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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 10:23:27 PM   
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Here is an anomaly for me. I was attracted/craved BDSM long before I ever actually experienced it. In some ways (and those questions are a little scary) I would say addicted, but can you be addicted to something at 13 without ever even doing it?


Hah, yeah, that is rather the difference isn't it? In an addiction, you do the drug and then you get addicted and crave it, but with this stuff the craving is (often) already there, and doing is just confirmation and fulfillment.

I know I've always been mostly aroused by helplessness and power dynamics, even before I was sexually active. Ordinary romantic vanilla sex for me is... nice, intimate, but usually not a whole whole lot more pleasurable than kissing. I don't think that's normal? But it was always that way for me.


Both of you guys raise really good points. I think most of us agree (as does vanilla mainstream science) that we're born a certain way, and our sexual orientation is ingrained in us. The environment shares a lot of sway, and can make us go away from our true self, or hide our true selves from ourselves.

To me, that's different than saying it is or isn’t an addiction. Some other person smarter and more industrious than me posted the signs of addiction. Sure, sex (bdsm or not) can be an addiction, but it's not an addiction because we think about it a lot. I've heard most men think about sex every few seconds. *barks like a dog cus I know it's twue*


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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/11/2012 12:20:42 AM   
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No, BDSM is not addictive.

Neither is alcohol, meth, sex, sugar, TV,


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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/11/2012 1:18:35 AM   
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It is only addictive if you do it right.




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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/11/2012 1:37:28 AM   
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All things that are related to chemical release of endorphins in the brain have the potential to be addictive.

Lately, I have been calling Myself 'endorphin blessed'.  I enjoy top space a great deal and can  that get there in ways that a lot of people can't.  And, you know, it's great.....  When I want it.

The thing is.... I don't need it.  I could walk away and be just fine.  Not everybody can do that.  You have to ask yourself if you can and be honest with the answer.


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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/11/2012 7:25:26 PM   
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I've read the term 'sub frenzy' a few times on this forum, and did a little google search to find out more. Yep. I've experienced that! During my investigations, I came across the following:

"I should also mention that the experiences within the relationship are in many ways addictive. The state of natural euphoria that a submissive may experience during a scene can set off a hunger to experience that again. This is identical to the introduction of any addictive drug chemistries into the body, the same symptomology in many ways" (http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Lets-Discuss-Dominance-And-Submission/1906212)

Is BDSM really addictive in the same way as drugs can be? Is BDSM 'addiction' a bad thing? Could you live without BDSM if it were outlawed tomorrow? I'll be honest, I'm pretty sure I would be going underground rather than giving it up...



Well (and this could just be me), I've found the same thing happens when I take one of my cats and rub it, against the grain (hair flow) on my chest.

Now please note, this is without Vaseline (like I'd do that sick fucking shit...and whoever thought that....well...you're a gawdamn sick son of a bitch fuck), but I have used Vaporub, and with my health problems, and the fact that I drive a mini van, they've gotten used to that smell.

So, with that said....so long as I have my cats (and Vaporub).....I could probably get by.

Now, I can't speak for everyone but....that works for me.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/12/2012 10:38:32 PM   
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Is BDSM really addictive in the same way as drugs can be?



Yes. In exactly the same way that sex, love, and acceptance are addictive. I would venture to say that few drugs are as tenacious or as subtly yet profoundly destructive to one's life as these addictions are. On the other hand, not destroying one's life in this way is pretty damn boring.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/13/2012 12:00:33 AM   
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Nope, sex is not addictive. If it was, we wouldn't be here.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/28/2012 1:42:23 AM   
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Definately think that the rush it gives is very addictive, probably the helplessness aspects are the most addictive part of all mentally.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/28/2012 4:28:48 AM   
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I believe a newbie after discovering playing and experiencing new things has a better chance of being addicted (see sub frenzie) then a more experienced person. Maybe the "kid in a candy store" syndrome. And from what I have noticed in the past, that goes away so, from my experience , I see it as a positive addiction ( one that doesn't require rehab )

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/28/2012 5:46:37 AM   
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Yep, I think it can be.

Also, a lot of stuff we do is technically 'illegal' already.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/29/2012 1:27:44 AM   
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Considering discreet power is scientifically proven to be as addictive as cocaine
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9228257/Like-baboons-our-elected-leaders-are-literally-addicted-to-power.html

Then vulgar displays of sado-sexual power might be slightly worse.

And don't forget the sub-space-junkies

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/29/2012 4:14:56 PM   
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From http://yourbrainonporn.com/your-brain-on-porn-series and http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/definition-of-addiction.htm

Answer yes or no to the following seven questions.

1. Tolerance. Has your use increased over time?

2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal?

3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like?

4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?

5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?

6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?

7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.(1)



Jesus... Reading this list, I'd believe that Im seriously addicted to my current dom. I answered yes to almost everything. But Im also currently super in love. Is being in love a kind of addiction?
Also how do I beat it, cos its getting ridiculous. I can sometimes literally not concentrate on anything x_x And even though he doesnt mind, I do, cos Id like to at least be a bit in control of my emotions. And stop missing him so damn much >_< Aaa! What the hell is wrong with me.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 5/1/2012 1:22:18 AM   
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...'sub frenzy'...addictive. The state of natural euphoria that a submissive may experience during a scene can set off a hunger to experience that again.



My definition of "sub frenzy" has nothing to do with any "addiction" to any sort of "natural euphoria" resulting from the power dynamic -- rather, it pertains to inexperienced s-types (subs/slaves) seeking to gain experience/exposure to BDSM, and making DUMB decisions while in pursuit of said desire to gain experience/exposure.  In short, they toss COMMON SENSE out the window in order to FINALLY experience something they've fantasized about for many years -- and more often than not, pay a price for thinking with their bits instead of their brains.


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Is BDSM really addictive in the same way as drugs can be?



Anything can be "addictive"... it depends on the individual.



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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 5/1/2012 3:15:23 AM   
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Anything can be "addictive"... it depends on the individual.
No, it doesn't. It depends upon the conditioning methodology. Operant conditioning produces addictive behaviour in practically anyone, especially if it's linked to pleasure.


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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 6/14/2012 1:53:22 PM   
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YES!

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 6/14/2012 4:21:42 PM   
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If we gonna' necro this I'll finally answer that quiz. I guess I am a BDSM wimp, not addicted.
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.............. Answer yes or no to the following seven questions.

1. Tolerance. Has your use increased over time?
Nope, been full throttle from the beginning.

2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal?
Yup. I miss the intimate bond leather provides. I also miss having good orgasms very much.

3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like?
Nope - 24/7 TPE lifestyle is just the right amount of time.

4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
Nope - everyone is my business, family and personal life is BDSM and poly friendly.

5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
Nope - not for BDSM alone. Now sex is another thing. Sometimes a weekend retreat gets stretched out to Tuesday. However, I own the company and don't plan on firing myself for taking an extra day of pleasure now and then.

6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
Nope - no undue concealing, planning, or recovering from. Now financially, that is another matter. I have driven a used car while I had enough invested in gear to buy a brand new car.

7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?
Nope - the only cutting I want to do involves sharp knives and pretty girls with big boobs.

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.(1)




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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 6/16/2012 5:14:24 AM   
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Interesting Paper Published about this talk

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26957524/BDSM-Psychobiology

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