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Iamsemisweet -> Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 12:18:59 PM)

For years, New York parents have been applying to preschools even before their youngsters are born. That's not new, but the approach one prestigious pre-school on the Upper West Side is.

At the Porsafillo Preschool Academy, all applicants must now submit a DNA analysis of their children.

The preschool is housed in a modern glass and steel building designed by IM Pei. It's situated in a leafy corner of the Upper West Side. On a recent afternoon, Headmaster Rebecca Unsinn showed off "Porsafillo Pre," as it's called.

"Over here, we have computer labs, C++ learning, which of course, as I'm sure you know, is a language of computers," she says. Wait, computer language? These preschoolers are learning C++?

"Oh, absolutely they are," Unsinn says. "And they're very good at it."

That's not the only language they're learning; all the children are also enrolled in a Mandarin Chinese immersion program.

More than 12,000 applications pour into Unsinn's office each fall. That's 12,000 hopefuls for just 32 spots a year. It makes Porsafillo Pre the most competitive preschool in the United States.

So in a bid to weed out the kids who have no chance, the school decided to require a DNA test for all applicants. Before she joined the school in 2009, Unsinn was a child neurologist. She was hired specifically to implement this new policy.

Her team is looking for genetic markers that indicate future excellence — things like intelligence, confidence and other leadership traits.

One expectant couple has gone to great lengths to get their future child a spot at Porsafillo.

At the New Amsterdam Memorial Hospital, Richard Tromper and Elizabeth Tauschen are ready for their test. Elizabeth is 24 weeks pregnant, and the couple is applying for admission to Porsafillo for the fall of 2015.

"I went to Princeton," Tromper says. "I was lucky, I mean, I got into Princeton, I worked hard. But if our child gets into this preschool, he or she IS going."

Porsafillo Pre is the express lane, the couple says, a one-way ticket to success.

From Tauschen's blood test, scientists will isolate her unborn baby's genetic makeup then pass their findings to the admissions office at Porsafillo. The school has an exclusive agreement with the hospital. Tauschen and Tromper are taken into a room beside the lab, the blood is drawn, and the vial is then escorted immediately into the lab. About a month later, results will be delivered to the school.

Some parents are already planning to take legal action against the school in the event their children are passed over for admission. A recent op-ed in the New York Times called the practice "ghoulish" and "unethical." Headmaster Unsinn dismisses the criticism.

"This is not unethical at all. If anything, it's extremely ethical. This is now no longer a subjective decision," she says. "This is a clinical test that can show us how a child will perform throughout its life."

The Porsafillo Academy will begin to accept applications under their new DNA policy today, April 1.

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poise -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 12:39:20 PM)

I would have no interest in enrolling a child in this school even if a DNA sample wasn't a requirement.
At 3 to 4 years of age, children are still struggling with basic language skills, and while it's great that
these things can be taught, I think it's overkill for this age group.
And what about little Johnny who didn't have good DNA. Will his parents then raise him knowing
he wasn't deemed exceptional, therefore not expecting him to amount to much? Yikes.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 12:50:39 PM)

Yikes is right. And what exactly is the genetic marker for success?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 1:06:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Yikes is right. And what exactly is the genetic marker for success?

It looks a lot like this.............. $$$$$$$$$$$$$




SoulAlloy -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 1:20:20 PM)

It sounds like a load of **** for several reasons...

For languages they say the younger the better as it is picked up a lot quicker, so this would be true...

DNA does not show success or ability. Teaching methods need to be varied so as to account for a wide range of learning types, visual, aural, physical.

Success also depends on the society it's thrown into.

Getting a DNA sample from a baby before it is born also sounds incredibly risky. I know a few years ago it was something like a 1% chance of causing abortion to get a sample for checking for Down's Syndrome.

I suspect there is also a huge equal rights issue that they would fall foul of... rather like the BNP in the UK cannot legally refuse any non-white members despite their policies.

My final thought on why it is **** is the date of the story...




poise -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 1:21:08 PM)

Lol! I know for a fact that I have the genetic markers for success.
It's called being too hard headed to give up. [8D]

Seriously, so many already live their life finding something or someone to blame
for their own misfortunes. Now, they can blame it on scientific facts too.
Weeeeeeeeeeee!




DarkSteven -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 1:22:13 PM)

"Intelligence, confidence, and other leadership traits" can be determined from DNA?!?!?

If the school's so good, why are they cherry picking successful kids to enroll? The success could come without any input from the school, then.




littlewonder -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 2:53:08 PM)

I think the DNA thing is stupid but otherwise I would have loved to have been able to send my daughter to such a school. I think it would have been the best kind of school for her and her personality.




Soyokaze -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 3:19:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

"Intelligence, confidence, and other leadership traits" can be determined from DNA?!?!?

If the school's so good, why are they cherry picking successful kids to enroll? The success could come without any input from the school, then.


They're looking for who's more likely not who definitely has better traits : p They have 11968 students to eliminate... have to do it somehow. Not that I agree with this.

Anyway, I wonder if GINA will be expanded to school applications at some point.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 4:11:01 PM)

The only type I can think of that would subject their kids to this are folks with more money than brains. I would wager that THAT is the main thing they screen for, under the guise of it being to check for good DNA.

I'll take "People are morons" for $100, Alex.




Duskypearls -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 4:26:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Yikes is right. And what exactly is the genetic marker for success?


...or failure, I'd like to know!




kalikshama -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 5:19:34 PM)

I know it's easier to acquire spoken languages when one is young...I wonder if the same is true for computer languages?

I've heard about this NYC preschool admission silliness before.




BeIgnited -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 5:56:33 PM)

quote:

The Porsafillo Academy will begin to accept applications under their new DNA policy today, April 1.



That part makes me think this was an April Fool's prank...

ETA

I did a google search for the preschool and didn't get anything other than references to this article.




Soyokaze -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 6:10:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

I know it's easier to acquire spoken languages when one is young...I wonder if the same is true for computer languages?

I've heard about this NYC preschool admission silliness before.


Probably would mess them up. Us programmer folk tend to be... different.




BBBTBW -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 6:32:17 PM)

What was that movie with Uma Thurman, Jude Law and Ethan Hawke? Gattaca. Its coming to pass.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119177/

(Edited to add link)




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 7:04:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

For years, New York parents have been applying to preschools even before their youngsters are born. That's not new, but the approach one prestigious pre-school on the Upper West Side is.

At the Porsafillo Preschool Academy, all applicants must now submit a DNA analysis of their children.

The preschool is housed in a modern glass and steel building designed by IM Pei. It's situated in a leafy corner of the Upper West Side. On a recent afternoon, Headmaster Rebecca Unsinn showed off "Porsafillo Pre," as it's called.

"Over here, we have computer labs, C++ learning, which of course, as I'm sure you know, is a language of computers," she says. Wait, computer language? These preschoolers are learning C++?

"Oh, absolutely they are," Unsinn says. "And they're very good at it."

That's not the only language they're learning; all the children are also enrolled in a Mandarin Chinese immersion program.

More than 12,000 applications pour into Unsinn's office each fall. That's 12,000 hopefuls for just 32 spots a year. It makes Porsafillo Pre the most competitive preschool in the United States.

So in a bid to weed out the kids who have no chance, the school decided to require a DNA test for all applicants. Before she joined the school in 2009, Unsinn was a child neurologist. She was hired specifically to implement this new policy.

Her team is looking for genetic markers that indicate future excellence — things like intelligence, confidence and other leadership traits.

One expectant couple has gone to great lengths to get their future child a spot at Porsafillo.

At the New Amsterdam Memorial Hospital, Richard Tromper and Elizabeth Tauschen are ready for their test. Elizabeth is 24 weeks pregnant, and the couple is applying for admission to Porsafillo for the fall of 2015.

"I went to Princeton," Tromper says. "I was lucky, I mean, I got into Princeton, I worked hard. But if our child gets into this preschool, he or she IS going."

Porsafillo Pre is the express lane, the couple says, a one-way ticket to success.

From Tauschen's blood test, scientists will isolate her unborn baby's genetic makeup then pass their findings to the admissions office at Porsafillo. The school has an exclusive agreement with the hospital. Tauschen and Tromper are taken into a room beside the lab, the blood is drawn, and the vial is then escorted immediately into the lab. About a month later, results will be delivered to the school.

Some parents are already planning to take legal action against the school in the event their children are passed over for admission. A recent op-ed in the New York Times called the practice "ghoulish" and "unethical." Headmaster Unsinn dismisses the criticism.

"This is not unethical at all. If anything, it's extremely ethical. This is now no longer a subjective decision," she says. "This is a clinical test that can show us how a child will perform throughout its life."

The Porsafillo Academy will begin to accept applications under their new DNA policy today, April 1.

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I totally get it.

This ain't some Hitler kind of thing...it's all about what's been proven.

Do your kids look like you?

Yeah, I bet they do.

This is about what's been proven...DNA (actually) matters....

Musicians tend to create musicians.....math geniuses tend to create math geniuses......etc.

Ain't no big thang.....ya is what ya is....

My son....who I didn't know for 31 years....started writing to me....I asked his Mother for a DNA test....everyone agreed....he was afraid...understandably....some guy who he'd never known just shows up one day....

When I got his (first) emails...it was as if I wrote them....comma's and everything.

He's my son....raised on the wrong side.....and he's beautiful....in every conceivable way.

Never imagined I'd ever be able to say that there was a man on this planet that was the epitome of beauty but....he is....:) He's gorgeous...perfect in every possible way :)

He's my son :)

(And he's gorgeous).




DesFIP -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 7:09:30 PM)

On first glance it appears to be in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 7:11:34 PM)

The gorgeous part is no surprise, JJ!

As for the article? Hogwash. And ~gigglesnort~




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 7:50:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

The gorgeous part is no surprise, JJ!

As for the article? Hogwash. And ~gigglesnort~


I is what I is.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Who would subject their kids to this? (4/4/2012 9:13:57 PM)

I believe you are right. I am going to kill my sister
quote:

ORIGINAL: SoulAlloy

It sounds like a load of **** for several reasons...

For languages they say the younger the better as it is picked up a lot quicker, so this would be true...

DNA does not show success or ability. Teaching methods need to be varied so as to account for a wide range of learning types, visual, aural, physical.

Success also depends on the society it's thrown into.

Getting a DNA sample from a baby before it is born also sounds incredibly risky. I know a few years ago it was something like a 1% chance of causing abortion to get a sample for checking for Down's Syndrome.

I suspect there is also a huge equal rights issue that they would fall foul of... rather like the BNP in the UK cannot legally refuse any non-white members despite their policies.

My final thought on why it is **** is the date of the story...





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