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Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/6/2012 9:24:35 PM   
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Members of the Mormon Church in Maryland are working to overturn the state’s recently passed marriage equality law, according to an email obtained by the Washington Blade.

In the message dated March 29 sent to D.C. and Southern Maryland-area church members, the writer states that a coalition of inter-denominational Maryland churches has joined to place a referendum before voters in November on the marriage law before it goes into effect.

“We need to collect approximately 200,000 signatures by the end of May,” the email states. “We are looking for people to gather signatures within the LDS community.”

Story at the Washington Blade


Our LDS friends want to roll back the clock in Maryland--and elsewhere, I'm sure. The group Protect Marriage, which gave us California's Prop 8, estimates that about half its funding and 80-90 percent of volunteer labor came from Mormons.

One of the organizers, Martha Schaerr, says she's acting on her own, but that her position stems from LDS teachings. She also says, "“I believe the Maryland law extends beyond providing rights to gay couples and actually seeks to silence religious objections to same sex relationships by changing the definition of marriage."

Anyone else find it entertaining that folks from a tradition rooted in polygamy are holding forth on
the definition of marriage"?





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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/6/2012 9:28:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Mormons are terrified of gay marriage, for a very good reason. Back when they settled with the US Government, they agreed to only sanction marriages LEGAL by US LAW.

So, if we have Gay Marriage, that means we get Gay Mormon Marriages.

Instant fucking crazy-religious-nut freak-out.

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/6/2012 9:30:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meh, if a pair of gay Mormons gets married, the church could always excommunicate them.

I don't think they're afraid of Gay Mormons marrying nearly as much as they're into the typical Fundie desire to make everyone believe and act exactly as they do whether they want to or not.

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/6/2012 9:32:12 PM   
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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/6/2012 9:35:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The church could refuse to sanction the marriage. The Catholics won't marry gay couples in the church as far as I know and I daresay the Southern Baptists and Pentecostals won't either. I was referring to a Mormon couple that went before a judge or notary and got married. I'd say the church would excommunicate them. It's just a guess but Im thinking it's a safe one.

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/6/2012 10:59:20 PM   
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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 5:04:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Keep in mind that the Mormons are BOUND BY THEIR SETTLEMENT WITH THE US GOVERNMENT regarding polygamy to honor ONLY LEGAL MARRIAGES by the laws of the Government.

They don't have an option. Just like they gave up polygamy when it was outlawed, they **NEED TO** in order to be compliant with their obligations under the Law recognize LEGAL MARRIAGES.



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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 5:07:55 AM   
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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 5:21:33 AM   
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For the OP, most religions dont do well on the equality meter.
You can be equal under their law or fuck off!

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 7:08:55 AM   
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What does Harry Reid think?


There's some light on Reid's thinking here. I can't tell who put the site together, though.

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/Senate/Nevada/Harry_Reid/Views/Gay_Marriage/

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 7:26:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Many more traditional churches oppose gay marriage so there should be no surprise. The LDS church is not obligated under and law or treaty to recognize homosexual marriage. You would think to simply avoid being the but of jokes, the LDS would keep quite about marriage issues.

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 7:34:42 AM   
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You would think to simply avoid being the but of jokes, the LDS would keep quite about marriage issues.

That's not what Fundies do. Fundies feel that they literally have a God-Given Right to dictate how everyone else lives their life.

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 7:40:38 AM   
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You would think to simply avoid being the but of jokes, the LDS would keep quite about marriage issues.

That's not what Fundies do. Fundies feel that they literally have a God-Given Right to dictate how everyone else lives their life.


Indeed.

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 7:43:59 AM   
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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 7:46:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		If gay marriage was legal, what's next? Polygamy???
Actually, as ironic as that sounds, that is one reason that the LDS church does have a problem/fear of gay marriage. Imagine if your church made a change in fundamental doctrine at the point of a sword (er, barrel of a gun?) and then a few years later, the same nation that forced you to renounce your doctrine changed their minds. Meanwhile there are a lot of really batshit people who have been claiming to be the "true church," because they never renounced the fundamental doctrine. If polygamy becomes legal, would the church elders immediately restore it? After years of fighting to suppress it? If the church did not, would a lot of Mormons look at the original writings, and join a church that allowed it? You see their problem...

Unrelated, there was an interesting article by Nate at 538 about gay marriage and demographics. Fundamentally he was pointing out that senior citizens oppose gay marriage about 80-20, and generation Y supports it about 80-20, so every year, as old voters die and are replaced by Gen Y voters, the position of the average voter shifts significantly. It is different from state to state, but already in a double handful of liberal states gay marriage has 50% support, and every year more states will be added. Utah and KY I think are the last, expected to support gay marriage in 2028 or so.
Point of all this being that these folks are fighting a rear-guard action. They are not really going to prevent the change, just delay it. Not sure what to take from that realization, but it is there anyway.

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm in favor of gay marriage, polygamy, polyandry, polyamory, and anything else that safe, sane adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms/kitchens/bathrooms/living rooms/garages/basements.

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 8:08:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mormons are against gay marriage because of their views on the traditional family. They have a belief that the purpose of marriage is to have as many children as possible in order to bring to earth the souls who are waiting for a physical body. Jesus can't return to earth until all those souls have had their chance, and there are a hell of a lot of them. So, a marriage that doesn't include procreation is against god's plan. It is truly a bizarre religion, hard to believe anyone could believe this shit

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 10:10:34 AM   
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Many more traditional churches oppose gay marriage so there should be no surprise. The LDS church is not obligated under and law or treaty to recognize homosexual marriage. You would think to simply avoid being the but of jokes, the LDS would keep quite about marriage issues.


WILFORD WOODRUFF President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.


When the law of the land doesn't forbid gay marriage, what's the LDS Church's position going to be?

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 10:22:52 AM   
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Many more traditional churches oppose gay marriage so there should be no surprise. The LDS church is not obligated under and law or treaty to recognize homosexual marriage. You would think to simply avoid being the but of jokes, the LDS would keep quite about marriage issues.


WILFORD WOODRUFF President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.


When the law of the land doesn't forbid gay marriage, what's the LDS Church's position going to be?


I think you are missing an important distinction:
I believe that the LDS has agreed not to support any marriage that is not legal. I don't believe that means they HAVE to support a marriage that is legal. If I agree not to use illegal drugs, have I agreed to use legal drugs? I routinely skip taking painkillers unless my doc has told me it serves some other purpose, have I violated a law? Have I abused my Doctor's trust?

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 10:33:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		But that's not what he says. He says, "Don't do it if it's not legal". I mean, it's not MY fight. But there's a lot of gay mormons whose fight it is, and I suspect it might get to be quite a public debate.

And it explains why they're spending so much money to fight it. They've got a dog in the fight.

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RE: Mormons Working to Overturn Md. Marriage Equality - 4/7/2012 11:40:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PatrickG38

Many more traditional churches oppose gay marriage so there should be no surprise. The LDS church is not obligated under and law or treaty to recognize homosexual marriage. You would think to simply avoid being the but of jokes, the LDS would keep quite about marriage issues.


WILFORD WOODRUFF President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.


When the law of the land doesn't forbid gay marriage, what's the LDS Church's position going to be?


I think you are missing an important distinction:
I believe that the LDS has agreed not to support any marriage that is not legal. I don't believe that means they HAVE to support a marriage that is legal. If I agree not to use illegal drugs, have I agreed to use legal drugs? I routinely skip taking painkillers unless my doc has told me it serves some other purpose, have I violated a law? Have I abused my Doctor's trust?


Correct. To say no illegal marriages is not to say all legal marriages.

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