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xssve -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 1:29:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Truthness


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
. It's to keep women barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen where these Neanderthals think they belong.


So you're claiming almost 50% of women are Neanderthals who want women pregnant and in the kitchen?

No, I think he's claiming 50% of women already have no choice but to be barefoot and pregnant.

And if 50% like that, it's no skin off my nose, but even if it were 99% that 99% has no right to dictate what happens in the other 1% of privately owned and operated uterus.

That's communism man.



Real0ne -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 1:30:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xssve

I keep saying it only makes sense as necessary to a human trafficking/extortion racket.

It's a pattern in large civilizations: encourage the masses to reproduce beyond their financial means, thereby impoverishing them, then criminalizing poverty.

It ensures a steady supply of cheap, perpetually indebted, and/or forced labor.



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bingo! well said!


and again!

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ORIGINAL: xssve

And if 50% like that, it's no skin off my nose, but even if it were 99% that 99% has no right to dictate what happens in the other 1% of privately owned and operated uterus.

That's communism man.




Truthness -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 1:33:52 PM)

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that 99% has no right to dictate what happens in the other 1% of privately owned and operated uterus.




The location (the uterus in this case) is not the issue; the loss of life is.

If the location somehow granted immunity to scrutiny, then it would be perfectly fine to, say, smuggle heroin as long as she uses that location to do it.

(And I can't wait to see just how badly that statement is gonna be spun to claim things it never intended).



Real0ne -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 1:37:43 PM)

WHO is the injured party that is going to press charges?

The STATE?

loss of POTENTIAL slave labor?

its jurisdictional not geographical.






tazzygirl -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 1:49:18 PM)

There are many "medicinal herbal" abortion remedies.



Moonhead -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 1:52:19 PM)

Do any of them work?



xssve -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 1:57:15 PM)

The location is everything, since it's part of another persons body.

I think I'll move in between your old ladies legs, and you two can take care of me the rest of my life, it's your sacred duty, I'm life too.



xssve -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:02:28 PM)

I wonder if every woman insisted on only anal, oral, masturbation, or same sex if they didn't want to get knocked up, if that would satisfy everybody?

I don't see how anybody could argue with that, it's fair enough.

It would certainly alter the nature of the debate pretty quick.



Moonhead -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:10:12 PM)

That would imply that women are getting to make the decisions, though.
The whole problem here is surely that they aren't being allowed to do anything of the sort, so I can't see your solution working all that well, really...



xssve -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:16:22 PM)

Works for me. [:D]



xssve -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:22:31 PM)

As an alternative we could require every pregnant woman to provide a sperm sample from the father for DNA confirmation and send him the bill.



SoftBonds -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:34:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Truthness

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ORIGINAL: xssve


that 99% has no right to dictate what happens in the other 1% of privately owned and operated uterus.




The location (the uterus in this case) is not the issue; the loss of life is.

If the location somehow granted immunity to scrutiny, then it would be perfectly fine to, say, smuggle heroin as long as she uses that location to do it.

(And I can't wait to see just how badly that statement is gonna be spun to claim things it never intended).


OK Truthy, here is the deal. You can force a woman to use her body for your ends (keeping the baby), but you are going to have to pay for it. Her medical bills, her food, shelter, the special clothing she has to buy, all of it. The pro-life folks will pay for all the babies that women don't want to have, but are forced to by the state. After all, doesn't the 5th amendment to the constitution say:
"nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation."

You see, if a state doesn't allow a woman to get an abortion, the state has taken her womb for public use, and she has the right to sue the state for the value of that property!

Edit: unless the right want to claim that a woman's body doesn't belong to her???



Moonhead -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:42:10 PM)

Isn't claiming that a woman's body doesn't belong to her the default stance of most pro lifers>?



tazzygirl -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:42:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Do any of them work?


Actually yes.



tazzygirl -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:44:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Isn't claiming that a woman's body doesn't belong to her the default stance of most pro lifers>?


Ok, I gotta tell ya.. this all gives me the giggles.

A group of Conversatives who were so fiscally irresponsible with the US purse strings are demanding woman take "responsibility" for their sexual choices and carry a fetus to term.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in that?



xssve -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:50:15 PM)

Clear cut case of takings.



Truthness -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 2:51:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Isn't claiming that a woman's body doesn't belong to her the default stance of most pro lifers>?


Ok, I gotta tell ya.. this all gives me the giggles.

A group of Conversatives who were so fiscally irresponsible with the US purse strings are demanding woman take "responsibility" for their sexual choices and carry a fetus to term.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in that?



Yep, I do. I wish politicians in general were even half as responsible as they claim others should be.



tazzygirl -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 3:11:54 PM)

That is definitely something we can agree upon.



SoftBonds -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 3:32:32 PM)

Funny how as soon as I show that the constitution means any woman forced not to have an abortion can sue the state for the cost of her body, the desire to make abortion illegal is no longer worth discussing? Do the pro-lifers not want to pay higher taxes to pay women for their wombs?



tazzygirl -> RE: Personhood Amendment vs Contraception (4/8/2012 3:36:57 PM)

I personally liked your aspirin solution.



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