroom door.

quote:

How do you go about showing you're just as sincere of a dominant as you'd like the submissive to prove their authenticity?

Well, I'm not exactly into 'showing' anybody as though I'm trying to prove something.  I'm active in My kink community.  I also happen to be pretty easy to talk to.  It's pretty easy for people to make up their own minds about Me. 

quote:

It can be said that "I know me", but what does it take to get that same point across to another?

Why not try letting people get to know you so they can make that assessment?  When I walk into My local munch, people don't confuse Me with a different orientation.

quote:

I can understand the plight of the prospective submissive. Because they truly do have a harder time. I had a sissy slave approach me and say "its harder to be a sub". Initially I didn't get the point it was making because I felt that was a cop-out because of previous instances that it had proved to be dishonest, yet again it had some truth to its statement.

Here's another lesson.  Unless you are in a dynamic with someone, and objectification is a part of that dynamic, don't call somebody "it".  Remember that thing you were saying above about submissives being people?  Keep it in your head because it's far more appropriate.

quote:

I know there are a lot of grammatical errors as I have a habit of writing how I talk so grammar police please don't arrest me. This narrative come from someone looking to improve on themselves so that once the property I'm looking for does come about I can be if not the best, better than I was when I started my voyage.

Thanks for reading

MrBlackMan

It's good that you are trying to become more educated.  At the same time, it's your lack of education in some matters that show you're not at the level of being ready to own human property.  It's very much like I happen to think it would be really cool to play the violin.  That doesn't make Me competent to sit first chair for the evening performance next Saturday.

Being on this site is one way to get some of that education, but it's not going to be complete and it's not going to happen overnight.  Are you giving yourself a chance to know and talk with other people who are living alternative lifestyles?  Maybe getting out to meet other Dominants and submissives who have been doing this for a while?  There's a great book list on another section of the boards.  Maybe you'd be interested in reading some of those for more information.




kalikshama -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 12:03:22 PM)

quote:

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of those whom you have come across on your voyage through the alternative lifestyle?


Often online. Never at BDSM educational events in real life.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 2:36:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBlackMan

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of those whom you have come across on your voyage through the alternative lifestyle?



Definitely! Frankly, I think that at least 50% of the people that I come across on-line have never actually dominated or submitted to anyone. Most have fantasized about it, but haven't had the courage to actually go to a real-world munch, play party, demo, or BDSM event. That doesn't mean that they're "fake", but it does mean that their BDSM experience hasn't actually included a face-to-face partner. I'll leave others to judge how authentic that is.

I also sometimes question the "authenticity" of people at real world events. I've met people at local BDSM gatherings who claim to be "Doms/Dommes", but who seem to be extremely shy, timid, socially awkward, uneducated, physically unfit (often exceeding 300 lbs.), physically unattractive (to me), and terminally unemployed. Moreover, I've never seen them with a sub or slave. Yet, they take the title of "Dom" or "Domme", despite the fact that they aren't dominant in any vanilla sense of the word.

But the reality is that if they can get one person to submit to them, then they've earned their title, regardless of how undominant (is that a word?) I may find them to be.

That's the funny thing about BDSM. It doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks of you. All that matters is what your partner thinks.




tsatske -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 5:04:52 PM)

I think it is unfair to say to this newcommer that everyone is real. Yes, I know we have no desire to say there is one true way - but let's face it, some people on this site are not really what they claim to be. I just got a message from a gentleman whose profile says he is looking for 24/7 slave to join him in his Bahama paradise. Even though my profile says that, while willing to corrospond and make friends, I am probably not looking for 24/7 and I am not relocatable. He said - in his first letter - I should yahoo chat or skype with him and gave his IDs. I wrote him back and told him my yahoo client is not working and I don't know how to skype. (so far so good). He wrote me - this is his second letter - and told me we should tak on the phone - and then wrote me a third letter before I could even read the second one and said he would be in the US next week visiting a friend and would like to fly me to stay with him in his friends 'mansion'. I am not being judgemental when I judge him to be not what I am looking for - to be, in fact, a run don't walk situation. It is reasonable to admit that this is not a rarity on CM.




domincalifornia -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 8:08:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBlackMan

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of those whom you have come across on your voyage through the alternative lifestyle? Has there ever come a time when you felt you time devoted to the pursuit of a dominant or submissive been in vain? How do you even begin to describe your take on what a dom or sub really is? What defines a sub and then what describes a slave? I'm sure my questions have been asked many time in many different formats, yet I ask them because I honestly wish to hear some opinions.


As it is right to assume we've all gone through these questions as the "lifestyle" is in my opinion the same as any other relationship with the simple twist that you know a few of the secrets that the rest of the world may not know. There's definitely a difference in knowing "Tom" doesn't like tomatoes on his burger in retrospect knowing he like carrots up his ass. I can admit when I started this profile I felt that as long as I had some things in common with a prospective sub that I could make a lasting relationship, but obviously it takes more than that. I've learned that although a person may identify as a submissive they are still a person.

How do you go about showing you're just as sincere of a dominant as you'd like the submissive to prove their authenticity? It can be said that "I know me", but what does it take to get that same point across to another? I can understand the plight of the prospective submissive. Because they truly do have a harder time. I had a sissy slave approach me and say "its harder to be a sub". Initially I didn't get the point it was making because I felt that was a cop-out because of previous instances that it had proved to be dishonest, yet again it had some truth to its statement.


I know there are a lot of grammatical errors as I have a habit of writing how I talk so grammar police please don't arrest me. This narrative come from someone looking to improve on themselves so that once the property I'm looking for does come about I can be if not the best, better than I was when I started my voyage.

Thanks for reading

MrBlackMan




Here's what works for me: I don't care about labels. I don't care about how dom and sub are defined by anyone. I don't care about "the lifestyle." I don't have any interested in socializing with people based on their interest in BDSM. I don't care what particular BDSM activities other doms like or don't like. I don't think of submissive women as "property." I think of them as people.

I simply present myself honestly and say what I like and what I am looking for. I don't attempt to "prove" myself other than just being myself. If that works for a sub, great. If not, we both move on.




JeffBC -> RE: questions from a newbie Dominant (4/3/2012 11:03:02 PM)

Have you ever questioned the authenticity of those whom you have come across on your voyage through the alternative lifestyle?
As in... what exactly? I'm pretty sure I can tell a human from a chair or a desk if that's what you mean. No, I do not question people's authenticity. I DO question my understanding of the very complex topics they are trying to relate to me when they say "I am a....." What I do not do is try to see if they measure up to some standard of mine. Rather, I'm trying to learn who they are.

Has there ever come a time when you felt you time devoted to the pursuit of a dominant or submissive been in vain?
No, but then again, I've never pursued a submissive. Honestly though, I don't think I'd say that I've ever pursued a woman "in vain". That's got that "hunt" metaphor attached and I don't think that way.

How do you even begin to describe your take on what a dom or sub really is?
I don't. Why would I ever need to do that? I CAN describe how Carol's and my relationship works. They can apply whatever labels work for them to it. If I did want to do that I'd need to talk about three totally different doms and subs... at least. It's just a pain.

What defines a sub and then what describes a slave?
Nothing. The words are undefined in this context. I could offer up my own personal definition of "slave" here. It would be no surprise to find that none of the "slaves" reading this thread qualified. It pretty much always happens that way. Heck, I don't even think there's large scale agreement on what "sub" means.

Here's my advice:
The labels are a seductive trap of empty philosophies. Understand that they have no meanings and so just ignore them and see past them to the real humans behind them.




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