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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/7/2012 2:07:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it's the same old story, the difference between Oprah as a 1%er and the majority of the 1%, the top half of 1% really (it ought to be called the 99 and 1/2%), is that she didn't make her fortune throwing people out on the street and cutting basic services for them so she could make even more money.

Then, of course they bitch about homeless people spoiling the view and driving property values down.

I think it's a disease we inherited from the English: first enclosure, then transportation.

There are plenty of better and more sustainable models than medieval England, if the best the masters of global finance can do is charter us all another cruise on this ship of fools again, I'm forced to consider the distinct possibility that they are not qualified to lead us as a culture, globally or locally.

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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/7/2012 2:16:09 PM   
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And you've convinced yourselves you're the "real" Americans, lol.

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RE: Tent Cities / Is this the American safety net? - 4/7/2012 2:24:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks for the info about the tent city show! very interesting stuff & i love to read the homeless forums.

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RE: Tent Cities / Is this the American safety net? - 4/9/2012 6:35:04 PM   
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I just watched Tent City USA, on the OWN channel.
This documentary follows a group of homeless people in Nashville, TN for about a year.
It starts off showing a growing group of 83 people living under a bridge, that have formed a community.
They protect each other, help each other, and build temporary shelters.
They have rules and regulations, and put new members on probation for 3 days.

I appreciate the honesty of many in this documentary, they ADMIT that drugs, alcohol, and often bad choices and decisions, contributed to their current conditions.

Here is a link to the show, it is certainly captivating.
It shows that many of the homeless, are not stumbling alcoholics or drug addicts, and many just need a helping hand.

OWN documentary-Tent City USA

Stories like this always fascinate me, because many of us are only a few paychecks or a lost job, from this predicament.

There is a great informative and supportive website for the homeless, that those that are interested might want to look at.

homeless forums

Thanks to the internet, many of the homeless are able to connect, share information, resources, news, and provide support for each other.

It is not a secret that many of the Occupy Wall Street protesters are homeless.

This is indeed a social problem, that is near and dear to me, and I plan to become more active in helping the homeless.

Question, are tent cities the new safety net for the homeless?
Should they continue to grow and multiply, and become woven into the fabric of modern society?

Should the government be doing more to help those that are homeless, and want to work, and to contribute to society?
Are we our brother's keeper?
If so, what should we be doing to help the homeless?



The government shouldn't do more, I honestly think much of the money is wasted and feel that the government hurts too many people(Middle Class) in the process when it tries to help the poor, I know its more fashionable to blame the rich or the 1%, but IMO taxes are what's squeezing the middle class and in order to help the poor the government must take money out of the pockets of someone else and that someone else is and will always be the middle class no matter how much you tax the 1% and its kind of silly to think that you can do so.

I'm not saying the poor shouldn't be helped, just the government isn't the most efficent way to do so and charities, family and friends would be better options, except it's a lot harder to help someone in need and it will continue to get harder if the government continues to transfer money from one pocket to another as its main solution.


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RE: Tent Cities / Is this the American safety net? - 4/9/2012 6:37:51 PM   
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RE: Tent Cities / Is this the American safety net? - 4/9/2012 6:39:31 PM   
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charities, family and friends would be better options,


And those "options" have hundreds of years proving they don't work.


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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/9/2012 6:44:40 PM   
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She explained that HFH finances the mortgages at a very low rate making them much more affordable and the opposite of a "sub-prime" or predatory leaning.



Then the profit of those mortgages goes back into lending more money to low income folks.And it`s sustainable and growing.



H4H finances mortgages at 0%, but you have to have a decent credit score. H4H does not make a profit on mortgages. H4H has first right of refusal on any houses that are sold by the initial owner. H4H survives on donations and sales from the ReStore.

Master and I have been heavily involved in H4H for over 10 years now. We like it because it's not a hand out....it's a hand up. Besides, I've learned how to do framing, plumbing, lay tile, install cabinets, and do concrete.


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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/9/2012 7:11:05 PM   
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She explained that HFH finances the mortgages at a very low rate making them much more affordable and the opposite of a "sub-prime" or predatory leaning.



Then the profit of those mortgages goes back into lending more money to low income folks.And it`s sustainable and growing.



H4H finances mortgages at 0%, but you have to have a decent credit score. H4H does not make a profit on mortgages. H4H has first right of refusal on any houses that are sold by the initial owner. H4H survives on donations and sales from the ReStore.

Master and I have been heavily involved in H4H for over 10 years now. We like it because it's not a hand out....it's a hand up. Besides, I've learned how to do framing, plumbing, lay tile, install cabinets, and do concrete.


Thanks O girl.

She explained it to me one day over lunch.

The bottom line is,the methods used work for everyone,including the tax-payer....who (unlike in the fantasies of cons)end up paying for services used.

Yes,one does need a good history.HFH does NOT intend on supporting slacking and sets things up so there`s as little as possible.


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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/9/2012 7:36:47 PM   
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This is nice and built for northern climates.

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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/9/2012 7:49:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: Owner59



She explained that HFH finances the mortgages at a very low rate making them much more affordable and the opposite of a "sub-prime" or predatory leaning.



Then the profit of those mortgages goes back into lending more money to low income folks.And it`s sustainable and growing.



H4H finances mortgages at 0%, but you have to have a decent credit score. H4H does not make a profit on mortgages. H4H has first right of refusal on any houses that are sold by the initial owner. H4H survives on donations and sales from the ReStore.

Master and I have been heavily involved in H4H for over 10 years now. We like it because it's not a hand out....it's a hand up. Besides, I've learned how to do framing, plumbing, lay tile, install cabinets, and do concrete.


Thanks O girl.

She explained it to me one day over lunch.

The bottom line is,the methods used work for everyone,including the tax-payer....who (unlike in the fantasies of cons)end up paying for services used.

Yes,one does need a good history.HFH does NOT intend on supporting slacking and sets things up so there`s as little as possible.



I also left out that with H4H, approved future homeowners have to put in 500 hours of labor with H4H.


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RE: Tent Cities / Is this the American safety net? - 4/9/2012 8:14:21 PM   
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thanks for the info about the tent city show! very interesting stuff & i love to read the homeless forums.


I am glad you enjoyed reading them.
I think it's wonderful the way they are able to network, and help each other.

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RE: Tent Cities / Is this the American safety net? - 4/9/2012 8:31:56 PM   
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charities, family and friends would be better options,


And those "options" have hundreds of years proving they don't work.


GE recently opened up a plant in KY, and 10,000 people applied for 230 jobs.
In times like this, many people will need a safety net.

10,000 people apply for 230 jobs


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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/9/2012 8:36:09 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQkajJA1pgc&feature=related

This is nice and built for northern climates.

you are really on a Yurt binge today, aint ya???

when ya gonna build yours?

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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/9/2012 8:56:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I already built it in my head a few dozen times.

That`s how I built my own house,from scratch.One stick at a time and in my head as fell asleep at night.I did it in about 250 weekends(over 6 years).

I could do a wood yurt in a summer,only working weekends.Make a great guest house(s) or a vacation place.

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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/9/2012 9:07:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love small homes, I hope to be living in one around 1000-1100 feet in the future.
I don't really care for the Yurt though.
I love looking at them, even the teeny tiny ones.
Here are some nice ones to look at.

Best small home plans

.....bats eyes at Owner......

a handy man, is a needed man.


Back to the OP, people aren't going to sit back, and take/accept their situation, as they did during the last depression.
People are going to start occupying everything, before it's over.


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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/9/2012 9:07:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		well,.. I like the wood one much, much better than the tent one and I expect it would get building approval since its more like traditional housing.. In wood it reminds me of eagle nest homes and similar hexagon shaped prefab houses.. just not as fancy.. or as expensive..

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RE: Tent Cities / Are these the new American safety net? - 4/10/2012 8:06:43 AM   
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Oprah Winfrey owns OWN and is worth well over 1 billion. Maybe she should be helping these people ?


You say about "one of America's 50 most generous philanthropists" and "most philanthropic celebrity"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah_Winfrey#Philanthropy

In 1998, Winfrey created the Oprah's Angel Network, a charity that supported charitable projects and provided grants to nonprofit organizations around the world. Oprah's Angel Network raised more than $80,000,000 ($1 million of which was donated by Jon Bon Jovi). Winfrey personally covered all administrative costs associated with the charity, so 100% of all funds raised went to charity programs. The charity stopped accepting donations in May 2010 and was later dissolved.[161][162] Winfrey's show raises money through promotion of her public charity and she personally donates more of her own money to charity than any other performer in America.[163] In 2005 she became the first black person listed by Business Week as one of America's 50 most generous philanthropists, having given an estimated $303 million as of 2007.[163] Winfrey was the 32nd most philanthropic. She has also been repeatedly ranked as the most philanthropic celebrity.[164]

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, Oprah created the Oprah Angel Network Katrina registry which raised more than $11 million for relief efforts. Winfrey personally gave $10 million to the cause.[165] Homes were built in Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama before the one year anniversary of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.[166] Winfrey has also helped 250 African-American men continue or complete their education at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.[167] Winfrey was the recipient of the first Bob Hope Humanitarian Award at the 2002 Emmy Awards for services to television and film.

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