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Real0ne -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/8/2012 1:07:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoftBonds quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Sure ahhuh of course quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: It's because we are broke, we are very broke and we will be broke for a long time. Hardly. U.S. assets top $188 trillion. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/UNITEDKINGDOMDEBTMAP1.jpg[/image] the kings club is fucking broke! LOL Actually, that chart looks very reasonable to me. If you look at corporations by asset valuation, you will find that the companies whose assets are worth more have, on average, more debt than the companies whose assets are worth less. US, Canadian, European, Japanese, and Aussie workers are able to earn more from their labor, and those nations have a larger industrial base, so they have assets that are more valuable, and can borrow more money against those assets. In a perfect world that debt in incurred to pay for capital improvements with a value to the future generations that will pay that debt, for example the Road and Infrastructure improvements Obama got in 2009, as opposed to paying to lower taxes for a current generation, or to pay for a war (not that I'm complaining about 2 presidents in particular here). If you told me the US was going to borrow an extra trillion dollars this year, and spend it all on capital improvements, both to repair the most broken parts of our infrastructure (bridges come to mind, as do certain flood walls), and to make improvements with a high future value (nuclear plants, solar panel development, R&D, education to make our workers more productive), I would support it completely, because I would understand that the improvements would pay us back with interest, and that they would benefit those who would have to pay the bill. Edit: Sorry New Zealand, meant to include you Kiwi's too. Gosh, there are a lot of nations in the "rich," world, aren't there. Oh, wait, South Korea too, sorry Koreans, hard to see you on that map at my screen resolution. why would anyone support loans instead of saving your pennies and buying outright? Did mom teach anyone about the evils of interest?

Real0ne -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/8/2012 1:10:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: why not simply get real PAYING jobs so we can AFFORD to PAY for it out of pocket I don't know why more poor people don't just do that. If they would simply earn six figures instead, all would be well. if youd stop cheerleading a failed monetary system and stop putting brits in office this shit wouldnt be happening in the first place.

Musicmystery -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/8/2012 4:33:59 AM)
Ah. The days before poverty existed.

Edwynn -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/8/2012 4:35:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne why would anyone support loans instead of saving your pennies and buying outright? Your business acumen is truly astounding. quote: Did mom teach anyone about the evils of interest? Actually, it wasn't anybody's mom, it was all the major religions that said that ~1,300-2,100 years ago. Your history acumen is truly astounding.

MrRodgers -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/8/2012 5:15:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne what are you talking about, its not a secured debt NOW either the gubafia can or cannot force you to buy their products. if they can you have no fucking rights at all zippo, if they cant you have rights. that is the REAL issue at stake here they do not want talked about What's the penalty if I don't buy health insurance ? It is my understanding...a fine. How about being forced into the military...or go to jail ? Is that constitutional ? Hardly. How about all of us out here forced to buy medicare...for somebody else ? (nobody is forced buy a product but a service and a service needed by every human eventually, thus placing everyone in demand and in the marketplace while not everyone pays) I have a better idea...NOBODY buy ANY health insurance. Then we can all just go to the emergency room when necessary and let the providers work it out. That's what the poor and otherwise healthy (with no insurance) do as we speak.

Real0ne -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/9/2012 9:23:47 PM)
the problem that you have is the gubafia wants to play mommy and daddy and take care of our needs cradle to grave, you know for our protection, except when it serves their needs to turn their heads the other way. there are many other solutions that would resolve these matters but the gub always choses adnvertises and enacts into statute the one that best serves their interests in power. who is going to pay for it all? The rich? make me laugh, it ALWAYS falls unto the middle class to bear the major brunt of the burden and when ever the gubafia is involved it cost 2wuice as much as if you paid it out of pocket. the hegelian dialectic, they create the problem then come in as the grand savior and most people are none the wiser. The vanishing entitlements the second you go into collect. How shall I say suckers! That and what fucking authority has anyone been given to tell me I have to buy services at the end of the barrel of a fucking gubafia gun? Except in cases of injury in person or equity who the hell granted the gubafia any authority to tell me what to do? I didnt. oh and as far as constitutions are concerned my rights do not originate in any damn constitution, my rights are antecedent to the constitution, and I am NOT nor is anyone else here a party to that contract. Now lets see who can figger out the courts construction on that one! LMAO

Real0ne -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/9/2012 9:30:10 PM)
yeh 2 years of beating you over the head suilly before yo uactually come to the realization monetary inflation existed and then you pretended it was your position from the very beginning. I got a good laugh anyway. financial guru

Musicmystery -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/10/2012 4:33:36 AM)
You're such a card. No one living through the 70s needs a lesson in monetary inflation. I just learned how to address the economic realities, rather than bitch. And yes, that's been good to me, and to my clients.

Edwynn -> RE: Constitutionality of ACA (4/10/2012 12:07:08 PM)
At the height of it one could get ten year CDs at 15+%. You bet'cha. That's 8-9 years of being way above subsequent ~normal rates and most of the stock market and return to stabilized prices and employment. Volker was da man.

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