LookieNoNookie
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If former President Ronald Reagan is considered by the conservatives masses to be the 'avatar' of conservative policy. And they consider President Barack Obama to be anti-conservative (that is to say, onyone left of far-right is a socialist). Then how do both US Presidents seek the same thing? Either the conservatives are not 'old school conservative' as they make themselves out to be, or Ronald Reagan was a liberal, commie, facist, socialist in disguise?
This is an argument couched in a perceived question/post.
Here's the facts:
Reagan tripled the national debt.
Obama has done similarly.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Really? When Mr. Obama took office, the US Debt was clocked in at $11.5 Trillion dollars. For your arguement to be correct, that would imply the President has spent more money than the US Goverment spends (assuming 2010 budget) in a decade (within three years)? That is just out right laughable! Now former President George W. Bush, whom was elected by so mnay wonderful 'fiscal conservatives', managed to turn a US Debt that was less than $2 Trillion and declining in 2000 into a whopping $11.5 Trillion and steadily climbing in eight years flat. And that wasnt because the economy was tanking....
Of course, you are also leaving out many important factors to which our President has had to deal with in your arguement. And that simply shows how little of factual information matters to your pathetically shortsighted arguement.
Well, actually, it wasn't "declining" (history is written for those who read....you should probably try something akin to that)...it was actually growing slower.
And I suspect you're likely referring to the budget deficit, more specifically, debt "prior to 2000" (i.e., when Clinton was in office and therefore, leaving...before Bush II arrived). Simply put, the debt (not the deficit) grew every year that Clinton was in office.
The "deficit" fell during Clinton's years in office, but that negates all the SSI stealing that went on "off budget" (under EVERY President since Lyndon Johnson).
And by the way, not sure how old you are...I'll assume you're under 40, since you're clearly not cognizant of the facts. Clinton took office in 1992, just shortly after Bush I lost the election, largely because he defaulted on his "NO NEW TAXES....READ MY LIPS" and then proceeded to push through the (then) largest tax increase in the history of the United States.
This followed the unprecedented upheaval of productivity predicated on the fact that (finally) people actually started learning how to use this (fairly new) device called the "personal computer".
It was during this time (Clinton's reign) that the general populace had decided there was much more to be done with computers than play "asteroids". Indeed, during his Presidency, barely a few years in, most businesses had discovered excel, databases and a variety of other useful computer programs...and....there was a sudden burst of what's called "productivity".
We, as a populace, were able to do vastly more (with vastly less) than we had ever before in the history of mankind been able to do heretofore.
And productivity exploded.
Unbelievably so.
Combined with an unprecedented explosion of new (federal) revenues (thanks to Bush I) and the productivity that was unleashed based on events that began occurring circa 1987 or so....deficits dropped to the point where we had "surpluses".
Please don't confuse that with debt reduction.
It is by no means related to same.
Now, President Bush did indeed add to the "debt" by several trillion in his 8 years in office, and that was, at best, described as horrifying. And I would certainly not argue that it was any small amount, Mr. Obama on the other hand (and frankly, rightfully so....to protect all of us from falling into the financial abyss) has added to that same debt by multiple trillions.....each year.
You would be well advised to read history.
You're correct....my statement (previously) alluded to the fact that Mr. Obama has added to the debt by a "like" amount as did Reagan.
True....Obama has not tripled our debt (yet). But he's about to...and in the interim, he's added more debt to this country than EVERY President since Lincoln.
Again, I encourage you to read.
It's a wonderful asset and fills you full of facts....enough such that you don't end up tripping over your uneducated tongue.
< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 4/12/2012 6:39:45 PM >
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