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A safer world with or without guns?

safer with no guns at all

32% (16)

safer with everyone having a gun

42% (21)

keep the status quo

26% (13)

Total Votes : 50

(last vote on : 10/8/2012 5:19:29 PM)
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Musicmystery -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/14/2012 5:59:07 AM)
ON the other hand, Costa Rica hasn't had an army since 1948, crime is rare, and unlike its neighbors, has been at peace ever since. They money they used to blow on military now goes to security, education, and culture. Heathens.

tj444 -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/14/2012 6:04:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ON the other hand, Costa Rica hasn't had an army since 1948, crime is rare, and unlike its neighbors, has been at peace ever since. They money they used to blow on military now goes to security, education, and culture. Heathens. but omg!.. have you looked at real estate prices there lately?? [sm=hissyfit.gif] I might just have to cross it off my list of places to possibly move too.. [&o]

hardcybermaster -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/14/2012 7:14:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake quote: I never ever felt in the slightest danger in Switzerland, they are the most boring and anal people I have ever encountered. And they are all armed. At a much higher level of firepower than in the United States. Sufficiently well to hold off a modern mechanized army. How do you explain this? I hate to ask, but I noticed that you didn't. Did you? ETA : And don't call me mate. tj managed to read properly, you noticed incorrectly or not at all. The Swiss attitude to guns is totally at odds with the US, hence they don't go around shooting anything vaguely threatening. They behave like educated adults pal

Musicmystery -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/14/2012 7:29:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery ON the other hand, Costa Rica hasn't had an army since 1948, crime is rare, and unlike its neighbors, has been at peace ever since. They money they used to blow on military now goes to security, education, and culture. Heathens. but omg!.. have you looked at real estate prices there lately?? [sm=hissyfit.gif] I might just have to cross it off my list of places to possibly move too.. [&o] The cost of living is low in Costa Rica compared to the U.S. or Canada. Housing is also low, though if you want a house on a crowded beach, that costs, just as in the U.S. and Canada: In Costa Rica you can build, buy or rent a home, condo, apartment, etc. on or near the beach, in the Central Valley near San José, or in the mountains or highlands. You can choose to live with Ticos (Costa Ricans) or in areas that are more heavily populated with expatriates from the USA, Canada and many other countries. You can choose to live in gated, 'secure' communities, or on a normal street setting. What's the difference? A LOT, and only part of it has to do with the cost. So much has to do with the lifestyle YOU wish to lead, and just as important, what you NEED to live in a certain location. For example, the further away you get from San José, the lower the cost of housing (unless you live at the beach or course).. If you are willing to live 75km (50 miles) from San Jose, you can rent or buy at very attractive prices. How much? Maybe as little as $400.00 per month to rent a small-medium house! Maybe $75,000 to buy a small Tico style home. Property is likewise much less expensive. http://www.therealcostarica.com/living_in_costa_rica/cost_of_living_costarica.html#house But then, that's the not subject here, is it. Without a military, Costa Rica is safer.

tj444 -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/14/2012 8:06:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery But then, that's the not subject here, is it. Without a military, Costa Rica is safer. Yes, of course it depends on what you want to buy and where its located.. just some of the prices surprised me.. ..ok maybe I am watching a little too much hgtv/House Hunters International.. [:D] Its not the direct subject although the heading is about a safer world.. Ideally, I would like to live someplace where people dont feel they have to carry weapons to feel safe.. which means a city/country where there is a different culture and attitude.. and I definately cant afford Switzerland!

FrostedFlake -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/14/2012 10:07:16 PM)
Noting the difference is not explaining it. The reason for the difference is, The Swiss look out for one another. In the U.S. we throw everyone in a pit and call the survivors the good guys. The feeling of wood on your back is what causes the violence. Desperation and injustice. Not the presence of weapons.

tj444 -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/14/2012 11:53:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake Noting the difference is not explaining it. The reason for the difference is, The Swiss look out for one another. In the U.S. we throw everyone in a pit and call the survivors the good guys. The feeling of wood on your back is what causes the violence. Desperation and injustice. Not the presence of weapons. yeah, what we already said, very difference cultures.. [;)]

LookieNoNookie -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 12:11:51 AM)
As far as I can tell, that's 71% that want guns.

ResidentSadist -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 12:45:29 AM)
71% want guns.... hell, I want an MK 19. My friend just back from training and qualified marksman. He can have any weapon system he wants. He was telling me about the MK 19 and how it is used to eliminate snipers. Apparently they just level the whole building.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 1:26:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist 71% want guns.... hell, I want an MK 19. My friend just back from training and qualified marksman. He can have any weapon system he wants. He was telling me about the MK 19 and how it is used to eliminate snipers. Apparently they just level the whole building. Pssssssst.....(I'm gonna tell you a secret only a few people know; If you want a gun....any kind of gun....you can have it.....)

FrostedFlake -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 2:30:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake Noting the difference is not explaining it. The reason for the difference is, The Swiss look out for one another. In the U.S. we throw everyone in a pit and call the survivors the good guys. The feeling of wood on your back is what causes the violence. Desperation and injustice. Not the presence of weapons. yeah, what we already said, very difference cultures.. [;)] Yes, culture, not weapons, but, if it's the weapons that scare Hardy, why are Swiss weapons so reassuring? Is it the culture, or is it the weapons? Frankly, I can get a note from any police station in the world that says, "No criminal record." So, it would seem my weapons scare Hardy no more than the Swiss weapons, but to make Hardy happy, I am supposed to turn them over to the police. Because I live here. If I lived in Switzerland though.... and it continues in this vein forever, Because Hardy is only here to, well don't take my word for it. here is a link to his profile. http://www.collarme.com/hardcybermaster quote: just here to annoy cliques and question cliches,feel free to ignore me

tj444 -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 5:45:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake Yes, culture, not weapons, but, if it's the weapons that scare Hardy, why are Swiss weapons so reassuring? Is it the culture, or is it the weapons? Frankly, I can get a note from any police station in the world that says, "No criminal record." So, it would seem my weapons scare Hardy no more than the Swiss weapons, but to make Hardy happy, I am supposed to turn them over to the police. Because I live here. If I lived in Switzerland though.... and it continues in this vein forever, Because Hardy is only here to, well don't take my word for it. here is a link to his profile. http://www.collarme.com/hardcybermaster quote: just here to annoy cliques and question cliches,feel free to ignore me I cant speak for him but imo.. different cultures >> different stats on deaths by gunshot, etc (see stats he cited previously) & as he previously stated.. "The Swiss attitude to guns* is totally at odds with the US, hence they don't go around shooting anything vaguely threatening. They behave like educated adults pal "* I dont see why this is such a hard concept to understand.. but as you pointed out.. feel free to ignore him.. [:D]

hardcybermaster -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 6:29:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie As far as I can tell, that's 71% that want guns. it's 69% as I write who want the same or more guns alternatively 63% want the same or none, not a vast difference. I am quite surprised how even the vote is actually, I expected a higher pro gun %

Hillwilliam -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 6:31:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie As far as I can tell, that's 71% that want guns. it's 69% as I write who want the same or more guns alternatively 63% want the same or none, not a vast difference. I am quite surprised how even the vote is actually, I expected a higher pro gun % Nice attempt at spin. The same is a hell of a lot farther from none than from more. Do you think people are THAT unintelligent that they would buy it?

hardcybermaster -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 6:40:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie As far as I can tell, that's 71% that want guns. it's 69% as I write who want the same or more guns alternatively 63% want the same or none, not a vast difference. I am quite surprised how even the vote is actually, I expected a higher pro gun % Nice attempt at spin. The same is a hell of a lot farther from none than from more. Do you think people are THAT unintelligent that they would buy it? it is a nice spin attempt but I don't really think we can draw much from the poll, as I said it's closer than I thought. I think most statititions would struggle to get anything meaningful from10 votes for none and 12 for all and 11 for some

hardcybermaster -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 6:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: FrostedFlake Noting the difference is not explaining it. The reason for the difference is, The Swiss look out for one another. In the U.S. we throw everyone in a pit and call the survivors the good guys. The feeling of wood on your back is what causes the violence. Desperation and injustice. Not the presence of weapons. yeah, what we already said, very difference cultures.. [;)] Yes, culture, not weapons, but, if it's the weapons that scare Hardy, why are Swiss weapons so reassuring? Is it the culture, or is it the weapons? Frankly, I can get a note from any police station in the world that says, "No criminal record." So, it would seem my weapons scare Hardy no more than the Swiss weapons, but to make Hardy happy, I am supposed to turn them over to the police. Because I live here. If I lived in Switzerland though.... and it continues in this vein forever, Because Hardy is only here to, well don't take my word for it. here is a link to his profile. http://www.collarme.com/hardcybermaster quote: just here to annoy cliques and question cliches,feel free to ignore me you love my profile don't you? That's not the first time you have tried to beat me with it. Questioning cliches. Is it not a bit of a cliche that Americans have to be an armed militia to stop the government from running all over you? Cliche that America is still a frontier country with wild west ideals and cowboys riding around shooting shit. More pertinantly the cliche that you are a victim if you don't carry a gun as oside has stated many times. To me a lot of people who carry are the victims, not me. They are the victims of the propaganda and fear mongering that comes from the pro gun lobby. The victim mentality,home invasion, the when seconds count cliches.Excluding the threat from bears etc,living in fear for your life is the only reason to own a gun. If I lived in a place where there was a genuine threat to my life I'd fucking move because I do not want to be put in a position where I have to kill another human being to stop myself being killed. I will also never countenance the shooting of another human being for stealing a laptop or a phone

lovmuffin -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/15/2012 11:51:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP In Switzerland, every male citizen of age within certain guidelines must own a gun and have it checked by the police yearly to see if it's in working order. However, these are not hand guns. They are rifles. So if you're out walking the dog and carrying it, you will be noticed and questioned. You don't go chamois hunting in downtown Geneva. These are not just rifles but select fire rifles (machine guns).

hardcybermaster -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/17/2012 5:25:14 AM)
article in the guardian today........... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/16/americas-deadly-devotion-guns

LookieNoNookie -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/17/2012 9:52:25 PM)
Wasn't given the polling option. With.

another1harder -> RE: A safer world with or without guns? (4/18/2012 11:20:33 PM)
Coyotes, foxes, eurasian doves, and mountain lions have been declared predatory animals and hence designated open season year round. Coyotes, foxes and mountain lions will kill pets and small children. Eurasian doves are larger and more aggressive than the smaller American doves. Eurasian doves are as big as a pigeon and have a ring around their neck. I'm a hunter so I have several guns. Although I prefer a compound bow. Any gun purchase will initiate a personal FBI database check looking for criminal offenses and domestic violence cases. To get a hunters license, your state and local governments are notified. Looking for things like delinquent child support and more thoroughly scrutinized domestic violence cases. Concealed carry permits go further checking for DUIs, and any history of alcohol and drug problems. My spouse and I have built some unforgettable memories while hunting. Mostly by being in nature.

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